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21 October 2017

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  1. Gezza

     /  21st October 2017

    YNZ POSTER SURVEY

    After getting what we’ve now got, can you think of any sane reason not to have voted in New Zealands recent General Election?

    Yes – Uptick
    (Please specify sane reasons only in Comments)

    No – Downtick

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    • Gezza

       /  21st October 2017

      * clarification.
      (Upticks with no comments indicate the reason is not sane. Only the number of upticks matching the number of comments will be considered valid.)

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  2. ### BREAKING NEWS ###

    All Blacks lose the World Cup as Australia, South Africa & England combine their points to become World Cup winners

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    • Gezza

       /  21st October 2017

      🤔 According to the oft-mentioned criteria of Corky, doesn’t this sort of thing make you a vicious nasty lefty, trav? 😳

      Off down to stream to commune with an eel. Will check back a little later.

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      • Tell me what is wrong with this poster

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        • Gezza

           /  21st October 2017

          Well, for a start that red is bloody awful. It looks just terrible on the iPad. It’s hurting my eyes. And the white lettering seems to make it worse. So I don’t like to look at it. If I don’t look at it I don’t know what it says.

          It’s like Andy’s posters & their conference – flippin red everywhere! It’s a terrible colour. Nobody paints their bedroom red! Not even working tarts. It’s an angry colour. And certainly not that red! Maybe some might use a deep wine or something, but they’d probably have patterns in, boudoir stuff, I don’t know I’ve never paid for it. (Well, not that way, if you know what I mean.)

          You want to make people mad at Labour, not the people who did the poster. If I think of more I’ll let you know.

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          • Gezza

             /  21st October 2017

            I’ll put sunnies on later & have another look. It might have started a migraine.

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          • Gezza

             /  21st October 2017

            Ok, just quickly, another one (still wildlife rangering here):
            The last line:
            “No matter which side of the fence you are on, surely this isn’t right!”

            I think that’s probably true. Seems an odd combination of Lefties & Alt Righties. But I fail to see how that adds anything to persuade Centre or Soft Voters there’s a crisis of democracy when it’s obvious Right voters wouldn’t be happy.

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            • Gezza

               /  21st October 2017

              That’s about it really I think. I’ll assume those percentages are accurate. Where’s this poster from – who’s going to be using it, & how do they plan to use it?

              It’s a theme National & any allies will want to keep using throughout their tenure as opposition because it’s a fairly obvious point for them to want to keep hammering in to the minds of the public that National had more votes than any other single party.

              If this coalition hits enuff people in the back pocket or when shopping for whatever so that too many wind up worde off the idea that FPP would be better I don’t think will sell.

              People won’t want to return to an effective dictatorship by a National (or Labour) Party with less than half of the total votes, so I think that part of the theme won’t fly with enuf people to be any use.

              “And it took all these losers to join together to unseat the party with the most votes”. Well, if you want to get votes back off anyone who voted for them, effectively calling them losers is not smart, imo.

              Overall I think this poster will increae hostility towards National yhis early in the game & probably actually not a good idea.

              What other concurrent strategies are on the boil?

            • Gezza

               /  21st October 2017

              * soz for typos

        • Blazer

           /  21st October 2017

          neither P.M Bill English or Finance Minister Steven Joyce won their seats…FFS!

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    • Fight4NZ

       /  21st October 2017

      When I went to school 44% was a D fail.
      We’re playing a game of “Irrelevant metaphors”. Who wants to join in?

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    • lurcher1948

       /  21st October 2017

      WE WON,you lost

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      • If that’s what you call a win I pity your world construct. This outcome might just ruin all chances of so-called “Progressive” ( I think it’s a word that’s been effectively hijacked like gay) governance for any time frame but the most immediate. Ms Ardern is effectively the Kim Kardashian of populist politics. When it’s “pot” time and she and her band of mostly merry men fail to deliver what next?

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        • Blazer

           /  21st October 2017

          MMP has been the voting system in NZ for quite some time now.I know some right wing voters are extremely thick and sore losers,but this is the way it…works.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  21st October 2017

            Not as thick as the idiots who voted for Winston and the Greens.

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    • PDB

       /  21st October 2017

      Them the rules – I’ve no problem with the election outcome.

      Winston/ Ardern have already laid the ground for policy flip-flops by saying we are likely heading for an economic meltdown under their ‘leadership’ (not their fault of course). They realise now that their spending promises are well over the top (unsustainable) & they need to dump many of these – economic doom and gloom a good enough reason to do so. Would help cover that large financial ‘hole’ they have in their long-term budget as well.

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      • Blazer

         /  21st October 2017

        don’t get ahead of yourself…early days.

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        • PDB

           /  21st October 2017

          Early days and already preparing the country for the worst – don’t remember them campaigning on that?

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          • Blazer

             /  21st October 2017

            Be prepared and plan for different scenarios.

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            • PDB

               /  21st October 2017

              To be fair around 44% of the population knew before Labour/Winston admitted as much that any govt of Greens/NZL First/Labour would cause an economic melt-down.

            • Gezza

               /  21st October 2017

              That’s voters, not population, isn’t it?

              By my estimate 53%* of the around 66% of voters who didn’t vote for National knew this would cause a personal meltdown for many National voters.

              *5% margin of error

            • Gezza

               /  21st October 2017

              Sorry that should be 43% of the around 54% who didn’t vote National.
              And the margin of error is now 4.39%.
              Maths was never my strong point. According to a survey of my 5th Form classmates, & two who hated me, my intellectual talents were most especially attuned & suited to eviscerating Cabbage, the Latin Teacher.

          • Fight4NZ

             /  21st October 2017

            They could go for an unannounced GST hike to cover it up. Thats sound economics. And maybe another bike trail! Yes, a bit lower than the other one so theres a split level effect….ni

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  3. unitedtribes2

     /  21st October 2017

    Theres a rat in the fowl house
    Set trap. Green party approved E trap
    Baited with organic peanut butter
    Got a char finch
    Rat ate finch

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  4. Its quite the skill making excuses for why you can’t always deliver. Blaming previous Governments is a staple. Blaming certain groups in society is handy especially those who never vote for you. In the mmp (members may prattle) environment alluding to difficult elements within the otherwise smooth running machine helps. Saying it will take 2 or even 3 terms to finish the job is the best because by then members will have made enough money and gained enough mutually suitable backs to scratch to see one through a long and comfortable retirement. Leaving others to clean up the mess while reclining on deck chairs in ones new multi level Kerikeri home only makes it all such a hoot 🙂

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    • “Blaming previous Governments is a staple.” Fair enough for three years, I say. National were still trying it on at the end of their own “nine long years.”

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  5. lurcher1948

     /  21st October 2017

    Party vote NZF
    MP vote Labour Greg OConnor
    one vote for a better government and we get Saint Jacinda as a NEW FRESH pm,
    as an aside Bill”WHO”English, 2-time loser to a(commie chic*) Quote courtesy kiwiblog

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  6. Corky

     /  21st October 2017

    Mikeys been seen hitting the Nitro Coffee of late. Stay strong Mikey…it’s a one term banger if they are lucky.

    Here’s the problem. Labours plane will be laden with social debt. Once the economy tanks and starts to dive, Jacinda wont have enough power to pull out of the dive, no matter how desperately she yanks on the joy stick.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  21st October 2017

      Hang in there Corky,we are here to help you.Gezza will hold your hand and RED will let you stroke him, RED does an awesome like…posters stick together,
      PS WE WON and you lost

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      • Corky

         /  21st October 2017

        Really? lol… put your specs on and watch the clip again.

        PS WE WON and you lost! Yes you did, althought I didn’t vote as you may have guessed from another one of Gezza’s…zzzzz.

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        • Gezza

           /  21st October 2017

          You can be quite hurtful sometimes Corky. Why should you be the only poster here allowed to bore people to death?

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      • Uptick yourself as much as you like. Your beloved government is made up of ideologues, children and one very elderly pensioner. 😛

        In a couple of months tatts will have the odds up for it’s duration.

        Wonder what will bring it down?

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        • Gezza

           /  21st October 2017

          I don’t know if he is upticking himself. It’s posdible the readership & contributors to the blog might change. I’m keeping an eye out to see if that happens.

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          • patupaiarehe

             /  21st October 2017

            No change here G, Lurch always gets an uptick from me (but only because I like Red 😉 )

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        • Gezza

           /  21st October 2017

          Any number of things could possibly do it, eonomy tanking, unpopular taxes, ynemployments rises. But they’ll get a lengthy honeymoon period with voters & media first maybe.

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        • Fight4NZ

           /  21st October 2017

          Brought down the National govt at the ballot box. That’s a very good start.

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