A big day for the incoming Government

The incoming Government is due to be sworn in on Thursday, but that’s largely procedural. In practical terms today is important as they will make public the Labour-NZ First and Labour-Green governing agreements.

This should detail the mix of policies and priorities that have been decided on, and will set the scene for the intent of the new government.

Portfolios will also be announced. It will be interesting to see who gets what, especially what responsibilities are given to the four incoming NZ First ministers and three Green ministers (their first since they have been in parliament, as well as one under-secretary appointment for each of the two smaller parties.

This is another big test for incoming Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern. How the media reacts and how then public reacts will point to how she will kick off in the big job.

How party activists react will also be of interest – how supportive they are, or how disappointed they are that their pet policies have been set aside.

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  3. sorethumb

     /  24th October 2017

    the worrying thing is that labour will drown out concerns over immigration and national identity, citing achieving balance between NZ First and the Greens.
    Two things we need are 1. referenda 2. a check on the media driven narratives. This would include how English makes statements such as “the economy is in great shape”.

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    • The economy is in great shape

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      • Gezza

         /  24th October 2017

        It certainly is for some.

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      • Fight4NZ

         /  24th October 2017

        Sure, the upscaling immigration along with the housing bubble and wage suppression it has brought with it have all the headline economic indicators in the desired bands.
        Working people living 2 families per garage, hospital overloads leading to people dying, etc. Not pertinent.

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        • David

           /  24th October 2017

          “Working people living 2 families per garage”

          Sorry, not buying it.

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          • Gezza

             /  24th October 2017

            Just tell them they’ll have to move after you purchase it. You can truck it to a more desirable place & market it as a funky studio apartment?

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  4. robertguyton

     /  24th October 2017

    “… three Green ministers (their first since they have been in parliament, as well as one under-secretary appointment …”

    Worth repeating;

    ” …three Green ministers (their first since they have been in parliament, as well as one under-secretary appointment …”

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  24th October 2017

      Normal folk are worried enough without you repeating bad news, Robert.

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      • Gezza

         /  24th October 2017

        Charlie’s banging on the screen door. Either he wants brunch or he’s not happy with what you said.

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    • robertguyton

       /  24th October 2017

      I don’t mean to worry you, Alan, more remind you (and others here; PDM et al) how well The Greens have done; never held Ministerial positions before, not in Opposition (that’s National now; her “pals” extinguished or near-as) inside of the tent, wielding power, making decisions that will affect all of us, able to make real their ideals. It’s a brand-spanking new situation, Alan and we tree huggin’, Moriss dancin’, tofu munchin’, soap averse, pot smokin’, sandal wearin’, Kumbuya singing, troglodyte, Luddites are just luvvin’ it!
      Chin up!

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  24th October 2017

        Had a chat with a very senior tree hugger yesterday afternoon, Robert. He thinks/hopes DoC will get more money but otherwise the present CEO is good so probably not a lot will change policy-wise.

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      • Zedd

         /  24th October 2017

        “ae Robert” sez I 🙂 🙂 😀

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    • PDB

       /  24th October 2017

      When compared to NZL First’s gains what the Greens have got out of the arrangement is diddly squat considering NZL First only got 0.9% more votes.

      How embarrassing for them & their supporters.

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      • PDB – you come across as unnecessarily bitter and twisted about The Greens, bitching at them at every opportunity; your views are boring and dull, unoriginal and flaccid. Fortunately, The Greens have much, much more to offer than you do and are in positions of POWER which clearly irks you hugely. I’ll at least have the pleasure, when I read your feeble witterings, of knowing The Greens are getting right under your skin and causing you huge discomfort, day in and day out. Also, they’ll be changing the country for the better, despite your lack of support; all very satisfying for a Green supporter, like me.
        Alan, I trust your lovely green friend is correct; starving DOC of funds was appalling behaviour by National. Anyone miss Maggie Barry?

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        • David

           /  24th October 2017

          “he Greens have much, much more to offer than you do and are in positions of POWER ”

          Let’s see what happens when they try to exercise this POWER.

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        • Robert. Whatever you may say about PDB he is discussing the Greens and policy.

          You are busy attacking him and I can’t get past the personal attack on an individual poster to hear your message. Sad really

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        • PDB

           /  24th October 2017

          Comedy gold Robert! The fact you have to attack me personally rather than debate (like an adult) what I’m posting shows you are feeling the strain and weight of the Green failure. For a guy who said he wasn’t going to post on this site anymore you sure have a lot to say.

          The fact remains that the Greens and NZL First ended up with roughly the same amount of votes but the difference in power between the two parties is massive within this new govt. All the Greens have got is a few ministers of little note/power and the odd crumb from Labour. Winston has shunned them and won’t even talk to them, leaving Labour to ensure they sign off on what ever Labour/NZL First agrees upon.

          I for one welcome your posts Robert. They serve as a reminder to readers of this blog of how far the Greens have fallen & how desperate they have become for any morsel of respect after 20 years of achieving very little and their current position of begging for scraps from the Labour/NZL First table.

          Like Winston I won’t be losing any sleep on what the Greens are wanting/saying in the next three years.

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          • Comparing NZ First’s position with The Greens doesn’t interest me in the slightest; I’m interested in The Greens past position compared with The Green’s present greatly enhanced position; in POWER and with Influence and not in OPPOSITION, as National is. Your snide, “but Winston did so much better” is trite and uninteresting and reveals your dislike for The Greens and little else, hence my dismissal of your “flaccid” views. The Greens are in a marvelous position, post-election. Your team is in a crappy position. This is very satisfying.

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            • PDB

               /  24th October 2017

              National are exactly in the position I hoped – in opposition for a term then in for the following two-three terms to clean up the mess.

              For settling for so little you are obviously easily pleased. The only upside I see for the Greens is that by being outside of the main govt they may survive when the shit no doubt hits the fan.

            • PDB

               /  24th October 2017

              Where’s Gezza’s fishing line gif when I need it?

            • PDB

               /  24th October 2017

              Robert: “I’m interested in The Greens past position compared with The Green’s present greatly enhanced position”

              I must admit 0% influence to 0.5% influence is a massive improvement! Congratulations!

            • robertguyton

               /  24th October 2017

              Finally, PDB, you see clearly! Some influence (Green/Government) is better than no influence at all (National/Opposition).

            • robertguyton

               /  24th October 2017

              “National are exactly in the position I hoped – in opposition” PDB

              Poetry!

            • PDB

               /  24th October 2017

              I gave you an uptick for persistence – pity Winston will be dictating if the Green achieve anything.

            • robertguyton

               /  24th October 2017

              No, he won’t. The lights are green for the Kermits! Turns out, it’s easy being green!

            • PDB

               /  24th October 2017

              Getting a good salary for doing bugger all does make being a Green MP rather easy….

            • David

               /  24th October 2017

              “in POWER and with Influence and not in OPPOSITION”

              The comic part of this is you have no power, no influence and you don’t even have the fig leaf of being in opposition.

            • David

               /  24th October 2017

              “The lights are green for the Kermits! ”

              What a fitting name. Just like Kermit, your in an abusive relationship and you don’t even realise it.

          • sorethumb

             /  24th October 2017

            As someone said : “NZ First has no infrastructure”. Adern will be aware that the media and liberal elite have had the knives into NZF whereas the Greens piggyback academia (they area middle class- baizou party)

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  5. PDB

     /  24th October 2017

    Stuff: “The portfolios NZ First will be given include: Foreign Affairs, Infrastructure, Regional Economic Development, Internal Affairs, Seniors, Defence, Veterans’ Affairs, Children, Forestry, State Owned Enterprises, Racing, Associate Finance, Associate Education and an Under-Secretary for Foreign Affairs and Regional Economic Development.”

    At 7% of the National vote that sounds fair…….

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    • PDB

       /  24th October 2017

      Ardern – NZ Herald: “I’m absolutely clear about my ambition to be Minister of Children.”

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      • She just left ces that word “absolutely”. When anyone uses that in my presence up goes the “never gonna happen” flag

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  6. Alan Wilkinson

     /  24th October 2017

    NZF coalition agreement with Labour, at a glance:

    Regional develpoment: A $1 billion per year Regional Development (Provincial Growth) Fund
    Rail: Significant investment in regional rail.
    Forestry: Re-establish the New Zealand Forestry Service, and planting 100 million trees per year in a Billion Trees Planting Programme.
    Auckland Port: Commissioning a feasibility study on moving the Ports of Auckland to Northport
    Biosecurity: A funding increase to Biosecurity NZ and a select committee Inquiry into biosecurity
    Irrigation: Honour existing Crown Irrigation investment commitments

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11936177

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    • PDB

       /  24th October 2017

      A 100 million trees a year? – who is to plant them all and where is all the stock coming from?

      No doubt the money trees required – lets hope they produce their fruits quickly.

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      • robertguyton

         /  24th October 2017

        Trees! The Greens are cranking! All greens will be delighted by this news! Go Green!!

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  24th October 2017

          Looking forward to seeing them wrapped around radiata pine trunks, Robert. The ones I know around here would sooner throw themselves off the tops. I planted a few just to annoy them.

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        • PDB

           /  24th October 2017

          If it was native trees I may agree with you.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  24th October 2017

      I’m sure the Greens love the idea of a billion more pine trees. And Winston gets another billion per year pork barrel to fund his provincial politicking along with an excuse not to move the port to Whangarei.

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    • PDB

       /  24th October 2017

      Auckland Port: Commissioning a feasibility study on moving the Ports of Auckland to Northport.

      This has already been done – it makes no economic sense considering the bulk of the goods are bound for Auckland and surrounding areas.

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  7. Alan Wilkinson

     /  24th October 2017

    More now:
    Monetary policy: Review and reform the Reserve Bank Act
    Minimum wage: Increase to $20 an hour by 2020, with the final increase to take effect in April 2021
    Tax: Increase penalties for corporate fraud and tax evasion, and introduce a tax on exports of bottled water
    KiwiBank: Investigate KiwiBank’s capabilities to become the Government’s banker when that contract is next renewed.
    Foreign ownership: Strengthen the Overseas Investment Act and create a comprehensive register of foreign-owned land and housing
    Research and development: Increase R&D spending to 2 per cent of GDP over 10 years
    Health: Re-establish the Mental Health Commission, annual free health checks for seniors with the SuperGold card, free doctors’ visits for all under 14s, increasing the age for free breast screening to 74
    Education: Restore funding for gifted students and Computers in Homes, pilot counsellors in primary schools, free driver training for all secondary school students, restart Te Kotahitanga teacher professional development
    Defence: Re-examine the Defence procurement programme
    Housing: Establish a Housing Commission
    Law and Order: Work towards 1800 new police officers over three years, investigate a volunteer rural constabulary programme, increase funding for Community Law Centres, establish a Criminal Cases Review Commission
    Social Development: More funding for family violence networks, including Women’s Refuge and Shakti, pilot a Youth Education, Training and Employment programme and provide 800 extra places for the LSV scheme, introduce Ready for Work programmes
    Superannuation: Keep age of eligibility at 65
    Environment: Move to an emissions-free government-vehicle fleet by 2025/26, introduce a Zero Carbon Act and independent Climate Commission, which will consider including agriculture into the ETS, establish a tyre stewardship fund, piloting alternatives to 1080, work towards a Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary
    Conservation: More funding for the Department of Conservation
    Democracy: No new parliamentary building this term, an independent review of electoral processes and enrolments, and a review of the parliamentary processes, and pass a ‘Waka Jumping’ bill
    Immigration: Ensure work visas reflect skills shortages and cut down on low quality international education courses, and take action on migrant exploitation, particularly international students
    Pike River: Commit to re-entry to Pike River
    Other: Build a Maori Battalion museum at Waitangi, review retail-power pricing, allow a conscience vote on a NZ First euthanasia referendum bill, a Public Inquiry “a decade after Shand” to investigate the drivers of local government costs, support NZ First’s racing policy, work towards a Free Trade Agreement with the Russia-Belarus-Kazakhstan Customs Union, record a Cabinet minute regarding the lack of process followed prior to the National-led government sponsorship of UNSC2334, concerning the Israeli settlements in Palestinian territories occupied since 1967

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    • PDB

       /  24th October 2017

      “Minimum wage: Increase to $20 an hour by 2020, with the final increase to take effect in April 2021”

      That’s a major increase in a short time frame that doesn’t take into account all the pay rises that people will require who already earn $20/hr & has no science behind it to see if such an increase in warranted. A few $ an/hour is still not going to motivate the long-term unemployed, especially if the new govt also increase benefits and/or reduce the obligations of being on a benefit.

      Watch unemployment rise with each increase.

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      • Corky

         /  24th October 2017

        I notice Jacinda has put some caveats on that policy. She has given herself an opt out clause.

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        • Corky

           /  24th October 2017

          ”Education: Restore funding for gifted students .”

          That’s going to be a problem. Schools hate gifted children. All kids are special to them. Gifted kids ask too many questions and can show up teachers poor training.

          Gifted children really need something like a Charter School where focused lessons can push them intellectually, while being free of the constraints ordinary education imposes.

          Oh, Charter Schools..hmmm.

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    • PDB

       /  24th October 2017

      “support NZ First’s racing policy”

      Sounds dodgy……

      http://www.nzfirst.org.nz/racing

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    • Blazer

       /  24th October 2017

      Wonderful. .just wonderful.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  24th October 2017

      The tax on bottled water reminds me of the Minerals Resource Rent Tax in Australia so that “Australians would share in the profits from their resources”. Forecast to bring in $6B annually actual revenue was $200M with running costs of $20M and set up costs of $50M.

      It was repealed but the mining industry collapsed anyway.

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  8. PDB

     /  24th October 2017

    Greens/Labour agreement – no mention if this is dependent upon Winston giving the OK.

    Here are some of the big parts of the Green Party/Labour confidence and supply agreement:

    Introduce a Zero Carbon Act with a goal of net zero emissions by 2050 
    A referendum on personal cannabis use by 2020
    Establish and independent Climate Commission. This would have the power to bring agricultural emissions in but would not do this immediately
    All new legislation to have a climate impact assessment analysis
    Investigate a Green Transport Card to reduce public transport costs
    Reprioritise spending towards rail and cycle infrastructure
    Stop the Auckland East-West link
    Begin work on light rail to the airport in Auckland
    “Significantly increase” the Department of Conservation’s funding
    Remove “excessive” benefit sanctions
    Make progress on eliminating the gender pay gap within the core public sector
    A rent-to-own scheme as part of KiwiBuild
    Re-establish the Mental Health Commission
    A wind-down on the government-subsidised irrigation 

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    • PDB

       /  24th October 2017

      The Green Party will also hold these portfolios:
      Climate Change
      Associate Finance
      Associate Transport
      Conservation
      Women
      Land Information New Zealand
      Associate Environment
      Associate Health
      Undersecretary to the Minister of Justice (Domestic and Sexual Violence)

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      • robertguyton

         /  24th October 2017

        Superb! That’s a lot of influence!!!

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        • PDB

           /  24th October 2017

          Most of the policies already announced as part of the Labour-Winston agreement, portfolios generally of little influence, especially when Winston has to give the go-ahead for them being able to do anything in them – enjoy!

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          • robertguyton

             /  24th October 2017

            PDB – can you provide us a list of policies National will be enacting over the next three years?
            Hang on….

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          • PDB

             /  24th October 2017

            Like a moth to the flame…….

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  24th October 2017

          None of them in Cabinet.

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          • PDB

             /  24th October 2017

            Maybe the drinks cabinet to assist the Greens party and their supporters in swallowing their pride?

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          • robertguyton

             /  24th October 2017

            And Alan, the names of the National Party Ministers who will be sitting around the Government Cabinet table?
            Hang on…

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            • PDB

               /  24th October 2017

              The irony of course is that National (even ACT) has as many people at the cabinet table as the Greens even though the Greens are part of the new govt! Hilarious!

  9. PDB

     /  24th October 2017

    Stuff: “Ardern is asked about removing benefit sanctions. She confirms the “naming of the father” rule will be one of the sanctions they will look to change.”

    I don’t care what party you belong to but this is a terrible policy that only encourages fathers to avoid the financial responsibilities of having children. They should be toughening up on conditions, not relaxing them.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  24th October 2017

      The only bright side is that Asian immigrants believe in looking after their families but this policy will ensure that children living in poverty will increase, benefit costs will increase and irresponsible behaviour will be encouraged.

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  10. Zedd

     /  24th October 2017

    I heard M Boag, (Natz commentator/attack-dog) on AM show this am. ranting/attacking Winston.. I had to laugh when another person said (paraphrased) ‘YES, but you were all willing to work with him, post election. Its only now you are bad-mouthing him !’ (because he went with Labour) 😀

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  11. PDB

     /  24th October 2017

    Stuff: “James Shaw says he changed his mind – having previously said repeatedly during the campaign that a three way coalition would be the most stable: Hence the supply and confidence rather than full coalition deal.”

    Sorry James, but Winston didn’t give you a choice in the matter considering he didn’t even bother to speak to you – nice try to save face though!

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    • Gezza

       /  24th October 2017

      Well he may as well be pragmatic about it. And if spinning a little bit of bull already is anything to go by he’s got the hang of one of the essentials of a Cabinet post now.

      I agree though. Managing the relationship between The Greens & The Vice-Regal is going to be a Herculanean ask for the New Queen. Palace intrigue & infighting could well be on the cards.

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  12. Alan Wilkinson

     /  24th October 2017

    Stop building roads so our infrastructure will stay third world unless Shane and Winston put the boot in.

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  13. Alan Wilkinson

     /  24th October 2017

    It’s another huge bonanza for paper pushers. Consultants of all kinds will be drooling and staffing up.

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  14. Zedd

     /  24th October 2017

    breaking news; the parliament has not even yet begun.. maybe ALL youz assassins/attack-dogs need to take a deep breath.. & wait for it to start first (before total insanity strikes) ? 😀

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    • PDB

       /  24th October 2017

      Like Blazer you will be in super spin mode when it does……..Personally I’m looking forward to it, zero-suicides and no material child poverty here we come!

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      • Zedd

         /  24th October 2017

        deep breath in & out… in & out… in & out… feel better yet pantZi ?? 🙂 😀

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  24th October 2017

      I’m curious why you stay where you are if you really believe in climate change alarmism, Zedd? Surely you know south Dunedin is imminently going under the waves?

      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/environment/news/article.cfm?c_id=39&objectid=11935975

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      • Zedd

         /  24th October 2017

        @AW

        I think your more ‘alarmist’ than I..

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  24th October 2017

          Not at all, Zedd. I’m happily 50 m above sea level. But I think a tsunami is a far, far more likely threat than climate change.

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          • Zedd

             /  24th October 2017

            .. this has what; to do with this topic ?

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  24th October 2017

              Really?

              Environment: Move to an emissions-free government-vehicle fleet by 2025/26, introduce a Zero Carbon Act and independent Climate Commission, which will consider including agriculture into the ETS
              ….
              Establish and independent Climate Commission. This would have the power to bring agricultural emissions in but would not do this immediately
              All new legislation to have a climate impact assessment analysis

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  24th October 2017

        Alternatively they could send someone to Holland to figure out how they do wet stuff. But I’m sure they would rather spend trillions on achieving absolutely nothing.

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  15. PDB

     /  24th October 2017

    In other related news…..

    Stuff: “BREAKING: Bill English has confirmed he’s been re-elected leader of National’

    “We will hold (the next government) to account on the high expectations they have created, says English.”

    “No one contested his leadership, English adds. And he is committed to leading the party to the next election.”

    Strong opposition – something NZ hasn’t had for 9 years.

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    • robertguyton

       /  24th October 2017

      Opposition – the also-rans – I’m mindful of the TV ad National ran pre-election loss; blue-clad runners, running…

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      • PDB

         /  24th October 2017

        You’re sounding more and more desperate each post Robert – must troll harder.

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  16. Alan Wilkinson

     /  24th October 2017

    I bet they give the waka-jumping bill priority. Otherwise three votes stand between them and oblivion.

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  17. robertguyton

     /  24th October 2017

    How do other “lefties” feel about this?
    Here’s Ann, from The Standard:
    “Just a quick general comment at this stage:

    Wow oh wow! Both press conferences were outstanding. Jacinda looks and speaks as though she has been in the job for years. She was born to be PM. James Shaw spoke so eloquently and the consensus and respect he and Jacinda have for each other comes through loud and clear.

    It feels real now. This country is going to change. Once again we will become the envy of the rest of the world.”

    Very pleased, I’d say 🙂

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    • PDB

       /  24th October 2017

      She conveniently forgot to mention that other 72 year old gentleman at the press conference running the whole show……

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      • robertguyton

         /  24th October 2017

        Ahhh! Now I see, PDB!
        You’re suffering WPDS – Winston Peters Derangement Syndrome.
        You poor soul. It’s incurable, I’m afraid. We’ll have to bear your affliction in mind whenever we respond to your tearing of hair and gnashing of teeth.
        Where, I wonder, is ol’ Keepin’ Stock?
        He’s a sitter for WPDS!

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    • Gezza

       /  24th October 2017

      How do other “lefties” feel about this?
      I have a pretty good idea of how they probably feel about it because while I’m not a lefty I can generally see & understand the lefty position.

      But if you really want to know how lefties feel, best bet might be to ask Corky? He seems to think anyone to either side of alt right is a lefty?

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  18. duperez

     /  24th October 2017

    God will be so confused in the election aftermath. After a couple of years of hearing pleas in the daily prayer routines for more Christchurch degree earthquakes there will be different entreaties.

    “Please don’t let there be Christchurch style earthquakes,” will come from those who begged for the opposite before September 23rd, then, “Please make the country fail so we can blame the MMP government.”

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