Modest wins but big possibilities for the Greens

Compared to NZ First the Greens had modest wins on policy and ministerial positions, but they still have a big opportunity to achieve some of their goals.

Their ministerial appointments:

James Shaw

  • Minister for Climate Change
  • Minister of Statistics
  • Associate Minister of Finance

Dealing with climate change is Shaw’s big ambition and he now has a chance to do that, especially given similar ambitions of Labour (Jacinda Ardern has named it as the ‘nuclear issue’ of the current generation) and NZ First.

I don’t know whether he will have a major influence with Grant Robertson in Finance (they know each other well, having competed in the Wellington Central electorate for three elections now.

But it will be invaluable for a Green leader and MP to learn the realities of juggling needs, wants and not a bottomless pit of money, compared to the naive idealism of many Greens.

Julie Anne Genter

  • Minister for Women
  • Associate Minister of Health
  • Associate Minister of Transport

Learning the ropes as a Minister for Women will be useful experience, but Genter may make most impact as an Associate.

Minister of Transport Phil Twyford has a huge workload (Housing and Urban Development) so Genter, recognised within the transportation industry as an expert, may contribute strongly.

And as Associate Minister of Health I presume she will take over the role Peter Dunne had dealing with drugs, both medicinal and recreational.

There is a promise to lift restrictions on medicinal cannabis almost immediately, plus a promise of a referendum on recreational cannabis. There is also support across Labour, NZ First and Greens to treat all drug problems as more of a health issue than a crime issue.

On these issues Genter may be a high profile and popular Associate Minister.

Eugenie Sage

  • Minister of Conservation
  • Minister for Land Information
  • Associate Minister for the Environment

Despite a low profile Sage is probably one of the more sensible and better respected Green MPs. She has a background in Forest & Bird and Environment Canterbury.

She will be working with Minister for the Environment David Parker, who has a very heavy workload with other portfolios, but also alongside another associate Minister Nanaia Mahuta.

Jan Logie

  • Parliamentary Under-Secretary to the Minister of Justice (Domestic and Sexual Violence Issues)

A relatively minor role but an important one. Sexual violences issues have been addressed a bit better than in the past but still neglected too much, with support organisations struggling for funding. Logie could make a real difference here, and if she does she will be applauded by many. She will need to take care she doesn’t alienate a demographic that she needs to have onside with her – men.

As stated these are fairly modest responsibilities compared to what NZ First MPs have, but they enable the Greens to address core issues they have been championing from Opposition for two decades.

If they do things well they could make a significant difference.  Perhaps their biggest challenge is transitioning from being advocates and activists and critics to very different roles as movers and shakers.

I hope they succeed in shaking things up and moving New Zealand society in a better direction.

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  1. sorethumb

     /  26th October 2017

    Jan Logie

    Parliamentary Under-Secretary to the Minister of Justice (Domestic and Sexual Violence Issues)
    ………
    There is a backlash against the ideology she represents.

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  2. sorethumb

     /  26th October 2017

    James Shaw

    Minister for Climate Change
    ……..
    He will require help from RNZ, not to ask pertinent questions given their aversion to seeing population as a problem.
    https://croakingcassandra.com/2017/07/13/mbies-analysis-on-how-emissions-reductions-targets-interact-with-immigration/

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    • Blazer

       /  26th October 2017

      population is definately not a problem in NZ..infrastructure is .Short sighted governments ,that did not plan for the future are responsible for that.

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      • High Flying Duck

         /  26th October 2017

        That has been a NZ trait for over 100 years…but now we will have trams! TRAMS! to Mt Roskill no less!

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        • Blazer

           /  26th October 2017

          you would rather be stuck in traffic.Todays trams are sleek,modern people movers.

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          • DaveK

             /  26th October 2017

            Oh yeah trams…that’s definitely Shellbyville kinda talk. It could even put us up there with Brockway and North Haverbrook

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      • sorethumb

         /  26th October 2017

        Population is associated with emissions.Fact. Denser and larger cities may lead to lower per capita emissions but you still have the problem of living standards due to being a distant land based economy where each additional worker has a lower marginal product (and consequent misery imposed on the lower classes) .
        ……….
        Based on a large body of new research evidence and practical experience, the consensus
        among policymakers now is that other factors are more important for per capita growth
        and productivity than migration and population growth. CGE modelling exercises for
        Australia and New Zealand have been influential in reshaping expectations.

        http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/research-policy/wp/2014/14-10

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  3. robertguyton

     /  26th October 2017

    Well written post there, Pete. What a relief it is knowing that those issues will be addressed by people who understand them and are not under direction to bury those issues, as was the case under National. It will be a pleasure to watch those Ministers in the House, describing real actions being undertaken to solve the various challenges we all face, rather than seeing deceitful, duplicitous attempts to dodge, bury and deny they exist, as we saw for 9 years with National in the Government seats. Supporters of National won’t know how frustrating and embarrassing that was; frustrating, knowing that the delay caused by those puffed-up Ministers and their smarmy answers (Key was the worst) was setting the country back years, and embarrassing, as those slippery-answering Ministers were New Zealanders, like the rest of us. Gone now; good thing.

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    • PDB

       /  26th October 2017

      “Supporters of National won’t know how frustrating and embarrassing that was; frustrating, knowing that the delay caused by those puffed-up Ministers and their smarmy answers (Key was the worst) was setting the country back years”

      Probably why the country is in such great shape then Robert!

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      • robertguyton

         /  26th October 2017

        Not in those areas I was discussing, PDB, climate change response being the prime example. Our response, or rather Nationa’s response, has been shameful.

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        • PDB

           /  26th October 2017

          It will be interesting to see what is achieved in the climate change portfolio – making it a portfolio outside of cabinet when Ardern said it was ‘my generation’s nuclear-free moment’ doesn’t appear to be a good start.

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          • robertguyton

             /  26th October 2017

            The Greens hold the Climate Change portfolio?
            James Shaw, Green leader is Minister of Climate Change?
            Has the world gone mad?
            This is all topsy-turvy and can’t be true!!!
            (Right-wingers true inner thoughts)
            The Greens – in GOVERNMENT????
            NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
            (There, chaps. I bet you feel a lot better now that someone’s said it for you).

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      • Conspiratoor

         /  26th October 2017

        Because it’s not sustainable pants. It’s built on sand…

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      • sorethumb

         /  27th October 2017

        Quite a difference between the average incomes and the median. The media has shifted down (relatively). Are the renters losing out to landlords?

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    • sorethumb

       /  26th October 2017

      describing real actions being undertaken to solve the various challenges we all face, rather than seeing deceitful, duplicitous attempts to dodge, bury and deny they exist,
      ……..
      Let me say clearly now: the housing crisis is not the fault of recent migrants;
      http://blog.greens.org.nz/2014/06/03/immigration-the-green-party-perspective/
      Gareth Morgan says the data is clear on migration and house prices
      https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/69997/gareth-morgan-says-data-clear-migration-and-house-prices-he-says-it-numbers-coming-uk

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      • sorethumb

         /  27th October 2017

        I take it thumbs down agrees that migration doesn’t affect house prices despite what The Landlord Says says:

        Meanwhile the National Party released its immigration policy. You may wonder what this means for the property market. It is clear from research that immigration is one of the key drivers of house price growth.
        The logic is simple. If you import more people into the country, then you need more houses. Supply and demand means that prices are then pushed up, this is particularly so in Auckland.
        While the latest immigration numbers show the number of people coming into New Zealand is starting to rise, the Nat’s policy looks like it wants to increase immigration levels even further. (Although it is unclear what sort of number they are targeting.)
        This policy is, arguably, a plus for people who want house prices to rise. (But may be not so good for first home owners wanting to buy.)
        My guess has always been that property investors lean heavily towards the right rather than the left. (This was made clear in an email newsletter I saw from one developer this week.)

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    • alloytoo

       /  26th October 2017

      The Greens collective knowledge on the environment was unceremoniously ejected prior to the election.

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      • robertguyton

         /  26th October 2017

        Your comment, alloytoo, makes no sense to me at all; what do you mean (in other words)?

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  4. Blazer

     /  26th October 2017

    Sharon Zollner ANZ economist
    ‘Yeah, the economy does its own thing to a large extent. I think there’s a bit of a tendency for people to give the government more credit and more blame than it perhaps deserves for the business cycle, which is more driven by exchange rates, interest rates, commodity prices, more than actual fiscal policy’

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    • PDB

       /  26th October 2017

      In your case you gave all the credit to the last Labour govt, all the blame to the last National govt and no doubt all the credit to the new govt.

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      • Blazer

         /  26th October 2017

        Sharon’s opinion,and as an economist ,I thought her views were worth noting.

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  5. Having climate change outside of cabinet shows it’s unimportance to Labour. It’ll take Greenists anew months to cotton on, but they will

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    • PDB

       /  26th October 2017

      I think it shows Winston was so adamant about not having the Greens in cabinet where the big decisions are made that Labour had no choice if they wanted the Greens to have the portfolio.

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  6. Zedd

     /  26th October 2017

    maybe we can now get back on track to ‘clean green, 100% pure’ as a plan; as opposed to just an advertising slogan based on natz ‘clean green DREAM, 100% pure B-S’.. :/

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    • PDB

       /  26th October 2017

      Now about that Kermadec sanctuary……..Green party ideals vrs Winston’s fishing mates and major donors. Winston with major political power & the Greens with minimal political clout – who’d you think will win? and if Winston gets his way is this an example of the new govt being ‘clean green, 100% pure’?

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      • robertguyton

         /  26th October 2017

        Your “take” on the Kermadec issue is immature, PDB. We could discuss it, if you were to spend some time studying what’s really involved and maturing your outlook. Try reading up on The Greens position and previous statements, especially those involving National’s insincere lack of consultation and The Greens own belief in the importance of full consultation prior to declaring such big issues as the Kermadec proposal.
        (Not holding my breath)

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        • I regard “immature” as completely subjective adjective Robert. It verges on personally abusive I know PDB doesn’t care at all, but I do. Try words like “however in my opinion”, “I see it otherwise”.

          As for your standpoint on this issue. Hansard is quite clear on this issue.

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          • robertguyton

             /  26th October 2017

            And what did “Hansard” record?

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          • robertguyton

             /  26th October 2017

            And in any case, “Your “take” … is immature” (that is, hasn’t matured yet).
            I could have said, “You are immature, PDB”, but of course, didn’t. Had I, your objection would be valid. As I didn’t, it’s not (I politely point out).

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            • PDB

               /  26th October 2017

              Letting yourself down again Robert – perhaps you should stick to ‘The Standard’ where anybody not sucking on the far-left wing Kool-aid is simply banned from posting?

              Robert: “Your “take” on the Kermadec issue is immature, PDB.”

              This from a bloke madly spanning this site with ‘we won, you lost’ 5 year old, playground style.

              You are being naïve if you think Winston is going to not look after his fishing donors & mates over the sanctuary issue. The Greens cared so much about the sanctuary they signed up to the new govt not knowing if the sanctuary had been axed or not as part of NZL First/Labour negotiations.

            • robertguyton

               /  26th October 2017

              My take is that The Greens had huge reservations (little joke there, PDB) about the way National went about the Kermadec “business”, especially where Maori were ignored, and wanted the process done properly. That’s what they are asking for now. Winston’s involvement with the fisheries industry and his role in the Government is something they will doubtless factor in to their new position. I imagine The Greens would want a protection for the Kermadec “zone’ and fairness in the process of attempting to secure it. They’re curious in the way they have principles and stick to them, aye!

            • PDB

               /  26th October 2017

              “They’re curious in the way they have principles and stick to them, aye!”

              You mean like calling a political party ‘racist’ but in the same breath saying that isn’t a barrier to forming a govt with them?

            • robertguyton

               /  26th October 2017

              Did they call the Party “racist” or did they say that something Winston said was “racist”?
              I’m interested in your response.

            • PDB

               /  26th October 2017

              The Greens called NZl First immigration policy ‘racist’, therefore if that is the case then NZl First & its leader must be ‘racist’ by association.

              Winston certainly took it that way (stuff: “”My warning to the Greens is don’t call New Zealand First racist – an allegation that is spurious – and think there won’t be consequences.”), as did far left-wing blogger Martyn Bradbury – https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2017/07/12/so-if-the-greens-sit-down-with-nz-first-in-a-government-after-calling-them-racist-does-that-make-the-greens-hypocrites/

            • robertguyton

               /  26th October 2017

              “The Greens called NZl First immigration policy ‘racist’, therefore if that is the case then NZl First & its leader must be ‘racist’ by association.”
              Piffle and typical of the poor logic you employ. I really feel I’m wasting my time with you, PDM. I apologise for wasting yours.

            • PDB

               /  26th October 2017

              So if a political party has a ‘racist’ policy they are promoting there is a possibility that political party isn’t racist? With logic like that I suggest you stick to gardening & go back to talking to the plants. Spreading manure & digging yourself a large hole seems to be your forte?

      • Zedd

         /  26th October 2017

        @PDB

        its called MMP politics.. one thing is certain; The Greens will likely get more gains under this Govt., than the previous smug bunch 🙂

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        • PDB

           /  26th October 2017

          I think the Greens clearly could have got far more out of National then the scraps they appear to have settled for from Labour.

          Winston has made it quite clear he has only signed a deal to govern with Labour – the Greens to him are Labour’s concern to ensure they vote along with policy agreed between Labour & NZL first. How humiliating must it be for the Greens when the third party in their arrangement won’t even talk to them?

          Is this really a recipe for ‘stable govt’? If the Greens continue to swallow their pride & go along with the Winston show it will be.

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          • robertguyton

             /  26th October 2017

            As for what The Greens might have got from National, I do know what they received for years and years from National MPs in the House and in the media – abuse and denigration. Why National ever thought they could woo The Greens after years of abusing them, I can understand but don’t agree to. I know staunch right-wingers literally can’t see why The Greens turned down the offer from their abusers, as I’ve talked to many who say that and I accept that they can’t see it, at all. It’s one of life’s mysteries, that blindness exhibited by tribal folk such as those found throughout the political world. It’s actually something I’m really interested in: the possibility of people from different political tribes, talking in a way that brings clarity of understanding to all involved, through discussion and debate. Blogs kinda try to sort of do that, but fail in almost every instance. It’s unsatisfying to me. I think about what “you guys” say, try to understand why you would take such positions on issues, but bridging the gap is too much for a forum like this, I think. I belong to a “talk group” that gets closer to what I’m describing than any forum I’ve been in, and each of us thoroughly enjoys the weekly “moot”, though we are from very diverse backgrounds; a minister of the cloth, a dairy farmer, an insurance broker and so on. Anyway, you lost, we won (just joking – true though, still joking)

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            • PDB

               /  26th October 2017

              Many of us centre-right folk work in the environmental field (as I do) but could never vote for the Greens whilst they peddle far-left wing socialist policies such as no obligation welfare payments. The lie often said is that you cant be a non left-wing supporter and also support the environment.

              Two of the Greens most environmentally aware MP’s resigned over the Turei saga and were shamefully publically vilified by their own party for doing so.

              The biggest abuser of the Green party over the years has been a certain Winston Peter’s who continues to belittle them by not even speaking to them but the Greens signed up with him. Therefore your abuser statement regarding National holds no water. In fact the Greens this year called NZL First out as ‘racist’ but again are more than happy to be in govt with them.

              A Green party solely focused on environmental issues that would work with any party to secure the most ‘wins’ for the environment would get a lot of support.

            • Blazer

               /  26th October 2017

              the Greens were treated with contempt by National…e.g…’the Greens are…barking mad”.

            • PDB

               /  26th October 2017

              I dare say Winston hates the Greens more than National (at least National would talk to them), as does Shane Jones who quit Labour because he couldn’t work with the Greens anymore as he said they were too “anti-industry”.

            • robertguyton

               /  26th October 2017

              PDB said: “Two of the Greens most environmentally aware MP’s…”
              Care to back up your claim with some facts, PDB.? I knew both gentlemen and had socialised, talked with, spent time with, both. I’m interested to see if you know what you are talking about. I also know many of the other Green MPs, so can compare what you say with what I know of those, in terms of being “environmentally aware”.

            • PDB

               /  26th October 2017

              So you are happy with how the Green Party turned on them and ran them out of the party for expressing a view that the majority of New Zealanders agreed with?

            • robertguyton

               /  26th October 2017

              You going to back up your claim about Kennedy and David? Or not?

        • robertguyton

           /  26th October 2017

          I think you are entirely wrong about The Greens and their choices. In any case, the choice was theirs and they will have considered it to far greater depth than you, PDB. Your interpretations of “what Winston thinks, thought, did, will do” are nothing more than “thinks” and jaundiced at that; you don’t like him and it clouds your thinking. I prefer to wait and see what eventuates, while at the same time listening to what The Greens say about each issue. I think that will give me a more solid picture of what’s really happening, rather than accepting your “reckons”. Fair enough? I’ve been following closely the progress of The Greens for many years and have had in depth conversations with many of their MPs and candidates, so measuring what you say against what I know of their views doesn’t take much effort.

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          • PDB

             /  26th October 2017

            Hate to break it to you but “Your NZ is for discussing New Zealand social  issues and politics, for debating, informing and getting feedback from anyone who is interested in participating.”

            Hence issues are debated as they occur and each person is entitled to an opinion. Your mistake is in thinking your opinion is more valid than anybody else’s even though you have very little/no knowledge of what experience a poster may have on any particular subject.

            Robert: “you don’t like him and it clouds your thinking.” – therefore your undying love of the Greens clouds yours.

            Robert: “In any case, the choice was theirs and they will have considered it to far greater depth than you, PDB.”

            They signed up to a three-way govt where they admitted they had no idea what was agreed to between NZl First/Labour with Ardern also later confirming negotiations between themselves and the Greens & NZL First were done ‘blindly’ – this has been widely reported as fact. The Greens only found out what was agreed between NZL First & Labour when the rest of the general public found out hence your statement is incorrect as they had nothing to base any discussion around.

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            • robertguyton

               /  26th October 2017

              *sighs

            • PDB

               /  26th October 2017

              Your best post since becoming a regular on this site Robert – have an uptick!

            • robertguyton

               /  26th October 2017

              You might be right, PDB. I certainly regret having spent so much time explaining my thoughts further up the thread – time entirely wasted, it transpires. Should’ve stayed out in the garden, where I’m clearing some space for a big teepee. It’ll be a great place for a conference; a parliament of owls, perhaps?

  7. Gerrit

     /  26th October 2017

    Greens are not going to be helped by some crazy talk seen during the one news tonight. A claim by climate change advocate that sea levels in New Zealand had risen by 15 to 20 centimeters (150 to 200mm) That is an outright lie and if the Greens don’t stamp out those types of lies the whole movement will lack accountability.

    One reported falsehood will destroy any credibility the climate change advocates may have.

    And no journalist questioned this “false news”. Where is their common sense?

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    • robertguyton

       /  26th October 2017

      “One reported falsehood will destroy any credibility the climate change advocates may have.”
      Really?
      Does that mean that one reported falsehood will destroy any credibility the climate change deniers may have?

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  8. robertguyton

     /  26th October 2017

    Climate Cheating a new low for New Zealand’s Integrity
    Gareth MorganApril 26, 2016Environment0 Comments
    “The new Minister for Climate Change, Paula Bennett has emphatically demonstrated her selective ethics while in New York signing the Paris Accord on Climate Change. The issue she inherits is that New Zealand under the governance of Tim Groser cheated and cheated badly on it its climate change commitments. No other country has cheated anywhere near to the extent that New Zealand has and this is the legacy our new Ambassador to the United States has left.

    New Zealanders have not got an established reputation as cheats and so for this performance by Groser, endorsed by Bennett to be fobbed off as all in the past and of no consequence now is new territory for New Zealand – and no doubt will be of marked interest to Transparency International which has already marked New Zealand down of late for bad behaviour over the ETS, increased redacting of OIA requests, secrecy around the TPPA process – and with our role in the Panama Papers yet to be counted.”

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