“Fox feels like an extension of the Trump White House.”

I watch the Fox feed on Twitter, and they seem to be very strong defenders of President Trump, and are frequently critical of Hillary Clinton. Trump tweets and Fox tweets often seem to be in synch.

CNN: ‘I want to quit’: Fox News employees say their network’s Russia coverage was ‘an embarrassment’

Some employees at Fox News were left embarrassed and humiliated by their network’s coverage of the latest revelations in special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian election meddling, according to conversations CNN had with several individuals placed throughout the network.

“I’m watching now and screaming,” one Fox News personality said in a text message to CNN as the person watched their network’s coverage. “I want to quit.”

“It is another blow to journalists at Fox who come in every day wanting to cover the news in a fair and objective way,” one senior Fox News employee told CNN of their outlet’s coverage, adding that there were “many eye rolls” in the newsroom over how the news was covered.

The person said, “Fox feels like an extension of the Trump White House.”

The employees spoke to CNN on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly on the matter. A Fox News spokesperson told CNN the network covered the breaking news accurately and fairly across both news and opinion programming.

Of course Fox probably claim that CNN is slanted the other way, and they may well be.

This type of coverage is common:

Trump distances himself from indictments, says Papadopoulos has ‘proven to be a liar’

President Trump said “low level” campaign volunteer George Papadopoulos has “already proven to be a liar,” again promising “no collusion,” and urged the special counsel to …

And this:

The truth about Trump and the Manafort indictment

Special Counsel Robert Mueller indicted former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort for tax fraud on Monday, and the main charge against Donald Trump is poor judgment for hiring the notorious Beltway operator.

The indictment accuses Mr. Manafort (and business partner Richard Gates ) of funneling money from a pro-Russia party in Ukraine into offshore shell companies and bank accounts. They then allegedly used these accounts to fund their spending habits, neglecting to declare the money to the IRS.

The most striking news is that none of this involves the 2016 election campaign. The indictment makes clear that Mr. Manafort’s work for Ukraine and his money transfers ended in 2014. The 2016 charges are related to false statements Mr. Manafort made to the Justice Department.

But there is some balance if you look for it:

Trump unsteady with base as Mueller storm sets in

…the real concern for Trump is whether he has enough political support to weather what promises to be a punishing ordeal for him and his administration.

The hope among Republicans had been that they would be farther along in their agenda before this inevitable moment arrived. Trump and his party imagined that policy victories would provide a shock-absorbing cushion of popularity support for the president before Mueller inserted the scalpel.

Key takeaways from new Russia charges –Lawfare: “The first big takeaway from this morning’s flurry of charging and plea documents with respect to Paul Manafort Jr.Richard Gates III, and George Papadopoulos is this: The President of the United States had as his campaign chairman a man who had allegedly served for years as an unregistered foreign agent for a puppet government of Vladimir Putin, a man who was allegedly laundering remarkable sums of money even while running the now-president’s campaign, a man who allegedly lied about all of this to the FBI and the Justice Department.

The second big takeaway is even starker: A member of President Trump’s campaign team now admits that he was working with people he knew to be tied to the Russian government to ‘arrange a meeting between the Campaign and the Russian government officials’ and to obtain ‘dirt’ on Hillary Clinton in the form of thousands of hacked emails—and that he lied about these activities to the FBI. He briefed President Trump on at least some them.”

Papadopoulos fell for claim that Russian was Putin’s niece –Daily Beast: “Days after becoming a foreign policy advisor for the Trump campaign in 2016, George Papadopoulos started meeting with a woman he believed to be Vladimir ‘Putin’s niece,’ according to a newly unsealed indictment by special counsel Robert Mueller.

… Maybe, the woman said, she could even get the two men to meet face-to- face. … Bu the woman was not, in fact, Putin’s relative. Papadopoulos had, in a sense, been catfished—and then lied about catfishing to federal investigators.”

Trump tends to go to Fox if he wants to give media interviews, and some of the Fox talking heads are strongly pro Trump and anti-Democrat and Clinton.

I don’t expect balance from either Fox or CNN, but if you look for it they can have some useful coverage of the big political events in the US.


  1. Trevors_elbow

     /  November 1, 2017

    Yawwwnnnnnnnnn…… and Hillarys team werent taking oooooodles of cash from the Saudis?

    This is just a long running attritional political approach both sides practice when not in the big house on pennsylvaian ave….


    • Patzcuaro

       /  November 1, 2017

      What about them?

      • Trevors_elbow

         /  November 1, 2017

        See how easy it is to imply something with back up…. if you want to know google is your friend

  2. NOEL

     /  November 1, 2017

    Haven’t we been here before?

  3. unitedtribes2

     /  November 1, 2017

    To be fair to Tapper, CNN’s transition into a hard-left social justice network, something Breitbart News was the first to document and warn about nearly five years ago, has dragged the entire network down, from second place behind Fox News, into last place behind MSNBC.

    Reputation-wise, CNN is now a laughingstock, an embattled fake news factory rocked by endless scandals in its desperate pursuit of President Trump, and the hideous cause of further-empowering the federal government.


    • Patzcuaro

       /  November 1, 2017

      Is this just syptomatic of the polarisation of US politics, the left and right are standing in their corners shouting at each other while the general population try to get on with lives.

  4. Fox is the outlier.

    Every other TV news outlet is fiercely anti-Trump, they were before he was elected and will be to the bitter end. It is only FOX who offer the “other” side.

    The rest the US, including nearly every significant print media offer wall-to-wall anti Trump. CNN, MSNBC,ABC, LAT,NYT, WAPO the list goes on

    • That some employees at Murdoch’s FOX want to jump to the #metoo wagon is unsurprising; there’s none going the other way.

  5. barryglik

     /  November 1, 2017

    At least in the states they have left and right wing media outlets. In NZ its all right wing.

    • PDB

       /  November 1, 2017

      I’m presuming you are being provocative rather than actually believing that to be true. Red radio & most NZ newspapers would be insulted by such an accusation.

      • Gezza

         /  November 1, 2017

        (This, also, is my assumption. There’s a few here like that. No names though.)

      • barryglik

         /  November 1, 2017

        @PDB. ” Being provocative”. Totally offended by your comment. I disagree with you so I can be dismissed as being “provocative”? Really really offended. Red Radio? Never heard of it. Most news papers print what keeps the majority and or the powerful happy. Other wise they would not have a business that’s how it works. I am not going to “presume” why you have your opinions but I will just respect what you say even if I disagree.

        • PDB

           /  November 1, 2017

          Wasn’t too sure if you were click-baiting or not as your statement goes against the common belief that NZ MSM is largely left-wing.

          Stuff: “A 2014 Massey University study, for example, showed that 22 percent of New Zealand journalists considered themselves Centrists. Just 16 percent said they were on the Right and fully 62 percent said they were on the Left.”

          Nothing to do with ‘disrespect’ – I don’t agree with many people on here but I respect their right to say it. Some on here want anybody outside of their left-wing bubble taken off the air like a ZB talkback host they don’t happen to agree with.

          • Gezza

             /  November 1, 2017

            If you mean Lurchy, garn, if they gave Mikey the elbow he’d be shattered!
            He’d be a broken man, sitting there listening to some other boring plonker who couldn’t even get his blood pumping.

    • Barry – you and I see the NZ media quite differently

    • sorethumb

       /  November 1, 2017

      I think a more useful scale is Nationalist – Globalist.
      RNZ and TVNZ seem to have doubled down (globalist) since Brexit and Trump.

  6. PDB

     /  November 1, 2017

    The serious news shows on Fox are ‘fair and balanced’ and not afraid of challenging Trump – what they don’t do is go down the route of many news networks in looking to hammer Trump for every single thing he does, doesn’t do or says.

    Neil Cavuto always reads out correspondence he gets from viewers saying he is a Trump hater & has been quite vocal in criticising Trump when justified. Bret Baier, Shepard Smith and Chris Wallace are also excellent for providing both sides of the conversation & sticking to the facts as known. Shepard Smith for instance was accused of being ‘anti-Trump’ by Fox’s own Sean Hannity on his radio show recently.

    • Patzcuaro

       /  November 1, 2017

      Yes but only fair and balanced if you are on the extreme right.

      • PDB

         /  November 1, 2017

        You’re only showing your left-wing bias – the news anchors I mention above do a great job of providing balance. To you Vladimir Lenin would look like a far-right wing figure.

        • Patzcuaro

           /  November 1, 2017

          Lenin was a product of his time. After centuries of right wing rule under which the Russian peasants were treated as slaves they rose up and tossed them out.

          Unfortunately Russia seems doomed to be ruled by one dictator after another with Lenin then Stalin brutalising the Russian people as the Tsars had done before them.

          After a brief period of glasnost under Gorbachev Russia is back under the control of the virtual dictatorship of Putin.

          They do seemed to have moved towards a more market economy which is providing more goods & services. Nothing wrong with a market economy, it is just the balance between the market and the state, getting that right is the trick.

          You would be hard put to find someone who regards Lenin as far right.

    • David

       /  November 1, 2017

      Couldnt agree more PDB, there are a lot of Trump critics working there, hosting shows and regular guests. I would challenge anyone on here to watch Shepherd Smith and Chris Wallace on a Sunday and still maintain Fox is does nothing but worship Trump.
      I watch the Five everyday for a general catch up and a laugh.

  7. duperez

     /  November 1, 2017

    What’s small beer to some outlets is a big deal to others.
    Like the claims about Manafort laundering money. I mean it was only $18 million or so.

  8. Patzcuaro

     /  November 1, 2017

    Shouldn’t we be asking the question whether the Trump White House is an extension of Fox News?

    • David

       /  November 1, 2017

      Watch Shepherd Smith,s show its on everyday be interesting to see if you still maintain that view.

  9. Alan Wilkinson

     /  November 1, 2017

    Sounds like CNN spoke to the typing pool.

  10. High Flying Duck

     /  November 1, 2017

    Fox is one of the few bastions against a tide of “Liberal” press in the USA. It is the fact they are out on their own that makes them stand out. The others are as bad, but hunt in a pack so don’t stand out as much.

    A good analysis of the indictments so far:

    “Mr. Mueller is counting on his many admirers in the media to distract attention from the disquieting fact that none of the indictments appear to have anything to do with the 2016 election campaign. Most of Mr. Manafort’s mischief with foreign clients, and the money transfers, were done in 2014, and the charges for mischief in 2016 didn’t have anything to do with the Trump campaign, but were related to false statements made to the Justice Department of the Obama administration.
    The indictment of George Papadopoulos, an early campaign foreign-policy adviser to Donald Trump the candidate, was for lying to the FBI early last year about his dealings with “foreign nationals whom he understood to have close connections with senior Russian officials.” This may be Mr. Mueller’s smoking gun to show how the Russians attempted to supply the Trump campaign with the dirt on Hillary Clinton. But this was a very small-caliber gun and so far we’ve seen no smoke.”

    Mr. Mueller’s unusual leaks about the indictments — revealing on Friday that indictments were coming on Monday — suggest that since he, too, had turned up no beef, he was trying to manufacture and sell the sizzle. Monday came and there was no sizzle.