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20 October 2017

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80 Comments

  1. “A Pyrrhic victory”

    Things to watch

    Over the next six months:-

    Unemployment

    Mortgage rates

    Exchange rates

    Business investment

    Six to twelve months

    House prices

    Net immigration

    Mortgagee sales

    Business closures

    Beneficiary numbers

    GDP growth (or non growth)

    This is an excellent time to be in opposition. Even Milt recognises a Pyrrhic victory when he sees one.”

    Nod to Adolf at nominister.

    • Fight4NZ

       /  October 20, 2017

      All down except investment.

    • PDB

       /  October 20, 2017

      Don’t blame Winston though……….he’s got in first and said last night if it all goes pear-shaped it isn’t his fault – and who would not believe him?

      • We’re witnessing a man’s public descent into madness and paranoia

        • PDB

           /  October 20, 2017

          Enough talk about [deleted personal swipes]

        • Blazer

           /  October 20, 2017

          hilarious…but typical.

        • Blazer

           /  October 20, 2017

          do behave ..go and console your poor..mother..if she burst into tears when Key resigned ,God knows how she’s coping with this.

        • Gezza

           /  October 20, 2017

          What else would you expect from someone who lives in a feckin compound.

      • Blazer

         /  October 20, 2017

        Sharon Zollner-BNZ economist-Yeah, the economy does its own thing to a large extent. I think there’s a bit of a tendency for people to give the government more credit and more blame than it perhaps deserves for the business cycle, which is more driven by exchange rates, interest rates, commodity prices, more than actual fiscal policy. Of course, government policy is very important for the long-run, in terms of education and productivity and competitiveness, and all those sorts of things that determine your long-run trend, sustainable growth rate. But in terms of the business cycle, it’s really not an easy thing to try to steer.’

  2. Ray

     /  October 20, 2017

    Oh, it is going to be so much fun putting the blow torch onto the Lefts feet now they have to actually do something.
    After all this is the crew who whined about growing debt while simultaneously moaning about not enough spending.
    Let’s see them deal with that conundrum.

  3. PDB

     /  October 20, 2017

    A cynical person would think Winston went Labour because he could ‘pass-the-buck’ onto Labour/Greens if the economy turns bad – his bizarre early excuses for the economy tanking in last nights press announcement suggests this a distinct possibility.

    • NOEL

       /  October 20, 2017

      Hed did say the majority of those who voted wanted change.

      • PDB

         /  October 20, 2017

        Was that a total change of govt or changes made to the existing govt though?

        The bulk of NZL First’s left-wing supporters jumped on the Jacinda train (hence their big drop in support) leaving them with a more conservative support base I’d suggest.

        • Yes, it’ll be interesting to see how the Rest Home residents and creaky knee crew at Bowling Clubs throughout NZ are feeling this morning.

    • One thing of which he can be sure is that his feet will be held to every fire imaginable.

      The perennial trougher has secured himself a salary package of $400,000.00, so, on top of his recently adjusted old age pension thats’s very 1%. If he imagined his every move won’t be examined he’s very deluded.

      Bring it on the coalition of the damned and the biggest opposition in the world.

      • Corky

         /  October 20, 2017

        I’m just thinking about the hard working Kiwis who will get sweet fak all next April. The first budget will be a duzzy.

        • Will Peters agree to scrapping the tax cuts? He said he would support workers, but other costs pressures may rule against retaining them.

          • Corky

             /  October 20, 2017

            Good question. I keep forgetting about Winston. Lets hope not. Workers need to be rewarded. I fear though the many social itches this coalition want to scratch may, as you say, rule tax cuts out.

            • Blazer

               /  October 20, 2017

              Tax cuts…gone by lunchtime.Far better uses for that money than an election bribe.

            • Corky

               /  October 20, 2017

              Money in workers pockets is a bribe?

            • Gezza

               /  October 20, 2017

              Small change. Won’t even buy a packet of smokes.

            • Gezza

               /  October 20, 2017

              Chump change, in the US. Chumps here didn’t buy it. Weren’t chumps. Alt righties who voted for General referendum on Maori seats were the chumps. Never mind. Best thing.
              Sir G

      • unitedtribes2

         /  October 20, 2017

        Surely he will donate his salary to a charity to avoid this!

        • Blazer

           /  October 20, 2017

          do a Key just donate a ‘portion’…but spin it as if you’ve donated the whole lot.Thanks for the ‘fiver’..flivver.

  4. Corky

     /  October 20, 2017

    Mikey has regained his equilibrium. I sensed a tad of despondency in Mikey this morning. However, that changed when he interviewed our prime minister and she confirmed immigration will be cut, and some form of tax working party will ensue.

    I sensed life flow back into Mikey as he realised he’ll be shooting fish in barrel over the next three years.

    Welcome back, son.

    The issue of Pike River came up. I wonder if that ever figured in negotiation talks with National? I heard an emotional response from one Pike River widow this morning. Big mistake, National. You failed big time on that issue. It wont play well for you as Winston dons a helmet and says ” Lets do this”

    National also has a tight time line. Hopefully, some old hands will don the golden parachutes.
    Strange thing about National is their diversity. More Indians and Asians then you can poke a stick at. They need to find some with feralness and get them into the lime light. They need a foil for the fairy princess.

    And most of all…National need to be ready for a snap election.

    • PDB

       /  October 20, 2017

      Lets all hope no one else dies at Pike River to prove the folly of risking lives to (possibly) find bits of the already dead.

      • Corky

         /  October 20, 2017

        The issue has gone beyond safety concerns. Anyone going into the mine will know the risks. If they die that’s tough bickkies. I think the risk is worth it to bring a decent nights sleep to the still grieving. Even if no bodies are found, the families will be able to accept that, seal the mine, and sleep peacefully knowing all the was humanely possible has been done. At the moment that is not the case.

    • Blazer

       /  October 20, 2017

      noticed Paula Bennett fixing her cheshire cat smile ,gazing at Bill in his standup conceding to Adern.Would National promote her to leader?..fingers crossed.

      • Corky

         /  October 20, 2017

        She will bitch-slap Jacinda into next century. Of course National will bring Paula out as the coalition is on the slide and an already fragile Jacinda is under huge pressure.

        Bring it on…tough guy!

        • Blazer

           /  October 20, 2017

          Will she make you..vote..fluff guy?

          • Corky

             /  October 20, 2017

            No. No Muslim ban, no vote. Simple. Besides National isn’t National anymore. They are a pale reflection of yesteryear. Still the best out of a bad bunch imo.

            • Gezza

               /  October 20, 2017

              Muslim ban, no vote. Simple.
              Say no more.
              Says it all.

  5. lurcher1948

     /  October 20, 2017

    The national party PR firm of Hosking,Dwyer and Williams stuffed up big time and they are stamping their feet on the auckland Herald/national party radio station called NewstalkZB at this moment.We won,you lot lost…

    • Corky

       /  October 20, 2017

      Yes, you won, Lurchy. And yes, it hurts to lose. But the fact is fate is being very kind to National. National ,provided they keep their heads, will come to enjoy the R&R..before regaining power.

      • Oh there we go, it’s the usual Lbour call of #WWYL. I was waiting for it..it should be reconfigured to wlww. We lost we won

  6. sorethumb

     /  October 20, 2017

    I was listening to a podcast (might have been Sam harris?). The interviewee was saying that when you get groups of all one type (left or right) and extreme concensus develops. That would explain The Standard. I rarely visit the Standard because it just isn’t interesting as there is nothing in the way of counter argument other than a brief foray prior to an attack (seagulls attacking a chip).

    • Gezza

       /  October 20, 2017

      Good. That’s the story.
      Original thinking. 💪🏼
      Best thing. 👍🏼
      Sir G

  7. Alan Wilkinson

     /  October 20, 2017

    I think National will change leaders. English is not an attack dog and that is what opposition needs. Odds are it will go to a woman, just not sure which.

    • Gezza

       /  October 20, 2017

      Bennet would be great to watch. Jacinda will have her blubbering pretty quickly, I suspect, not the other way round. Maybe Nikki Kaye?

      • phantom snowflake

         /  October 20, 2017

        Yes, National need to rejuvenate, or at least appear rejuvenated. Nikki Kaye is the most competent-sounding of the younger generation of National MPs, and would be the ideal choice for leader as long as her health is OK. For the sake of balance, the new Deputy would need to be a male from the rural south. Any thoughts on who that might be G? (Any residual leadership delusions on the part of Judith Collins would lead to blood on the floor; hers that is.)

        • Gezza

           /  October 20, 2017

          Yeah I dunno if it has to be from the South. Probably just go with Bridges.

  8. lurcher1948

     /  October 20, 2017

    Changed over from listening to Auckland herald/newstalkZB(tim dwyer) to Radio Live as the wailing from the ZB listeners sounds like a smoke detector going of,The rabble are at the point of crying….

    • Corky

       /  October 20, 2017

      Wise decision…you were saved from hearing Michael Basset rubbish the coalition.

      ” Winston is an old dinosaur thrashing around in the seventies. He was slurring his words and reminded me of meetings I attended in the Seventies He and the Left haven’t realised times have changed; things have moved on from the Muldoon era. ( paraphrased)

      • duperez

         /  October 20, 2017

        Is it better to be an old dinosaur thrashing around in the seventies or a near eighties thrashing around in nappies?

      • Blazer

         /  October 20, 2017

        Basset another Labour traitor.

        • Corky

           /  October 20, 2017

          No, Blazer. Basset stopped taking the red pill and the Matrix disintegrated before his very eyes….and for the first time he saw… the ‘real world.’

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  October 20, 2017

      At least with NZ going to the dogs, Lurch, we are already there. And yours has the right name.

  9. lurcher1948

     /  October 20, 2017

    The national voters think they are fighting back…
    Harriet

    Just sabotage them — tell all and sundry that you are deferring all of your spending, and do so – every last dollar. And if you employ part time staff tell them that their work hours each week are now subject to what Jacinda AND Winnie AND Shaw announce. Create fear and uncertainty. Ring up the radio station, tell your workmates….family ….friends….tell all down at the pub……
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    • You mean one National voter.

      Ironically she paints a scenario not altogether as to be dismissed. Those who create the jobs in society could as well destroy them

      • Gezza

         /  October 20, 2017

        trav – do you really think Labour is going to bankrupt thousands of employers just to be a one-term government? Robertson might be that dumb. I don’t think the New Young Queen is.

        Tangent. (Nod to Kitty)
        The other Indian dairy owner (I spread my largesse) said this morn that he was concerned about 4 new taxes.

        Oh, I said. Would you have been better off under National again? You’re a business owner.
        How have you done, income-wise under National?

        Under Labour, he said, People’s incomes go up (gesturing with hand, a low, steadily climbing flight path like one of charlie’s better take-offs).
        Under National, my income, not good.
        Oh, says I. Did costs go up & not your income?
        No, he said, under National, my income, go down (gesturing with his hand, a flight path like charlie’s landing through the square gap in the tree branches).

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  October 20, 2017

          I think your Indian friend might be describing the GFC.

          NZX50 down 1% only. NZ$ down 2%. Monday might be the test after investors assimilate and assess the news.

          • Gezza

             /  October 20, 2017

            The smart money will no doubt move quickly into water improvement machinery, supplements, & ammunition supplies.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  October 20, 2017

              Maybe into Fletcher Building. They are usually good at finding their way to the receiving end of the taxpayer blood-letting.

            • Gezza

               /  October 20, 2017

              Who makes road cones? I might buy a few of theirs & see how they do?
              Might be more roading work now?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  October 20, 2017

              Who knows, Sir Gerald. Labour/Greens have always poo-pooed better roads for Northland but maybe Winston/Shane will pressure them. Otherwise it will be blown on trains and trams. National have spent far more on roads up this way than Labour ever did. And most of Christchurch’s roads had to be rebuilt as well as Kaikoura’s.

        • I’ve never really minded Labour governments before. (esp. since 1987!). I used to be a socialist until I grew up. However, they’ve never been this far left, this liberal and in a coalition with a despotic, self aggrandising madman and another party out to strangle dairy, who want to do the “right thing” by beneficiaries, no strings handouts etc. Labour are well in bed with James P Shaw, he of two mothers, a man who actively advocates benefit fraud and whose first cab off the rack was to tell us that a referendum on personal dope use was on the agenda.

          She’s not too bad, Jacinda, but Grant is a man who tells us his political leanings were influenced by his experiences having a father who , in 1991,was imprisoned after stealing around $120,000 from the law firm where he worked. Now, I’m only half joking but there you go. Alf’s better half is a loose canon, he has ZERO qualifications in finance or economics or even Muldoon accounting. I do not count Jacinda’s Waikato Comms degree or Grant’s Politics as sound education that befits governance in this day ad age. The usual array of teachers – including Kelvin is even more disturbing!

          What’s there to be hopeful about? It’s a left clusterfcuk and my only solace is the political fun some of us will be having.

          • Blazer

             /  October 20, 2017

            Steven Joyce the Zooligist out of a job…what are Bennetts qualifications..again?

            • Corky

               /  October 20, 2017

              Hit women for National. Destroyer of smug beneficiaries who call her out. General all round nice caring lady.

          • Gezza

             /  October 20, 2017

            Show me some more birds. That’ll lift both our spirits a bit?

      • Blazer

         /  October 20, 2017

        forex gamblers,property speculators and tax haven lawyers are parasites on society,they create…nothing.

        • was that comment placed in the wrong thread?

          • Blazer

             /  October 20, 2017

            ‘Ironically she paints a scenario not altogether as to be dismissed. Those who create the jobs in society could as well destroy them’…

  10. Corky

     /  October 20, 2017

    Hold on… my A2 shares!!!! Crikey, I will need financial advice given we have a band of merry socialists in charge. I wonder how many other investors are doubling up on their underwear to save the carpet?

  11. lurcher1948

     /  October 20, 2017

    Far higher class of poster here PG or DPF doesnt bother on his blog…
    Digmen1

    We need to import 10,000 Kenyan guys and pay them to riot in the streets of Wellington! and Auckland.

    We don’t seem to have any balls left!
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    • Gezza

       /  October 20, 2017

      It’s fine for people like them, isn’t it! Living in their compounds with their stores of munitions & supplements while the nasty loony left red army ravages the entire population.

  12. Corky

     /  October 20, 2017

    Crikey, how the guy in the middle has had a change of heart . As I have always said, never trust what a Lefty says..only what they do. Nothing is off the table with their machinations.. From faking deaths, to years of lying and being unethical.. .Anything to gain their objective.
    Well ,they have their objective. The question is will they still be lions on the blogs as the Left sink. Or will they go back to being mild mannered ‘men in the middle to save face…again?

    Meanwhile Righties will have to accept their new reality. For the present anyway.

    ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rcIJIWqYmo

    • Gezza

       /  October 20, 2017

      Meanwhile Righties will have to accept their new reality. For the present anyway.

      Alt righties will need to do same thing.

      So will I. Wait & watch. See what happens. Hope for the best. Not like we can change anything is there?

      Never know what we’ll end up with sometimes. Only person who successfully wrecked the economy so far was National’s Muldoon, I’ve heard. But Muldoon was a National Socialist, say some.

      Clark was the Red Terror, say some. Others say she was another sort of National Socialist entirely.

      Country seems to weather these horrors one way or the other. Best never to panic.

  13. lurcher1948

     /  October 20, 2017

    Mikey Hoskins sounds gutted,Hosking,BILLY your man LOST hes a 2 TIME LOSER
    folks the voice of the national party their PR spokesman Mike Hosking,

  14. lurcher1948

     /  October 20, 2017

    Go away hoskings, ROY has a song to sing

  15. lurcher1948

     /  October 20, 2017

    Why the hell is david seymor a nothing,speaking up??seymor an arse skid mark from Epson under national could not win a seat under his own efforts just some one who has JUST been put in the RUBBISH BIN of life,