NZ Farce Party and the moving deadline

I doubt that many people will be surprised that assurances by Winston Peters have turn an announcement on the make-up of the new government into a NZ farce.

The only thing we know for certain about our government is that we don’t know what it will look like yet, and we are now past the Thursday deadline Peters had assured us he would meet.

On 25 July Winston reveals deadline day for coalition announcement:

“I make this guarantee that whatever decision New Zealand First arrives at post-election, it will be made public by the day the writs are returned, which is within three weeks from polling day.”

3 October Winston Peters adamant he can secure a coalition deal by deadline

Do you think you can get this done in the timeframe?

Peters: “Yeah I do”.

10 October: Peters pushes out talks deadline

But after completing another round of talks on Tuesday night, he told reporters the target was to complete the negotiations by Thursday night.

He said he would not be making the announcement on Thursday night.

It would be made “as soon as possible after Thursday night” but he wouldn’t go as far as to confirm the public would know his decision by Friday.

11 October: It won’t be known on Thursday who the new government is

Peters said back in July that a decision would be made public on October 12 but on Tuesday night he said there were “other arrangements” to be made first.

“Our target is to complete all these discussions by Thursday night – nothing’s changed. “We’ve got a few logistical things to work out but as soon as possible after that.”

12 October (W Day): Prime Minister will be known by end of next week – Winston Peters

12:15 pm: “It depends on the logistical availability of the board, which could be Saturday, Sunday or Monday,” he told reporters. He has not said when the public will be told of a decision.

1.12pm – ‘We’re doing this in breathtaking time’ – “The board needed to know at a certain time when they could possibly meet, and we’re working on their agendas, their timetables, where they live, the bookings and those sorts of things. With the greatest respect it is a silly question, and I wish you’d desist from it, because frankly, you’re not helping the process at all. We’re doing this in the breathtaking time that we possibly can do it. That’s all I can possibly say.”

2.10pm – Could be as late as Monday – NZ First board president Brent Catchpole said the board are ready to meet at “a moment’s notice” to discuss coalition agreements but there are logistics to organise. It could be as late as Monday before the board is able to meet. “That’s a possibility, some are going to have to take a day off work and notify their bosses so as soon as we get the word that’ll be put into motion,” Mr Catchpole said.

6:30pm – 10 days not unreasonable – Peters denies delay is a long wait, says it’s not unreasonable to take 10 days to complete the negotiation process. Ten days from October 7, when the Electoral Commission finalised the vote count, will be next Tuesday.

8:10pm – PM will be known by the end of next week – Peters says he’s committed to ensuring the public will know who the Prime Minister is by the end of next week. “Write that on the wall”.

So we may have a decision made and announced by some time next week, by Friday or by Sunday, or whenever it gets decided and announced.

Negotiations with the National and Labour party leaders have now wrapped up.

“We’re finished,” Mr Peters says. “All the policy stuff is finished.”

“I’m very, very pleased that we’ve actually got it finished. We’ve got a seriously comprehensive dossier for both sides and there’s some fiscals to be shared to make sure that we do agree. But the substantive part of the discussion… has been done.”

However, no discussions on portfolio positions have yet taken place.

“The issue of portfolios does not take long at all in these sorts of talks. It’s the substance that takes time,” he says.

So negotiations are complete, except for negotiations that will still be required. Numbers of ministers and portfolios will be important decisions to make.

The other parties involved will need to do their own consulting and deciding.

There may be details to clarify or issues to renegotiate.

The country has been left hanging, possibly for another week or more.

It doesn’t bode well for government over the next term that we have been strung along so much by Peters and the NZ Farce Party.

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  1. Conspiratoor

     /  October 13, 2017

    If he’s guilty of anything it would be a little youthful optimism. Coalitions overseas can take weeks or even months to stitch together.
    Sure, it’ll exercise the Winston fan club for a few days but at the end of the day only one thing is going to matter …outcomes

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    • It also matters whether or not we can rely on commitments made by leading MPs and possibly ministers.

      Peters is guilty of electioneering bull, but he continued talking deadline bull after the election.

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      • Gezza

         /  October 13, 2017

        I agree with c. It doesn’t happen overnight, but it DOES happen. Sometimes.

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      • Conspiratoor

         /  October 13, 2017

        Yes, I could teach him a thing or two about politics. Had it been moi, I would have used the tried and true ‘we will use our best endeavours’. Whatever else he’s guilty of though you can’t accuse him of sitting on his hands ..the poor fellow looks completely spent!

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    • “Coalitions overseas can take weeks or even months to stitch together.”

      And this tends to be the result :-

      “The grand coalition is always a compromise in which the parties agree to avoid conflicts, even limited ones,” explained Gero Neugebauer, professor emeritus at Berlin’s Free University.

      “… the government’s legislative successes came on small “no-brainer” issues … such as heavier punishments for burglars … By contrast, truly tough topics like whether Germany should have a law regulating immigration or how to finance the pension system … get ignored.”

      http://www.dw.com/en/the-pros-and-cons-of-merkels-grand-coalition-in-germany/a-38216448

      Dr. Hans Peter Raddatz – a German economist, consultant and writer – describes Merkel’s Grand Coalition as virtually a One Party State, as it controls so many of the MPs there are hardly any left outside the fold to challenge it. Ironic, is it not, that MMP was foist on the Germans specifically to prevent them electing a One Party State?

      I think the way to improve political accountability is by strengthening the Opposition, not by weakening the Government. A coalition government – particularly a Grand Coalition – is like a large business that buys out all its competitors; then lowers its quality, raises its prices, and sneers at its customers.

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      • Or as a Latin might say :-

        “Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?”

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        • Gezza

           /  October 13, 2017

          And as a Maori might say, to the Germans:
          Kaua e mate wheke mate ururoa

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          • Conspiratoor

             /  October 13, 2017

            Or as any rational homo sapien might say ‘don’t blame me, I didn’t vote for mmp’

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            • Gezza

               /  October 13, 2017

              After deliberation I have assigned you an uptick for at least having the courage to admit to your foolishness, Yeoman.
              MMP, by and large, has worked in this country, & better so than FPP (Financial Popinjays Predominating). That is a fact. For verification please consult Mr Lurch, of Lurch, Lurch & RED.
              Sir Gerald.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  October 13, 2017

              So sayeth the man who tossed his vote into the murk of maori politics. For what it’s worth I didn’t vote for fpp either. Look my dear old thing you are seriously testing a long standing tradition of not awarding a downtick, unless …well you know the rest

            • Gezza

               /  October 13, 2017

              Your threats instil no fear in me, good fellow, for I have been to the tree stump, at 7. 30 pm, summoned Ella in a deep & hopeful voice, & been rewarded with the most remarkable greeting, and, I hope, video footage yet, of this absolutely stunning creature coming out, and over, to bid me good evening & return to her hiding place.

            • Gezza

               /  October 13, 2017

              I am informed, btw, by the lovely Tracy, at the Chemist’s, that it may be possible, if I play my cards right, to induce Ella to eat from my hand. I am pondering this.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  October 13, 2017

              Left alone your new friend could remain in that spot for another 20 to 30 years judging by her size. Then one day she will gone …off to Tonga to breed and die

            • Gezza

               /  October 13, 2017

              Indeed. There is some debate as to whether it is off Tonga or somewhere more to the North that she will deliver her progeny, but it is believe they take up to 15 months to drift to New Zealand, enter the waterways, & proceed for, in many cases, many kilometres upstream including up past weirs & waterfalls etc. Their status is “rare, & declining” but we may, all of us, catch & consume them still.

  2. Corky

     /  October 13, 2017

    So, now our new governments fate lies in the hands of a secret committee! One good thing to come out of this process is this’ll definitely be Winston’s, and probably NZ Firsts,
    last hurrah. Unlike Arnie- they won’t be back.

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  3. I think that few will be surprised that “NZ First board is heavily influenced by Peters”.

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    • The ‘stumbling block’ may be having to include other people in the party and other parties in the decision making.

      My guess is that Peters hasn’t got anywhere near the policy wins he wanted and suggested he would get, so is going to have to sell his 7% share – probably as mauch to himself as to anyone.

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    • Gezza

       /  October 13, 2017

      Luigi knows people, good people …

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    • Who’s deciding: NZ First board list revealed

      As required under the party’s constitution it includes the leader and deputy leader – Winston Peters and Ron Mark – along with director general Kristin Campbell Smith.

      It also includes the national officers: president Brent Catchpole, vice president North Island Julian Paul, vice president South Island John Thorn and treasurer Holly Hopkinson.

      Mr Catchpole is a former MP, Mr Paul stood in Epsom and is described by New Zealand First as a sales specialist and martial arts teacher, and Ms Campbell Smith runs a home stay in Bay of Plenty.

      The directors of the board listed are Claire Ashley, Toa Greening, Robert Monds, Anne Marie Andrews, Kevin Gardener and Sue Sara.

      Party secretary Ann Martin is not part of the board according to the constitution but as a past president could sit in on the discussions.

      http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/341390/who-s-deciding-nz-first-board-list-revealed
      Is it anything other than a Peters puppet board?

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      • Blazer

         /  October 13, 2017

        are you insinuating none of the people listed have a mind of…their own?

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  October 13, 2017

          Of course they do, B. So they know what their position and survival depends on.

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  4. artcroft

     /  October 13, 2017

    If they need another week they should take another week. Its fine with me. In fact take three more years. I like our caretaker government.

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    • Trevors_Elbow

       /  October 13, 2017

      Its nice isnt it. Regulatory stability, no sudden change…… anypne would think parliament is slightly over done at times……

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    • Corky

       /  October 13, 2017

      New Zealand is like us at the moment, Arty..free-riders. Enjoy the vista while you can because the next town you trot into, the government is going to lasso you and break you in. It’s called democracy, and it’s one hombre you can’t lead between the eyes.

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    • Corky

       /  October 13, 2017

      Ignore Gezza, Arty. He should be pruning the shrubs along his front fence instead of posting ” strange perceptions” on this blog.

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  5. George

     /  October 13, 2017

    Just wait.
    I feel sure the drunken dwarf will find other reasons next week to extend the big announce to the week after or the week after that.
    What ever happened to the technology that permits us to have internet conferences with international bodies but winston first cant use the technology within NZ ?????

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  6. Patzcuaro

     /  October 13, 2017
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  7. Ray

     /  October 13, 2017

    Winston Morepork, brilliant
    Ardern Hua a little unkind, Hua have been extinct for 110 years!

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  8. Elderly pensioner holds 93% of NZ to ransom.

    We all know this man.

    No secret that I know him to be odious. I feel he lacks the transformative drive of many of the men and women called to public service we see. He lacks the emotional intelligence, empathy, integrity and sincerity to appeal to a wider audience and his support base are either similarly elderly or they care little for continuance and well mannered governance.

    I find it bizarre that the 7% of those who voted for him, vested the power he’s exercising this moment. I find it unconscionable that a curmudgeonly old man is content to disrespect and disregard everything about belonging to a first world country. He has known this scenario was pretty well on the cards, but he and his “board” are apparently so disorganised and utterly unprofessional they can’t get their collective act together to work on what should be a simple support coalition scenario with a couple of major wins.

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    • PDB

       /  October 13, 2017

      He only has ‘power’ because National and Labour allow him as much as the Greens have no power because they choose not to use it.

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  9. Alan Wilkinson

     /  October 13, 2017

    Quite strange that two and a half million people can work out who to vote for by election day but Winston can’t.

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  10. Zedd

     /  October 13, 2017

    “hush” all the MMP skeptics.. do we really want a return to 2-party FPP politics; Coke V Pepsi ?
    maybe the MSM should all take a collective deep breath; ‘it wont happen overnight….’

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  11. Corky

     /  October 13, 2017

    I have always been ambivalent towards Winston Peters. He hasn’t done much for me, or against me. However, at the moment he is starting to piss me off with his carry on, especially after giving us a concrete time table for negotiations to begin and end.

    Seems someone else has the same sentiments…take it away, Mikey!

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11932519

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