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14 November 2017

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  1. lurcher1948

     /  November 14, 2017

    Hasn’t our PM Jacinda Ardern and the govt team done well in the CPTPP negotiations. I feel the previous govt would have rolled over and signed anything as they usually did in the past.

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    • Corky

       /  November 14, 2017

      Remind us what Jacinda has changed within this agreement?

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      • robertguyton

         /  November 14, 2017

        Seating arrangements; she put Bill and co into those on the other side of the House, where they can do no harm.

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        • Gezza

           /  November 14, 2017

          When MP’s misbehave, Trev takes supplementary questions off them. The Nats lost two today. I missed the first 15 minutes so dunno what sin occasioned the first punishment, but the second time was when someone in the Nats loudly “guffawed” at a Minister’s answer I think.

          After pointing out that he had admitted to being slightly deaf in his left ear, Speaker Trev demanded to know which MP it was. Because it took the member (whoever it was) so long to own up, he took their second supplementary question away.

          Question Time is gripping tv at the moment! I’ll be watching tomorrow, that’s for sure!

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          • patupaiarehe

             /  November 14, 2017

            Question Time is gripping tv at the moment! I’ll be watching tomorrow, that’s for sure!

            I would certainly hope so, at parliament’s ‘hourly rate’… Please keep me informed of any interesting developments tomorrow G. I’ll be far too busy at work, to pay any attention to the ‘charade’, of our so called representatives…

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            • Gezza

               /  November 14, 2017

              Parliament TV channel – on Freeview it’s Ch 31 – repeats Question Time at 6 and 10 pm.

              And videos of all the Questions & Answers are on Parliament’s website.

            • Gezza

               /  November 14, 2017

              Poor Minister Hipkins was throatily hoarse today, but at least at times when he had to push it out with a degree of vigour it gave his voice a bit of grunt.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  November 14, 2017

              I’m more interested in politics than most G, but my current work situation means that I have ‘NF2G’ regarding politics…

            • Gezza

               /  November 14, 2017

              Question Time under Mallard may actually turn out to be less of a charade than under Carter. He’s something of an “asked and answered” and “the member knows that is not a valid question” type.

            • Gezza

               /  November 14, 2017

              And he doesn’t waste time on whiny points of order either.

            • Gezza

               /  November 14, 2017

              Poor old Steven Joyce sat down looking very deflated & dejected today when he thought he’d easily have Grant on the ropes.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  November 14, 2017

              Trev ‘set the tone’ well, full credit to him,

            • Gezza

               /  November 14, 2017

              Trev in action today 👍🏼😎

            • patupaiarehe

               /  November 14, 2017

              How nice for him, sit on his arse forever…

          • Gezza

             /  November 14, 2017

            Deputy Speaker Tolley seems to be making a reasonable fist of the job as well.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  November 14, 2017

      Without the previous Govt’s efforts there would have been nothing to sign, Lurch. You seem to forget that.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  November 14, 2017

        I might just add that were the Left in Opposition now they would be refusing to support it and it wouldn’t be ratified. What a lot of wankers they really are.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  November 14, 2017

        Labour started the process eons ago

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    • robertguyton

       /  November 14, 2017

      Yes, Lurch, very well indeed. She’s looking to be the best we’ve ever had, already
      🙂

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  2. Corky

     /  November 14, 2017

    Crikey, spare a thought for the British. No second amendment to protect them. Add to that knife crime that’s so common its not reported unless it’s a prominent stabbing like the teacher stabbed to death outside his school, and you know the British have a problem.

    Yep, firearm offences are up 27%. But how? They have some of the most repressive gun controls in the world. As time goes on, my admiration for the American founding fathers grows.

    https://news.sky.com/story/firearms-amnesty-as-uk-gun-crime-rises-27-this-year-11124745

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    • NOEL

       /  November 14, 2017

      Probably to late for GCSB.
      Snowden, the perceived in some quarters hero, released the addresses and phone numbers for Five Eyes Intelligence Analysts in a great act of bravery a couple of years ago.

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    • Gezza

       /  November 14, 2017

      Is that because you’re a Rambo-wannabe gun-nut, Corks?
      Or is there some other reason?

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  3. Corky

     /  November 14, 2017

    Knife crime. A crime you don’t hear or see coming. In some regards more dangerous than a gun. Knives don’t jam or need reloading.

    I guess this understanding is what separates me from armchair Liberals who pontificate liberally on gun control and crime. Yet, chances are they have never faced at knife or gun, or been in an area where guns and knives are standard kit.

    Still, their opinions are amusing. Take Noels for example,???. And of course Gezza, who can’t talk about guns without adding nut to the end of each sentence. I see the prefix, Rambo, has now been added. Too much screen time and cloistered living if you ask me.

    https://www.vice.com/en_nz/article/gvzm9m/inside-londons-knife-crime-epidemic-met-operation-sceptre

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    • Gezza

       /  November 14, 2017

      I have a stream.

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      • Gezza

         /  November 14, 2017

        And I might just mention I was at a bank in Porirua today, with ma, and our business was handled by a very friendly & efficient Pasifika lady approximately 30 mumble years of age, the place was full of well-dressed Pasifika & Maori people transacting business & looking prosperous, and then we went on to lunch in the food court upstairs at North City Plaza where pakeha, asian, maori, & pasifika indian & even some middle eastern people all mingled quite happily chatting & at no time did anyone get attacked or abused by ferals of any kind.

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  4. Zedd

     /  November 14, 2017

    2 hours til Q-time #2 under this new Govt.. cant wait.. 🙂

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    • Gezza

       /  November 14, 2017

      Hillarious stuff from Trev The Speaker, he’s a hard ass & a comedian! Question Time is a hoot!

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      • Gezza

         /  November 14, 2017

        The poor old Opposition is flustered!

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        • lurcher1948

           /  November 14, 2017

          I have been watching question time, shit national SOLD NZ OFF, notice all the national MPs on chinese boards or members of their familys

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          • Gezza

             /  November 14, 2017

            Trev doesn’t put up with any shit from the Opposition, & he knows his stuff.

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  5. Corky

     /  November 14, 2017

    Damn. This coalition government is taking some hits at the moment. Every man and his dog is putting the boot in. Chris Finlayson is the latest. He’s finally woken up that National dodged an electoral bullet by being relegated to opposition. He’s been scathing of Winston’s performance. Better late than never, Chris.

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    • Gezza

       /  November 14, 2017

      With Trev in the chair the Government’s just laffing at at them though. So far. It’s no good National getting up & demanding targets, numbers, dates, details, details at the moment. For a start, it’ll soon be Christmas, and at the moment they can easily be told “it’s only just becoming clear from the reports from my department just how bad things really are”.

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    • Blazer

       /  November 14, 2017

      Finlayson has no cred..nominated himself as a Q.C…dick head writ large and queer to boot.

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      • Corky

         /  November 14, 2017

        But…but…he’s not the finance minister. Now, about having no cred?

        Might pay to apologise for the language you have used.

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      • Ray

         /  November 14, 2017

        That’s not very nice Blazer, are you sure you are a real Lefty?
        Mind you the right honourable Trevor Mallard used to be equally abusive so I guess you are on safe ground.
        But in the real world that is unacceptable.

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        • patupaiarehe

           /  November 14, 2017

          It’s not the real world Ray, it’s parliament. Pay no attention to it, as it only has relevance to those who do. In the meantime, life goes on, in the real world…

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  6. Labour doesn’t seem to think that fathers are primary caregivers, so don’t need to be there with newborns.

    I don’t believe that Parliament is the place for babies. MPs are paid good money to be MPs, not to babysit their own children. Make up your mind which you want to do. A bawling baby is likely to be a distraction and if it has to be taken out-which it will-then the mother is not doing what she’s paid to do.

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    • Blazer

       /  November 14, 2017

      spoken like a ..maiden ..aunt.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  November 14, 2017

        i am neither, so no, it isn’t.

        If she wants to have the baby with her, she should be at home with it rather than trying to have it both ways.

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        • Blazer

           /  November 14, 2017

          spoken like a woman who had no children..then.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  November 14, 2017

            I wouldn’t expect to use the Beehive as a free creche if I was an MP. Hasn’t she ever heard of childcare ?

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            • Gezza

               /  November 14, 2017

              There’s enuf misbehaving children in the place already. You might have a point that adding babies to the mix might only make things worse.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 14, 2017

              Have you ever been in a place where someone has a crying baby disrupting everything and everyone ? I have been in university libraries where people thought that their right to have junior with them all the time was greater than the right of everyone else to study for their degrees, I have even been to ballets where a baby bawled through the entire performance.

              Parliament is not the place for babies, it’s a workplace. Imagine a lawyer in the courtroom with their baby-PCness is not an excuse for selfishness, and to me this IS selfishness, People need to decide which is more important to them.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  November 14, 2017

              Have you ever been in a place where someone has a crying baby disrupting everything and everyone ?

              Actually I have Kitty. In my own home!!! It has happened five times now, and a crying baby distracts everybody from anything they are doing! Lets not even go into the ‘issues’ that are raised, when the teenaged son is confronted with irrefutable evidence that his parents are still ‘having sex’… 😀

            • patupaiarehe

               /  November 14, 2017

              The great thing about ‘making a baby’, when your eldest child is aware of how it’s done, and the responsibility involved in looking after the ‘latest arrival’, is that he might just think carefully about the consequences of ‘human instinct’.

            • lurcher1948

               /  November 14, 2017

              Still struggling to come to terms with the change of govt, gone an OLD man enter a fresh young female PM,whats the problem Kitty in that

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  November 15, 2017

              The fresh young female is more like the games captain of a high school than a PM.; all girlish giggles, all style and no substance.

          • patupaiarehe

             /  November 14, 2017

            Stop…Trolling…Blazer…

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    • patupaiarehe

       /  November 14, 2017

      Good god Kitty! How dare you say something so politically incorrect! Consider yourself lucky not to have a twitter account! They’d tear you to pieces for speaking your mind ‘over there’…

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  November 14, 2017

        Well, their spokesman said that children need time with the primary caregiver….who’s not the father.

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        • patupaiarehe

           /  November 14, 2017

          Their ‘spokesman’ ??? Don’t you mean, ‘Spokesperson’? 😉

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  November 15, 2017

            Np. If it had been a woman, I would have said spokeswoman. I could see that the speaker was a man and see little sense in not calling him one.

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    • robertguyton

       /  November 14, 2017

      Did the baby bawl?

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  November 15, 2017

        If it doesn’t, it will be the only one in world history that doesn’t. They all do. Running the country is too important for a baby to interrupt. Why can’t dad look after it when mum’s in the House ? She’s paid to be there, not to be feeding and changing junior. If you were in court, how would you feel about your lawyer or the judge doing this and not concentrating on the case ?

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  7. Gezza

     /  November 14, 2017

    Beehive Letters:

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  8. Gezza

     /  November 14, 2017

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  9. Gezza

     /  November 14, 2017

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    • patupaiarehe

       /  November 14, 2017

      Yeah, rightyo G. That looks about half as convincing as what I would post…

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  10. Brilliant. You need to compile a book of letters G

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