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  1. Gezza

     /  November 7, 2017

    Donald Trump. Texas Shooting. “This isn’t a guns situation.”

    47 seconds of dribble. 🙄 To think I would’ve voted for this twerp.

  2. Gerrit

     /  November 7, 2017

    I think Trump is 100% correct, it is not a gun issue (guns are inanimate objects), it is a mental health issue. At least he is addressing the unpalatable cause. How to address the solutions is the unending question.

    Texas, like many USA states has an “open carry” gun policy simply to try and keep in check this type of random use of guns by the mentally ill. Though it did not prevent the church shooting it stopped it escalating. Maybe if more “sane” people carried guns, the crazies would think about getting treatment for the afflictions instead of contemplating committing “death by cop” suicide.

    I see parallels with the drug taking culture. Drugs are not the problem, people taking drugs is the problem. Just like the gun issue, banning drugs is not going to stop sick people taking drugs to excess nor stop the (now driven underground) drug trade.

    Only way to solve the gun (and drug) issue is to address the mental health of the citizens.

    • artcroft

       /  November 7, 2017

      What mental health issue did Stephen Paddock suffer from?

    • artcroft

       /  November 7, 2017

      How would you deal with the situation of Nancy Lanza who had no mental illness, many high caliber weapons and a son who would steal those guns, kill her and go on to murder 20 kids at Sandy Hook?

    • artcroft

       /  November 7, 2017

      Are the out of control black on black shootings around Chicago a mental health issue or a crime/gang issue?

    • NOEL

       /  November 7, 2017

      We’ve been all over this debate from all angles in the past shooting.
      FACT remains if the shooter did not have access to large capacity magazines the death toll would have been a lot less.
      Probably a physics equation on that linking the his actions to his gun.

      • Gezza

         /  November 7, 2017

        Aljazeera tv 6.30 news summary reports that this massacre was the result of a domestic dispute. It doesn’t really matter. Get used to it, people, is what Trumpy should be saying. “The NRA & I *saved the 2nd Amendment*, so that you & your kids can all buy semi-automatics & carry them with you everywhere, so that if you’re lucky you can shoot someone like this if they don’t shoot you first!

    • Patzcuaro

       /  November 7, 2017

      @Gerrit, I have to agree with you on this on, the problem is their unhealthy obsession with guns,

    • Bans on immigration from mentally ill people, and of people from countries where there is some mental illness? ? Extreme vetting of mental illness?

      • Joe Bloggs

         /  November 7, 2017

        The APA nails the issue with locating the problem in mental illness:

        The American Psychological Association (APA) criticized President Trump for saying the Sunday mass shooting at a Texas church was a “mental health” problem and not about guns.

        Calling this shooting a ‘mental health problem’ distracts our nation’s leaders from developing policies and legislation that would focus on preventing gun violence through a scientific, public health approach,” said APA President Antonio E. Puente in a statement Monday.

        Puente said the majority of people with mental illness are not violent and said keeping firearms from high-risk groups would prevent violence.

        “A complex combination of risk factors, including a history of domestic violence, violent misdemeanor crimes and substance use disorders, increases the likelihood of people using a firearm against themselves or others,” the statement said.

        “Firearm prohibitions for these high-risk groups have been shown to reduce gun violence.”
        Puente said the suspected gunman in the Texas shooting showed “several of these red flags.”

        “Gun violence is a serious public health problem that requires attention to these risk factors, as well as more research to inform the development and implementation of empirically based prevention and threat assessment strategies,” Puente added.

        http://thehill.com/homenews/news/358989-apa-calling-texas-shooting-mental-health-problem-distracts-from-developing

        My emphasis. As I said below this is domestic violence written large, and labeling it as a “mental illness” misrepresents the vast majority of mental health issues, and marginalises the vast majority of people who have experienced issues with their mental health.

  3. artcroft

     /  November 7, 2017

    What mental illness did Devin Patrick Kelley suffer from? Or did he just have an an anger problem and a semi-automatic assault rifle.

  4. artcroft

     /  November 7, 2017

    Should the US states have a register of those with anger issues? And what then? The NRA is dead set against anyone being prevented from buying the firearm of their choice for any reason?

  5. artcroft

     /  November 7, 2017

    Is it just convenient to blame mental illness, offer thoughts and prayers and do absolutely nothing?

  6. Joe Bloggs

     /  November 7, 2017

    America must be so relieved that it was a white bible basher who was responsible for America’s worst church shooting massacre, and not a Muslim terrorist.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  November 7, 2017

      Conflicting reports that he was advocating atheism, was a bible class teacher. Names suggest Catholic background but this was his ex inlaws protestant church. Ex military violent gun nutter as well. Quite a lethal mess.

      • Joe Bloggs

         /  November 7, 2017

        Indeed, quite a lethal mess. Irrespective of the Christian denomination, it’s emerging that this was domestic violence on a ghastly scale (which is not to say that domestic violence on a small scale isn’t ghastly).

        I get why we don’t call every act terrorism and that there are academic and legal conventions for the definition of the word. However, America takes action when things are related to terrorism. They don’t when it’s related to angry white men with guns.

        That’s why there needs to be a movement to blur the lines… in the hope that it might actually force people to do something.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  November 7, 2017

          Do you treat the whole population as mental patients or just the sufferers? That’s the real question when it comes to balancing freedom and safety.

          • Joe Bloggs

             /  November 7, 2017

            how about starting with angry white men who have access to guns

  7. Some clown’s response was to encourage congregations to be always fully-armed; congregations

    Some. Strange. Days.

  8. Joe Bloggs

     /  November 7, 2017

    Dear Lord! Did 45 just tell Japanese troops that no nation should “underestimate American resolve” then comment that “Every once in a while, in the past, they underestimated us. It was not pleasant for them”.

    I really don’t think Japan needs reminding that the US military used the civilians of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in experiments that would be condemned as war crimes today.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  November 7, 2017

      He is reminding North Korea, not Japan.

      • Joe Bloggs

         /  November 7, 2017

        Um yeah, the Japanese are just collateral damage

  9. Alan Wilkinson

     /  November 7, 2017

    Who would have thought?
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11941192

    Certainly not a Lefty nutter.

    • Gezza

       /  November 7, 2017

      What point are you trying to make here Al?
      Are you saying good on her?

  10. Joe Bloggs

     /  November 7, 2017

    A statement just released by Adam Schiff re Carter Page:

    During many public appearances prior to his November 2, 2017 testimony before the House Intelligence Committee in open session, Carter Page characterized his July 2016 trip to Russia as a private one in which his interactions with Russian individuals were largely confined to the ‘man on the street.’ In his testimony, however, he was forced to acknowledge that he communicated with high level Russian officials while in Moscow, including one of Russia’s Deputy Prime Ministers. He also admitted notifying the fact of his meetings to his campaign supervisors.

    Perhaps most important, Page — after being presented with an email he sent to his campaign supervisors, and which he did not disclose to the Committee prior to the interview and despite a subpoena from the Committee — detailed his meetings with Russian government officials and others, and said that they provided him with insights and outreach that he was interested in sharing with the campaign. Page’s invitation to Moscow and his July 2016 trip was paid for by Russian sponsors and followed his appointment as a Trump campaign foreign policy advisor. Page also testified that he was aware of Papadopoulos’ meeting with a professor with links to the Kremlin, even as he had been invited to Moscow by another professor with connections to the Russian government.

    He also acknowledged a separate trip to Moscow in December 2016 and an early September 2016 trip to Budapest for meetings with Hungarian government officials, the details of which he would not elaborate. Additionally, Page detailed other conversations he had with senior Trump campaign officials, including now-Attorney General Sessions, making clear that senior campaign officials were informed of his Moscow trip.

    We look forward to the continued cooperation of Mr. Page with our investigation, and his production of documents to the Committee in a timely manner, consistent with the revised production date of November 16, 2017 relayed to him during the interview.

    Key out-takes:

    1.
    Page claims senior staff in the trump campaign knew about and supported his trip to meet with Russian officials. If true, then the plausible deniability of blaming a few rogue actors inside the campaign might just have been shot down in flames

    2.
    Page claims Jeff Sessions knew about the meetings. If true this adds another layer to the many lies that Sessions has told Congress

    A copy of the HPSCI transcript of last week’s meeting with Page is here: https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/carter_page_hpsci_hearing_transcript_nov_2_2017.pdf

    Side-bar: Of passing interest, Page pleads the 5th to avoid providing documents sought by the committee. trump on pleading the 5th:
    “The mob takes the Fifth Amendment. If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”
    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article105178626.html