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31 October 2017

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29 Comments

  1. Gezza

     /  October 31, 2017
    • barryglik

       /  October 31, 2017

      C’mon Geez that is terrible. You don’t need four replays. There is clear evidence of downward pressure. Award the try already 🙂

    • Pickled Possum

       /  October 31, 2017

      Hahahahaha I could go on and on as I am often doan, but you get the drift. 🙂
      Music just adds to the impending gloom of the nut and the nut cracker is sweet.

  2. lurcher1948

     /  October 31, 2017

    LOCK TRUMP UP…

    • Gezza

       /  October 31, 2017

      Could we have a specific reason please – or is your list of them too just too bloody long to post now, Lurchy? 😳

      • lurcher1948

         /  October 31, 2017

        Lock him up and go through his books plus it would keep him off the golf course,finally does one really need a reason?

        • Gezza

           /  October 31, 2017

          Yeah, pretty much. I think Judges generally tend to prefer them before they sentence someone to the pokey, Lurchy.

  3. Conspiratoor

     /  October 31, 2017

    Here’s one even national’s fan boys and girls will find it hard to grizzle about

    Early days but we finally appear to have a government prepared to take a hard line on crime, with labour embracing NZ First’s law and order platform, even enshrining it in the coalition agreement

    “arguably one of the most right-wing flourishes of the new government, with the express intention of striving “towards adding 1800 new police officers over three years”, while committing “to a serious focus on combating organised crime and drugs

    The monumental scale of this projected boost to our blue line has incredulously escaped the attention of the news media, not receiving the recognition it warrants. You may recall that after several years of bloody-minded denial, National finally agreed to increase policing numbers with Budget 2017 providing funding for 880 extra sworn officers over four years”

    I’m liking the cut of Stuart’s jib…

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/98370129/police-minister-stuart-nash-keen-to-smash-gang-activity

    • How many Ministers have threatened to smash gang activity? How successful have they been? What will Nash do differently?

      • Conspiratoor

         /  October 31, 2017

        You young folks have no patience…

        Further details will be released by the Police Commissioner and Minister early in the new year

      • Corky

         /  October 31, 2017

        ”What will Nash do differently.”

        Nothing. He made comments earlier in the year about crime that were quite correct. There was a media blacklash and he apologised. Sounds like a typical Leftie to me, with a spine waiting for a shiver to climb up.

      • barryglik

         /  October 31, 2017

        Yes every Gov’t these past 30 years promised (insert your preferred number of new police personal) to deal with (insert your most despised criminal activities)#1.
        A year or two downstream the same Gov’t announces dramatic decrease in crime “stats” due to said policies. Of course opposition simultaneously publishes shocking crime “stats” explaining that a change of Gov’t is needed to “arrest” (see what I did there) the problem. Rinse and repeat .
        #1 mad comic used to parody political pronouncements so well (probably still does) I don’t know I have not read a Mad since ’75 cause they cost so much 🙂

        • Gezza

           /  October 31, 2017

          Just keep coming here & see some of the comments & memes n stuff, from monkey nuts & others.
          It’s a helluva lot like reading MAD, in my humble opinion.
          There’s some intelligent, thoughtful commenters as well.
          Best poltical blog in the country, this one, Barry.
          Only the intellgentsia post here!

          • lurcher1948

             /  October 31, 2017

            I feel like composing a poem after those inspiring words Gezza

            • Gezza

               /  October 31, 2017

              Looking forward to seeing that, Lurch mate.
              I haven’t heard back from Corky yet about whether I can order 3 advance copies of his impending book about you.
              Will he be sending you an autographed freebie as a thank you?

        • Conspiratoor

           /  October 31, 2017

          Easy enough to sit at a keyboard and be cynical barry.

          However take a look at the increase in police numbers under labour and compare and contrast with national’s tenure. If you can’t summon up the energy let me know and I’ll do it for you. But it will have to wait until I’ve finished beating the bastards back

          • Gezza

             /  October 31, 2017

            These bastards you’re always having to beat back, c.
            Staff, Management, Contractors, Customers, or Creditors?

    • Pickled Possum

       /  October 31, 2017

      Stuart Nash is living in Gangster Land in Hawkes Bay.

      Why Are police doing the job of mental health …
      Loss of real budgets in Mental Health maybe?

      “Figures show police attend an average 74 mental health-related cal louts a day – for three hours at a time.
      “Police have no power to enforce the Mental Health Act on private property.”

      “Former police officer and crisis negotiator Lance Burdett believes police charging a mentally ill person in order to get them before a judge is an anomaly.
      Sometimes we try and find an offence to secure that person to put them before a judge so they can say this person is unwell, you need to take control of this person.
      He believes it is up to the courts to make the decision on any criminal activity a mentally ill person may have committed, not police.”

      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/98240579/Police-lay-charges-against-100-plus-people-who-attempt-suicide-or-suffer-mental-health-crises

  4. Stephen Franks has a stellar piece on his blog.

    “Common sense we may not see in New Zealand for long three years”
    Allison Pearson in the Telegraph has a blistering response to the UK Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation‘s urging that the UK should welcome back young jihadists for integration. Entitled “How do you solve a problem like returning jihadis? I’ve got a pretty good idea” she excoriates Max Hill QC’s naivete.

    Allison celebrates instead the refreshing bluntness of the UK Minister for International Development, Rory Stewart. who told BBC Radio Five Live that British Isil fghters should be killed in Syria, rather than be allowed to return to the UK.
    ”These are people who have essentially moved away from any kind of allegiance towards the British government” he said.
    “They are absolutely dedicated towards the creation of a caliphate, they believe in an extremely hateful doctrine that involves killing themselves, killing others and trying to use violence and brutality to create an 8th-century state”.
    “These people have held women and children hostage, are torturing and murdering, trying by violence to impose their will. They are a serious danger to us, and unfortunately the only way of dealing with them will be, in almost every case, to kill them.”

    Pearson goes on: 

    “I mean, what could possibly go wrong with integrating a few hundred extremists returning from a war zone?
    Jihadists who, according to Max Hill’s generous interpretation, “have travelled out of a sense of naivety, possibly with some brainwashing”?
    After all, we have so much money to spend on counselling wannabe suicide bombers after paying for the monitoring of 3,000 extremists already in the UK who are considered a direct threat by MI5 with 500 under constant costly surveillance.
    Mr Hill’s suggestion would be alarming at any time, but it came in the same week that Andrew Parker, the head of MI5, warned that Britain was facing the worst terrorist threat he had seen in his 34-year career.
    There had been a ‘dramatic upshift’ in attacks this year, he admitted, resulting in the murder of 36 men, women and children in London and Manchester. Some 20 plots in the UK have been foiled over the past four years with a record number of terrorism-related arrests: 379 in the year to June.
    These are truly deafening figures. Yet, so often, the reaction of the authorities is to stick their fingers in their ears and act as if this dire threat from an enemy living among us were somehow normal like when London mayor Sadiq Khan said that terror attacks are “part and parcel of living in a big city”. As if bombing young girls at a pop concert were just a bad traffic jam.
    It’s not jihadists who are guilty of naivety, possibly with some brainwashing. Increasingly, it’s the governing class of this country…”

    Pearson refers to other PC idiots:

    “ Moral contortionists like those fools at the Foreign Office who said that the term “pregnant women” in a draft UN human rights paper should be changed to “pregnant people” because the former could “exclude transgender people who have given birth”.
    In other words, British civil servants think it’s OK to promote a policy that is grossly offensive to half the population who, for very good reason, have the monopoly on getting up the duff. This, in order to spare the feelings of trans people who have got pregnant. All two of them. Yes, two.
    The gulf between what the man on the street thinks and those in authority believe has never been wider.

    She mentions the realism of France:

    “When Francois Hollande, the former French president, told his security services that he didn’t want a single jihadist returning to the country, it was perfectly clear what he meant, and the French people were right behind him.”

    She pins blame on the left though IMHO the timid right is just as guilty.
    “Only a populace that has been enfeebled by the drip-drip of warped, self-hating Leftist propaganda would not wish to see British Forces take the same decisive action.
    Unlike Max Hill, I could not care less about losing a generation of young people who went [to join Isil] before attempting to come back to the UK.”

    Pearson reminds us who really pays to price for ruling class sanctimony:

    “I mind very much about one friend of a friend. Lisa Roussos was seriously injured in the blast at Manchester Arena that killed her eight-year-old daughter, Saffie Rose. So far, Lisa has had nine operations to remove the bolts which were embedded in every part of her body.
    Her hand had to be reconstructed. Not only has she lost her little girl, the family have lost their fish and chip shop, and the flat above it that they called home. They are destroyed, emotionally and financially.
    If there is any money for rehabilitation, it should go to innocent victims like Lisa Roussos and her family, not to returning jihadists who sympathise with the killer of Saffie Rose.

    And while we’re about it, Rory Stewart should be put in charge of counter-terrorism. Amazingly, this is a politician who understands that the human rights of the British people matter more than those of our enemies.”

    Will the Rt Hon Winston Peters (Statesman) be free to call it as we see it? Will Ron Mark be gagged as a Minister? Will the PM swoon if they do express the views of ordinary people?

    The Coalition Agreement has a puzzling provision that seems expressly designed to let Winston punish our last Foreign Minister for a craven conspiracy with peoples who despise our values, to kick Israel. If he needs permission set out in the Coalition Agreement, what else is now forbidden?

    http://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/common-sense-we-may-not-see-in-new-zealand-for-long-three-years/

    • Gezza

       /  October 31, 2017

      I’ve given that an uptick for all the sensible content about never allowing former ISIS members back into your country under any circumstances. But if his last para is about pretending Zionist thugs in Israel have no responsibility for the mess that Hamas exploits in Occupied Palestine, it’s wasted on anybody who knows the situation.

  5. lurcher1948

     /  October 31, 2017
  6. patupaiarehe

     /  October 31, 2017

    I remember reading about this when it happened. A terrible tragedy, which cut a young life short. However, holding the director of a company responsible for the fatal mistakes of a subcontractor, or an employee, is thoroughly wrong, IMHO…
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11938652
    I regularly ‘drill it in’, to the men who work under me, that “You are responsible for your own safety, and the safety of those who work around you. Take 5 minutes to look around, BEFORE you do anything, and just think about what could go wrong. Because if it can, it just might do so”.
    Welding up a tank, that you haven’t personally witnessed being gas tested beforehand, is a recipe for disaster. Sorry to say it, but this ‘accident’ was a case of ‘involuntary suicide’…