Las Vegas shooting – many dead and injured

The death toll from shooting at a concert in Las Vegas is now 58, with hundreds injured. It is reported that a single gunman using at least 10 weapons fired on the crowd from the 32nd floor of a resort.

Motive for the killing appears to be unknown at this stage.

Fox News: Las Vegas shooting: At least 58 dead in massacre Trump calls ‘act of pure evil’

A gunman turned a Las Vegas concert into a killing field Sunday night from his perch on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, using at least 10 guns to rain down a steady stream of fire, murdering at least 58 people and injuring more than 500 others in the deadliest mass shooting in modern United States history.

The gunman, who fired down on the Route 91 Harvest Festival from a room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound just as police made entry to the room, according to LVMPD undersheriff Kevin McMahill.

The suspect was identified as 64-year-old Stephen Paddock, a resident of Mesquite, Nevada. Federal law enforcement sources told Fox News that Paddock “was known to local authorities” in Vegas.
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Alleged killer, retired accountant Stephen Paddock

Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said an “excess of 10 rifles” were found in the room, but did not immediately reveal a motive. Paddock had been in the hotel room since September 28, according to Lombardo.

A horrible act in a country awash with firearms.

The question inevitably asked is whether there are wider terrorist links.

At this time, federal officials do not see any connection to international terrorism and little is known about Paddock’s motivation, sources said. The Islamic State terror group took credit for the Las Vegas shooting, saying the gunman converted to Islam months ago, but provided no evidence back up the claim.

FBI Special agent-in-charge Aaron Rouse said at a news conference the agency has “determined to this point no connection with an international terrorist group.”

This is by far the worst massacre in the US for some time, but here are statistics for the year to date from the Gun Violence Archive:

Gun violence  and crime incidents are collected/validated from 2,500 sources daily – incidents and their source data are found at the gunviolencearchive.org website.

1: Actual number of deaths and injuries
2: Number of INCIDENTS reported and verified

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  1. Gezza

     /  3rd October 2017

    What can you say? He just fired off clip after clip. God knows what his problem was!
    All anyone can do now is wait & see what they can find out.

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  2. Joe Bloggs

     /  3rd October 2017

    In Nevada, like in most states, it’s legal to openly carry long guns, like rifles and shotguns. No permit is required for this sort of display. That means people can walk down the Las Vegas Strip with a military-style rifle slung over their shoulder.

    It’s also legal in Nevada to own a fully automatic firearm, such as a machine gun, though federal regulations require owners to pay a fee and submit to a federal background check and fingerprinting. Some states have laws specifically restricting machine guns, but most don’t.

    And Nevada makes no distinction between long guns and machine guns, so it’s legal to openly carry machine guns.

    With lax gun laws like these, and incidents like this, the argument for tighter gun control becomes more compelling every day.

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    • Gezza

       /  3rd October 2017

      Not going to happen with the fountry being run by a full-on moron who brassed on up to an NRA convention after the election to thank them for their support, wave his paw around, smirk, & tell them “We saved the Second Amendment!”

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    • Corky

       /  3rd October 2017

      Machine guns are illegal to own in America, Bloggs

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      • David

         /  3rd October 2017

        They can be owned, but are highly restricted, not too far off what is required to own one here in NZ.

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      • Joe Bloggs

         /  3rd October 2017

        Wrong. Fake claim.

        Under the NFA, it’s illegal for any private civilian to own any fully automatic weapons manufactured after May 19, 1986.

        But civilians can own machine guns manufactured prior to 1986 – regulated to be sure: sold only by a FFL/SOT and registered with the ATF – but not illegal

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  3rd October 2017

          I see South African police have been ordered to destroy all confiscated guns asap. This is to stop their profitable racket of selling them back to the gangsters. Maybe the same happens in the US.

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        • Conspiratoor

           /  3rd October 2017

          Shooter probably used an attachable crank to simulate automatic fire …40 George Washington’s in a pawn shop

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      • Chuck Bird

         /  3rd October 2017

        Collectors can own machine guns in NZ.

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    • David

       /  3rd October 2017

      “Some states have laws specifically restricting machine guns, but most don’t.”

      Automatic weapons are restricted at the federal level. They can only be owned on a tightly restricted basis, regulated by the ATF.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  3rd October 2017

        The fact that x million obeyed the law doesn’t negate the horror of this sort of thing, Corks.

        I don’t believe that people do say that gun owners are crazy wackos, but it’s worrying (to say the least) that crazy wackos can be gun owners.

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  3. NOEL

     /  3rd October 2017

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  4. artcroft

     /  3rd October 2017

    Sorry to say, but this is rather ho hum these days. When this first broke only 2 were reported dead “not worth reading about” I thought. Wake up the morning and its fifty-eight and rising, but in a world of mass attacks and knowing this attack won’t change anything, its still not worth getting worked up about. It’ll be bumped off the front pages shortly.

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    • Corky

       /  3rd October 2017

      Arty..you spoke a few truths there regarding rational thought. You have obvously been chewing the cudd.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  3rd October 2017

        Ho-hum is an appallingly callous way to regard it. How many deaths would it take to make you feel any kind of pity and shock ? My grandmother lived with the Troubles but still felt shock to see bits of bodies being raked out of trees and at other times seeing the streets being hosed clean to get rid of the blood and pieces of body too tiny to pick up but still recognisable.

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        • artcroft

           /  3rd October 2017

          But isn’t it ho hum? It’ll lead the news for two days, become a minor follow up during the next three days and seldom heard about again after that. Sure for the families involved its a story of unending grief. But America doesn’t care. Meanwhile I’d guess at least one other person is already well advanced on their plans for another mass shooting like this. That’ll be just another news story as well.

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          • Gezza

             /  3rd October 2017

            The big worry about that in America, if you’re right, is that someone will try to break this bastard’s record.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  4th October 2017

            How do you know that America doesn’t care ? That’s not what I hear from some people there-they hate it that they never know if it’s safe to go to the pictures and other places-these are Americans.

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  5. NOEL

     /  3rd October 2017

    Second amendment

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  6. Corky

     /  3rd October 2017

    Leighton Smith quoted a constitutional lawyer who stated the Second Amendment of the Constitution was there to allow an armed populace to overthrow a tyrannical government.

    That was incredible foresight by the constitutional fathers who knew their country and ways would change over time, but human nature wouldn’t.

    I wonder, if Syrian citizens had be armed, would Bashar al-Assad still be alive?

    Maybe closer to home. Many Americans are calling Trump a fool and madman. What if Trump wasn’t content with Twitter attacks and decided America would become a fascist state, while the world would be subjugated to American military might? Who would stop him?

    Sure, tightened up on gun laws, but keep things in perspective. There are nearly 325 million living in people in America, with nearly 50% of homes owning multiple guns.

    The price of freedom is eternal vigilance and a gun. You only realise that when someone starts taking away the former.

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  7. sorethumb

     /  3rd October 2017

    I’m surprised Grandpa would shoot a lot of people. Grandpa usually looses interest in sex and whatever motivates a shooter should have settled down?
    As far as i can see he was your unfriendly neighbour = personality disorder (everyone is my enemy).

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    • David

       /  3rd October 2017

      Maybe he just hated Country Music?

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      • Gezza

         /  3rd October 2017

        Didn’t sound like Bluegrass?

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  3rd October 2017

          His age is irrelevant. He was only 64, not 94. People don’t change their natures when they turn 60 or have a grandchild.

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          • Gezza

             /  3rd October 2017

            My old man did when they used to look after my 2nd nephew once he was old enough to need to be under constant observation.

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  8. Zedd

     /  3rd October 2017

    I just watched an interview on TV1+1, with USA Ambassador, who said ‘this is not the time to politicise the issue’. ‘SO when is ?’ was the reply !
    As long as the second amendment stands & NRA has the ear of many politicians (Right ?) who likely gives large donations to election campaigns.. nothing will change.
    Here in NZ we have concern about; Youth suicide & road deaths, but this is only a fraction of 12k gun deaths/year in USA !!

    btw; I heard that; ISIL may have claimed responsibility, but could be B-S ?

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    • Gezza

       /  3rd October 2017

      could be B-S
      Wouldn’t rule it out. There’s a lot of it about.

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      • Zedd

         /  3rd October 2017

        the shooter has a short beard.. 😦

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        • Gezza

           /  3rd October 2017

          Probably rules out gender identity issues.

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          • Zedd

             /  3rd October 2017

            @Gezza

            AlJz had a comment (on the news line, bottom screen) said ‘International Terrorism ruled out’.. maybe ISIL are just trying to claim ‘the glory’ of another mass shooting (even if they are NOT really involved ?)

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            • Gezza

               /  3rd October 2017

              I expect ISIS is taking the piss. They don’t have as much to laugh about as they used to. Most likely flipped out if his old msn was a psychopath – seem to remember psychopathy is genetically linked.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  3rd October 2017

      That was on the news. I wonder if the photo of him with his eyes shut (against a flash) was chosen on purpose to make him look sinister-it makes most people look odd-as in another one he looked quite ordinary.

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  9. Joe Bloggs

     /  3rd October 2017

    Whenever a white man commits an act of mass gun violence in America — politically motivated or otherwise — there is a cultural script that is closely followed by the mainstream news media, politicians and too many members of the public. This narrative is obvious and predictable. Alas, it provides some small measure of comfort to many, even if that familiarity is rooted in gross hypocrisy and flagrant contradictions.

    Unlike the impulsiveness he has shown when Muslims are accused of committing a terrorist act, either in the United States or abroad, Donald Trump will be reserved and careful in his statements. The American news media will respond by observing that Trump has now magically become “presidential,” as if his sins could be washed away by a chattering class desperate to make the abnormal into something palatable and routine.

    The National Rifle Association and the Republican politicians whom they own will default to irrational talking points: “Now is not the time to politicize a tragedy” or “It’s too early to talk about gun laws.”

    https://www.salon.com/2017/10/02/americas-white-man-problem-after-las-vegas-a-familiar-script-unfolds/

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  3rd October 2017

      Why do you endorse the silly notion that Trump and others are wrong to condemn religious extremism which promotes killing innocent people? Why do you ignore the fact that he equally condemns this insane act as horrendously evil?

      Contrary to your quote, the chattering class falls over themselves to assign sins to Trump rather than absolving him of them. As a load of blathering nonsense it is par for the course.

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      • Blazer

         /  3rd October 2017

        are you a member of the…’chattering class’…Al?

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        • Gezza

           /  3rd October 2017

          I expect Sir Alan might imagine himself more to be one of the Shattering Classes, Yeoman Blazer? Hard to say though. Unusual chap.
          🚣🏻 Sir Gerald. ⚓️

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    • David

       /  3rd October 2017

      The majority of murders in America are black men being killed by other black men. When are you going to talk about America’s black man problem?

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      • Gezza

         /  3rd October 2017

        What colour have most of the mass murderers been (the ones who haven’t been Muslim terrorists), out of interest, David?

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        • David

           /  3rd October 2017

          That’s an interesting question. The answer is white. Not surprising given the US is, what, 85% white ethically don’t you think?

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          • Gezza

             /  3rd October 2017

            True, it’s not surprising but given that the majority of murders you say are black men killing black men despite that most folks there is white foks I wonder why white folks predominate in the mass murder category.

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            • David

               /  3rd October 2017

              Technical proficiency

            • Conspiratoor

               /  3rd October 2017

              Proportionally both whites and blacks share the podium for mass killing

        • David

           /  3rd October 2017

          Just to add, the actual number is 55%.

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          • Gezza

             /  3rd October 2017

            🤔 Does “ethically” white mean they always play the white man? 😳
            😉

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            • David

               /  3rd October 2017

              Is George Zimmerman ‘white’ or ‘latino’? That seems to largely be down to the political narrative one wishes to draw.

              Fun fact, the most over-represented group in mass murders is Asian Americans.

  10. Corky

     /  3rd October 2017

    Just heard on ZB that the band playing at the shooting venue were all gun enthusiasts. The guitarist said he had always been a staunch supporter of the second amendment. But now he had been personally involved in a gun incident he now favours gun control.

    That’s your typical irrational kneejerk reaction from someone who’s life isn’t well rooted in an objective philosophy towards life. He is like a swing-voter. His philosophy changes with circumstance.

    Liberals will rely on such folk to turn the tide on gun ownership and the second amendment.

    I wonder if this dude wants cars banned, along with pharmaceutical medicine?

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