Finlayson: negotiations ‘essentially a fraud’

Chris Finlayson, who was Attorney General  in the last government and is now Shadow Attorney General, was scathing of Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters and the coalition negotiations in his Address in Reply speech in Parliament yesterday.

He says that “the negotiations after the general election were essentially a fraud”, and that National has “dodged a bullet”.

From draft Hansard:

I do want to comment a little bit on the campaign. I normally stand up and say here that it’s great to be back, but it’s kind of good to be back.

I would much rather be on the other side than where I am here, but I have to say I’m in that category in the National Party that said we dodged a bullet, because while I have some regard for some of my New Zealand First parliamentary colleagues, I have absolutely no regard for the Rt Hon Winston Peters, and I have had no regard for him from the time I acted for the National Party caucus in the early 1990s, when he was removed from the caucus for disloyalty.

Old habits don’t change very quickly. He has made absolutely no contribution to New Zealand, in my view, and it is becoming abundantly clear, as Judith Collins said recently, that the negotiations after the general election were essentially a fraud.

So I believe we’ve dodged a bullet, and I’m very happy that the National Party conducted itself with propriety and dignity.

Last week from Newshub: Winston Peters ‘not genuine’ in coalition talks – Judith Collins

Judith Collins says the post-election negotiations between her party and Winston Peters appear to have been a fraud.

It was revealed on Thursday the New Zealand First leader’s legal action against journalists, the head of the Ministry of Social Development, a number of National MPs and their staff was filed the day before the General Election, which was held on September 23.

Ms Collins told The AM Show on Friday morning it now appears Mr Peters was playing the National Party, and never intended to sign a coalition agreement with them.

“At the time, we were very much convinced on our side there were genuine negotiations going on. But I’ve got to say, it’s not looking like it was quite so genuine anymore.”

“I think Winston Peters should really explain himself to the public because there were a lot of voters who were disappointed in his decision,” said Ms Collins.

“I think New Zealanders are owed an explanation. Was he being genuine, or was it just a play?”

I think voters are owed an explanation, but I doubt that Peters will give a straight answer.

The first call in Court on Peters’ legal action was on Monday. Stuff – Winston Peters’ lawyers aim sights at journalists involved in leak:

The NZ First leader’s legal team served court papers last week on nine people including former National Party government ministers, journalists and a government department chief executive over the leak which occurred in the leadup to this year’s election.

Peters’ lawyers are requesting documents from the parties named in the legal action to try and get to the bottom of where the leak came from, and who was involved.

The first call for Peters’ case was heard in front of Justice Anne Hinton on Monday morning at the High Court in Auckland. It was a largely procedural hearing, with all parties represented by lawyers.

Peter’s legal counsel Brian Henry told the court some of the journalists who were leaked the story may have been politically motivated, and not neutral reporters.

Newsroom co-editor Tim Murphy and Newshub journalist Lloyd Burr were both served documents as they knew about the leak before it became public.

“The situation is about an illegal act, not dirty politics. When it comes to the journalists, it is our understanding some of the journalists were not ‘journalists’ but political agents,” Henry said.

“This was a political set up from woah to go,” he said.

Henry said they were considering challenging the pair’s journalistic privilege.

Justice Hinton told Peters’ lawyer they will need to file documents with the court detailing exactly what they are alleging against the parties involved.

Justice Hinton set down a hearing for March next year where it will be ruled if the parties will need to disclose the documents.

In a statement on Monday morning, the National Party said: “The National Party people named all continue to refute any suggestion they had any involvement in the leak of this information and will be responding accordingly.”

With this action planned since before the election coalition between NZ first and National seems an unlikely outcome of negotiations, or if it had happened it would have started with a degree of tension and toxicity.

On making his announcement after extended negotiations Peters had claimed that the decision to support a Labour led Government was made 15 minutes before making the announcement.

Perhaps that refers to a decision on something like ‘will we accept what Labour has offered us or push for more?’.

 

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  1. robertguyton

     /  November 15, 2017

    He’s a sour-puss.

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    • Conspiratoor

       /  November 15, 2017

      ‘propriety and dignity’. Sounds like sour grapes to me. With all this pushing and shoving to squeeze themselves onto the moral high ground, someone is going to fall off

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    • David

       /  November 15, 2017

      Birds of a feather…..

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    • Gezza

       /  November 15, 2017

      Who’s a sour puss? Winston? Winston’s a comedian. Apart from the Gold Card, Winston’s done little but have endless fun & giggles in politics ever since he left National.

      If you mean Chris, yes he’s not much in the comedy stakes.

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  2. Blazer

     /  November 15, 2017

    theres always comedy ..after politics Finlayson..’So I believe we’ve dodged a bullet, and I’m very happy that the National Party conducted itself with propriety and dignity.’..

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  3. robertguyton

     /  November 15, 2017

    “Judith Collins says…” stopped reading right there.

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    • PDB

       /  November 15, 2017

      Four words beyond you?

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      • Gezza

         /  November 15, 2017

        About time you showed up. Have you been in mourning?

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        • PDB

           /  November 15, 2017

          Been busy Gezza, someone’s gotta pay the bills this govt is starting to rack up.

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          • Gezza

             /  November 15, 2017

            Quite so! Good man! Work hard. Be nice to your mum. 👍🏼

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            • PDB

               /  November 15, 2017

              You’re lucky I’m not a lefty and have a mum Gezza, otherwise that would have been very insensitive of you to assume I still had one.

            • Gezza

               /  November 15, 2017

              Nonsense. You post thoughtfully always. You obviously have a good mum.

            • Gezza

               /  November 15, 2017

              🤔 Well, ok, let’s get real – not ALWAYS – but reasonably often. 😎

  4. robertguyton

     /  November 15, 2017

    Chris Finlayson; “Phew, chaps! Thank God were not in Government!!! Dodged a bullet there, by crikey. These Opposition seat are really rather swanky, doncha think? Comfy too. 9 years’ll be a doddle!”

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  5. “I have absolutely no regard for the Rt Hon Winston Peters”

    “He has made absolutely no contribution to New Zealand, in my view”

    Thanks Mr Finlayson. You are the polar opposite of this man Winston Peters. You have integrity and your legacy will be that your contributions have contributed hugely to NZ society.

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    • Missy

       /  November 15, 2017

      Trav, I am hoping for him to make one contribution in the next three years – before he is kicked out for good – and that is follow through with trying to set up a visa free right to work with the UK. That is the only thing that will get me through three years of him as DPM and MFA.

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    • Blazer

       /  November 15, 2017

      Finlayson brought the position of AG into disrespect by often referring to anyone who had an alternate view point to him as ‘clowns’.Awarding himself a Q.C title revealed what an egotistical,vain glorious lightweight twat…he really is.

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      • Corky

         /  November 15, 2017

        ”Awarding himself a Q.C title revealed what an egotistical,vain glorious lightweight twat…he really is.”

        That could be considered a generic description of parliamentarians.

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      • He didn’t award himself a QC title.

        His Excellency the Governor-General of New Zealand, acting on the recommendation of the Prime Minister and with the concurrence of the Chief Justice, has been pleased to appoint
        Christopher Francis Finlayson
        Michael Richard Heron
        to be Queen’s Counsel.
        Dated at Wellington this 10th day of December 2012.
        RT HON JOHN KEY, Prime Minister.

        https://gazette.govt.nz/notice/id/2012-vr8344

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        • Blazer

           /  November 15, 2017

          You missed one out ..the Attorney Gen..who was…??…’Appointments of Queen’s Counsel are made by the Governor-General on the recommendation of the Attorney-General and with the concurrence of the Chief Justice.’..hilarious.

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          • It looks like proper process to me, initiated by the prime Minister. Similar to Martin Finlay:

            After becoming president of the Labour Party in 1960 (until 1964), Martyn Finlay returned to Parliament as the member for Waitakere in 1963. He was to hold the seat (which later became known as Henderson) until his retirement in 1978.

            He was Attorney-General and Minister of Justice in the third Labour Government from 1972 to 1975. He represented New Zealand in the World Court in The Hague in 1973 to present the case against French nuclear testing in the Pacific (being appointed Queen’s Counsel) and was responsible for much of the work behind the Matrimonial Property Act 1976.

            https://www.lawsociety.org.nz/news-and-communications/people-in-the-law/obituaries/obituaries-list/martyn-findlay-qc,-1912-1999

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            • “It looks like proper process to me, initiated by the prime Minister”
              You mean, John Key? “proper process”?
              Ha ha ha ha ha – Pete, you’re on fire this morning.!
              Key – proper process!!! Guffaw !!!

            • Can you point to any improper process on the appointment of Finlayson as QC Robert?

              If you want to fire shots back them up with specifics on this topic.

            • robertguyton

               /  November 15, 2017

              I was talking about Key, Pete; why do I have to comment about Finlayson? Does seem though, that Blazer is correct.

            • It doesn’t ‘seem’ that Blazer is correct, he has provided no evidence that Finlayson promoted himself to be appointed QC.

              And you were criticising Key generally and gave no reasons to support your assertion about him on this topic.

            • robertguyton

               /  November 15, 2017

              Well it does seem to me that Blazer is correct, especially where he points out that Finlayson was Attorney General, the recommender to the GG. True or not?

            • “especially where he points out that Finlayson was Attorney General, the recommender to the GG” – ‘pointing out’ is not evidence of it being true.

            • Blazer

               /  November 15, 2017

              @PG..so if the Attorney General is Chris Finlayson…and the Attorney General recommends Chris Finlayson be made a Q.C…what does that mean in…your world..given the fact..’Appointments of Queen’s Counsel are made by the Governor-General on the recommendation of the Attorney-General and with the concurrence of the Chief Justice’.

            • “acting on the recommendation of the Prime Minister and with the concurrence of the Chief Justice” – nothing about the Attorney General making the recommendation. Where do you get that claim from?

            • Corky

               /  November 15, 2017

              Concurrence of the Chief Justice. The Chief Justice is the check an balance. Finlayson wouldn’t have got the job without the CJ’s say so.

              https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/about-the-judiciary/role-judges/role-chief

            • Missy

               /  November 15, 2017

              Normal process would see the AG recommending someone to be a QC, in the case of the AG the recommendation was made by the PM, in both cases the CJ must concur. As Corky says the CJ is the check on recommendations and could (and would) have stopped it if he did not fit the criteria to be a QC.

            • Gezza

               /  November 15, 2017

              Just a small point Robert – any member who guffaws like that during Question Time & who doesn’t own up immediately when asked “who was that?” will cost their Party a Supplementary Question, if Speaker Trev is in the chair. Well, at least they will if they’re a National MP – if yesterday was anything to go by.

              I hope to watch Question Time again this afternoon. It’s excellent at the moment. Very interesting.

            • robertguyton

               /  November 15, 2017

              I was listening when the guffaw went down, Gezza and noted the tardiness of the Nat MP in owning up; Trevor was great. The Oppositionare howling and yelping like wounded dogs 🙂

        • Corky

           /  November 15, 2017

          Never let the truth get in the way of a little Lefty bs. They can’t help themselves.

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      • If such a suggestion is a lie and not framed in here in such a manner as to be regarded as an opinion, is it defamatory?

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      • High Flying Duck

         /  November 15, 2017

        Vainglorious lightweight, spoken of in glowing terms by…the new Government:

        The new Minister for Maori Development, Nanaia Mahuta, said Mr Finlayson absolutely understood the complexities of New Zealand history.

        “And how he applied that knowledge to his portfolio, and his way of managing a number of challenging issues, was exceptional.”

        Tuhoe negotiator Tamati Kruger said Mr Finlayson “has an ability to connect emotionally as well as intellectually with what’s going on and he has a very fair assessment of how things can proceed towards a settlement”.

        “Easily we call him our friend.”

        For his part, Mr Finlayson, said the role has been an education for him.

        “I call it the education of a public man because I’ve learned so much about my country, about it’s history and about some of the challenges it faces,” he said.

        “I consider that I’ve been the most fortunate person in the entire government because I’ve always got what I wanted.”

        He faced criticism over how he dealt with cross claims, but the Tuhoe settlement and Parihaka apology remain highlights.

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        • Blazer

           /  November 15, 2017

          so you like Nanaia Mashuta…now!Every single treaty minister of the last 18-19 years at least,has been held in high regard.

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          • High Flying Duck

             /  November 15, 2017

            You are right, and yet Finlayson stands as one of the best among them. Generally only the best ministers are given the role – once more a feather in Finlayson’s cap.
            Getting the Tuhoe settlement done at all, let alone with that endorsement of the Tuhoe negotiator was a fantastic achievement.
            But I’m sure you know better.

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            • Gezza

               /  November 15, 2017

              I have to agree. I’ve been told before that Finlayson is a constant, snarky interjector in The Debating Chamber (too often they never show or say who it is) & that he’s a ‘nasty little piece of work’, but he’s done an excellent job on Treaty Negoiations, as especially evidenced by the Tuhoe & Parihaka Settlements.

            • Blazer

               /  November 15, 2017

              Did you know Finlayson and Key could hardly bear being in the same. .room.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  November 15, 2017

              I didn’t Blazer – the wife’s subscription to Woman’s Day expired so I’m not privy to the big salacious scandals any more…

            • High Flying Duck

               /  November 15, 2017

              Aaah – So I needed a source well below the Woman’s Day in the pecking order of insight & accuracy to get this information. Thanks. Appreciate the JK update – very topical.

            • Blazer

               /  November 15, 2017

              yesterdays man,eh..forgotten already…Thanks. Appreciate the JK update – very topical….its Sir John…these days…don’t mention it.

    • Corky

       /  November 15, 2017

      Well, Maori hold him in high regard. And he’s right… National has dodged a bullet. No question about that in my opinion.

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      • robertguyton

         /  November 15, 2017

        Are you saying that National couldn’t have managed Winston in a coalition Government? In that case, they never had a chance, did they! Better that Labour, who will manage a good relationship with Winston, as they did last time, are our Government. Looks like the Left dodged a bullet – imagine if a National Party, incapable of working with Winston in Finlayson, Pete George, Traveller and now Corky’s opinion, had won the Government benches!

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        • Corky

           /  November 15, 2017

          ”Looks like the Left dodged a bullet – imagine if a National Party, incapable of working with Winston in Finlayson, Pete George, Traveller and now Corky’s opinion, had won the Government benches!”

          Correct. Like I said….National dodged a bullet.

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          • robertguyton

             /  November 15, 2017

            National dodged a bullet…by cowering behind the Opposition benches 🙂

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            • Corky

               /  November 15, 2017

              i don’t care how they did it. Bullets kill.

            • robertguyton

               /  November 15, 2017

              No, Corky; bullets (and guns) don’t kill, people kill (every good Righty knows that !)

            • Corky

               /  November 15, 2017

              ”Every good Righty knows that. ” Correct. That’s why they cowered behind the opposition benches.

      • Blazer

         /  November 15, 2017

        He realised that the Maori grIevance industry is a rewarding one ,even after politics,and set about a campaign to write himself into the history of NZ .

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        • Corky

           /  November 15, 2017

          But you were telling me before ( under your many guises) that he was righting historical wrongs for Maori. Whats changed?

          Oh, Labour are in government. That good fulla Finlayson is now a prat.

          A sage lesson on the feralness of the Left.

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  6. robertguyton

     /  November 15, 2017

    ““At the time, we were very much convinced on our side there were genuine negotiations going on. ”
    Was Judith Collins referring to the election of the Speaker, when her National Party cronies were the polar opposite to genuine? When they’d agreed to support Mallard, but welched on the deal when they saw an opportunity to play games in the House?
    Ha ha ha ha ha! As Blazer said, “there’s always comedy”!

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    • PDB

       /  November 15, 2017

      So you are moaning that the opposition does what an opposition is supposed to do rather than just flounder about and achieve nothing like the prior Labour/Green opposition?

      Reply
      • Again you misunderstand and misinterpret what are really quite straightforward statements.
        Is it genetic, or was there some terrible accident in your past?

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        • PDB

           /  November 15, 2017

          You obviously have no idea what an opposition is supposed to do after 9 years of ineffective opposition from your mates or else you are just covering up the fact that Labour where out-thought, panicked and then Ardern, Hipkins etc lied to cover up their error by pretending they knew all along they had the numbers.

          What about also being upset that Hipkins didn’t even acknowledge calls from National regarding the lack of committee positions? Doesn’t fit your narrative?

          It is quite straight-forward why you now post here.

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        • Gezza

           /  November 15, 2017

          I was dropped on my head as a baby but luckily it doesn’t seem to have affected me.

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  7. Alan Wilkinson

     /  November 15, 2017

    Finlayson spoke for many. Blazer and Robert speak for a few. Winston speaks only for himself.

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    • Corky

       /  November 15, 2017

      They’ve had nine years in the wilderness. In three years time they face another twenty years in the wilderness. We have to cut them some slack.

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      • robertguyton

         /  November 15, 2017

        Thanks, Corky, yes, we suffered long, but now and for the next 9 years, we’re jubilant and vocal with it. Probably best not to provoke us 🙂

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        • Corky

           /  November 15, 2017

          ” Probably best not to provoke us .”

          Can’t do that Robert. The more I provoke you, the more you build a glorious sand castle. And just when that grand edifice is finished and you’re putting a beautiful red flag atop, the KING tide of public opinion comes sweeping in and your castle is again… nothing.

          You must be nuts if you think I’m giving up that opportunity.

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          • robertguyton

             /  November 15, 2017

            I’m encouraging you, Corky. This is fun. The winning team always has the most testosterone pulsing through their veins, you know that, the All Blacks know that. A glorious sand castle! I like it, Corky!

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            • Corky

               /  November 15, 2017

              I didn’t vote.

            • robertguyton

               /  November 15, 2017

              Didn’t back the winning team then, Corky? Your levels’ll be down then.

            • Gezza

               /  November 15, 2017

              Didn’t vote? Outrageous you’re even expecting to be taken seriously!
              Was there a particularly stupid reason you didn’t vote?

            • Gezza

               /  November 15, 2017

              I take it downtick means Yes?
              Would you like to share that reason with the readers?

        • Nine years? Are you a betting man RG?

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    • robertguyton

       /  November 15, 2017

      Blazer and I are speaking on behalf of the winning team; the Government of New Zealand.
      (they haven’t asked us to, we do it ’cause we’re proud.)

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  November 15, 2017

        As I said, a few. And a deluded few at that.

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      • David

         /  November 15, 2017

        lol, you think your a winning team!

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        • robertguyton

           /  November 15, 2017

          No, I think I’m a supporter of the winning team; you reckon yours won, David? I reckon they were also-rans, otherwise they’d be our Beloved Leaders, but that’s Jacinda and Team.

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          • PDB

             /  November 15, 2017

            So you backed Winston after all Robert?

            From your manic posting I thought you were a Greens supporter – the party that so far has been shafted by Labour & Winston and will soon have National ensuring a trade agreement they are against will successfully get passed in parliament.

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            • robertguyton

               /  November 15, 2017

              They are holding powerful positions, while National are also-ran Opposition flunkies. Just to remind you of the reality, PDB. Your lot are neutered, impotent, sidelined. Good thing, that.

    • Blazer

       /  November 15, 2017

      but Al,National govern for the few at the expense of…many.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  November 15, 2017

        I’m sure Labour’s expense account will be a lot bigger, B.

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        • Blazer

           /  November 15, 2017

          apparantly the ANZ have suggested Labour will be spending more than they planned to implement some of their policies.The new Chairman of the ANZ is John Key.John Key did a great job trying to stymie Kiwibank,he wanted to flick it.Local competition retaining profits in NZ is frowned upon by the National Party.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  November 15, 2017

            Retaining profits wasn’t Kiwibank’s problem – making them without massive taxpayer funding was. You want more money poured down that drainpipe too?

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            • Blazer

               /  November 15, 2017

              Wake up Al.The aussie banks repatriate more billions in profit every year than Fonterra earns.Its a service industry and NZ customers are treated as second class.While you’re there ,they stopped ‘Cullen Fund’ contributions too(competes with private funds managers),pruned Kiwi Saver,(competes with other financial products).Thats the way..the Natz roll.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  November 15, 2017

              NZers are ANZ shareholders too and profits are distributed accordingly. If you want some, buy some. Of course b.s. is chesper.

            • Blazer

               /  November 15, 2017

              @Al…can’t show any b/s though can you.Notice the ANZ shares are over $30 from memory.That price ringfences them for the..wealthy.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  November 15, 2017

              More b.s. B. You have an endless flow. Price is relative to return. For everyone prepared to get off their bum.

            • Gezza

               /  November 15, 2017

              Come on Al, the Aussie-owned banks are ripping off Kiwi customers like nobody’s business. Everybody knows that!

            • Gezza

               /  November 15, 2017

              Quite apart from their unaffordability to the lowly paid, buying shares only makes them complicit in highway robbery.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  November 15, 2017

              What makes you think banking is uncompetitive? Government regulation?

            • Gezza

               /  November 15, 2017

              Who are you talking to, Sir Alan?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  November 15, 2017

              You.

            • Gezza

               /  November 15, 2017

              Fkn Banks, Sir Alan. I don’t how the beggars have the brass to even charge fees! The swine have MY money & they treat it like it’s THEIRS!
              All those rapacious executives & shareholders, Sir Alan. Something should be done about them!

            • Gezza

               /  November 15, 2017

              Also, a cap on CEO salaries, & a ban on Golden Parachutes, Sir Alan.
              Best thing. If they don’t like it they can always go to America.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  November 15, 2017

              If you want to do something, take your money back and buy their shares with it. Alternatively you can rant nonsense like Blazer and do nothing.

            • Gezza

               /  November 15, 2017

              Usuers, Sir Alan! Legalised thieves!
              All men & women of probity know!

            • Gezza

               /  November 15, 2017

              Usurers too, Sir Alan!

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  November 15, 2017

              I see my questions got three vacuous down-ticks and no answers. Typical from the know-nothings.

            • Gezza

               /  November 15, 2017

              Bankers. Scoundrels, the lot of them, Sir Alan. Everybody knows that!

  8. Blazer

     /  November 15, 2017

    @Al…’ Price is relative to return. For everyone prepared to get off their bum.’…you really have NFI…do you?

    Reply
    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  November 15, 2017

      Actually I have plenty, B, unlike you who have few clues about anything and less than most about banking.

      Reply
  9. robertguyton

     /  November 15, 2017

    No worries, Gezza – it’s easy to misread words; for ages I thought you were a correspondent from Gaza!

    Reply
  10. Zedd

     /  November 15, 2017

    Finlayson is just mouthing what most Natz are thinking; Still in denial & a pack of very Sore LOSERS.. maybe they need to, just stop & take a good look in the Mirror & actually SEE what they’ve become ?!

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    • Corky

       /  November 15, 2017

      ”Maybe they need to, just stop & take a good look in the Mirror & actually SEE what they’ve become ?!”

      They have had a good look Zedd%. And what did the mirror say?

      Mirror, Mirror, on the wall.
      Who is the luckiest winner and loser of them all.
      Tis a simple query, the Mirror replied.
      Labour wins large. Like a barge.
      But then loses to a voter montage.
      National will continue to rankle.
      But then take 2020 by the ankles.
      For a 20 year contractual.

      Thanks Mirror.

      Reply
      • Gezza

         /  November 15, 2017

        Zedd%?

        Use proper names please. 😠

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        • Zedd

           /  November 15, 2017

          cheers Gezza

          but as Ive said ‘I take corky’s comments with a grain of salt’ he/she rants about how great the right are; but stated clearly he/she did not even vote for them !
          what a JOKEr !!

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          • Gezza

             /  November 15, 2017

            I take a lot of Corky’s comments with a truckload, no – shipload, no – a minor planet’s worth of salt, myself. And that’s even AFTER he famously “took me down a peg or two”, when I let get him 15 feet up himself and calmly walked away with his ladder, smiling.

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          • Corky

             /  November 15, 2017

            I hope that salt is natural salt with a full complement of accompanying minerals..
            Going by your comments, I fear you use standard table salt.

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    • Excuse me, what he has to say has validity. In a democracy you don’t just roll over, say “do as you will with our taxpayer money”. You might like to acquaint yourself with the mechanisms of Westminster style Opposition.

      Can’t see any evidence of lefties here (or anywhere for that matter) acquiescing over the last nine years. Quite the opposite in fact.

      Dissenters will be here and elsewhere with bells on, as you were zedd. Like it as they say, or the other option.

      Reply
      • Gezza

         /  November 15, 2017

        America’s Cup?
        Christchurch fkn Cathedral? (If the deluded can’t get enuf other delusionals to pay for it, why the hell were we enlightened ones forced to fork out?

        Reply
        • that was yours too 😉

          Reply
          • Gezza

             /  November 15, 2017

            Shit! Have you talkied some kid into threatening to bash her up trav?

            Reply
          • Gezza

             /  November 15, 2017

            Now hang on trav, I only voted for Greg. I had no idea Lurch was going to vote for bloody Winston & when I found out I tried to talk him out of that nonsense. I thought Jacinda needed a term as Oppo Leader to get the hang of the money thing, get the unions into line, and get rid of some of the dreamtime stuff.

            Reply
            • Gezza

               /  November 15, 2017

              I didn’t know Lurch was a fkn Maori-basher. I hope RED bites him the next time he does that sht! And also I’m laffing me ass off that Winston conned him with a the Maori seats referendum BS.

            • Gezza

               /  November 15, 2017

              @ trav – any more T-shirt pics pls? o_O

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