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  1. Patzcuaro

     /  November 15, 2017

    Strange bed fellows.

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  2. lurcher1948

     /  November 15, 2017

    [Use proper names please] off to North Korea, maybe… he could be the bringer of peace and a counter to POTUS 45 war plans….

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    • lurcher1948

       /  November 15, 2017

      Winston Peters but he’s Winnie to us NZF party supporters.he appears to be putting more in to getting peace than the late departed forgotten national party on the opposition benches.

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  3. Missy

     /  November 15, 2017

    So, it looks like the nanny state has begun. Labour don’t think that parents know what is best for them and their situation and not allowing the ability for flexibility in their paid parental leave bill. There is no reason why there cannot be a provision for parents to decide how to use the 26 weeks PPL, instead Labour think it is their right to dictate that only one parent can take the leave at a time so the ‘baby can bond with the primary caregiver’. A baby needs to bond with both parents. The reality for many two parent families in modern times is that there is no one primary caregiver, but rather two parents raising the child/ren together.

    This is a backward step for a ‘progressive’ party, unless of course they are only opposing out of habit because National suggested it, in which case have they forgotten they are in Government and no longer in opposition, they don’t need to oppose for the sake of it.

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  4. Corky

     /  November 15, 2017

    Lol.. Philippines president told Jacinda he was talking to her because his officials told him to. Barry Soper said the president was talking a load of rubbish to Jacinda.

    Damn. I guess the Prez knows a soppy liberal when he sees one. Maybe he was being sexist? Still, if I was Jacinda, I wouldn’t worry. In three years time, talking to world leaders won’t be part of her CV.

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    • Gezza

       /  November 15, 2017

      If he knew about your supplement-taking he might have had you murdered, you realise?

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    • Gezza

       /  November 15, 2017

      The man is a class A psycho, Corks!
      And psychotic. He gave a press conference after he landed in Manila, fir Christ’s sake – to tell the Press that God spoke to him on the flight & told him that if he didn’t stop fkn swearing he’d bring down the plane!

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    • Gezza

       /  November 15, 2017

      In three years time, talking to world leaders won’t be part of her CV.
      My bet, even if she lost the next election, is that she probably still would be.

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  5. Alan Wilkinson

     /  November 15, 2017

    Splendid. Labour’s back complete with transport strikes. Enjoy your Xmas holidays if you can and Labour’s unions let you, folks.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11944198

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    • Corky

       /  November 15, 2017

      Yep, one term at the most. Kiwis get pissed right off when their holiday plans are interrupted.

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      • Gezza

         /  November 15, 2017

        That is quite correct & we certainly don’t want a return to Ferry Strikes every Easter & Xmas, however the withdrawal of Labour, the workers’ only recourse, is not happening in the holidays, and the owners are at fault. Please see my comment below – as it appears you haven’t read the article.

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  November 16, 2017

      I think they are going on strike just to give you something to grumble about.

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  6. Gezza

     /  November 15, 2017

    “We all regret the disruption this will cause for Wellington commuters, and we encourage them to ask the regional council, and their mayors, some hard questions about why big international companies are being allowed to run down good Wellington jobs.”

    Butson said the two multinational companies were demanding the removal of long-standing terms and conditions in the collective agreement.

    He said strike action was the only option they had left “to get the boss to sit down and be reasonable”.”

    The owners appear to be solely at the root of this action, Sir Alan. Behaving badly.

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  November 15, 2017

      Well if the union guy says so…

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  November 15, 2017

      TransDev spokesperson David Gould has lashed out at the union, saying the company has already agreed to meet with workers without disrupting the train schedules.

      “We’ve been working for months now to develop a process for meeting that doesn’t disrupt trains. That means holding meetings on a Saturday. We pay for attendance at those meetings at overtime rates,” he said.

      “They signed that agreement on the 23rd of August, the pen was still in Wayne Butson’s hand and he said right now we’re going to ballot through industrial action.”

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      • Gezza

         /  November 15, 2017

        What is the point of meeting if the company simply want to discuss their agreeing to a reduction in existing employment conditions? This sounds like PR spin – you will note it comes from the Company’s Spin Doctor.

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      • Gezza

         /  November 15, 2017

        Why is it that whenever the execs of a company like this want to reduce their employees’ working conditions or cut or suppress their pay they never offer to lead by example by first slashing their own?

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        • High Flying Duck

           /  November 15, 2017

          Why did Butson sign up to the meetings and then announce strike action?
          You could argue the employers are to blame, or you could argue a far more union friendly Government has just come in and so the Unions are going to milk it.
          We don’t actually know the issues at stake – just the Union rep’s spin on it.

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          • Gezza

             /  November 15, 2017

            Well, has he actually said they’re not going to the meetings?

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            • High Flying Duck

               /  November 15, 2017

              I don’t know Gezz.
              I’m not involved with this at all, and have no great insight. I was just pointing out that the Union Rep may not be the most impartial source of information – and neither is the Company spin doctor.
              No point jumping on the company or on the workers as the villain without full details.
              Alan’s point that strike action and threats of strikes have begun in short order with the new Government still stands though.

            • Gezza

               /  November 15, 2017

              Alan’s got it in for unions, H.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  November 15, 2017

              Remind me how often the transport unions went on strike with a Nat Govt, Sir Gerald? So why have employers suddenly got unreasonable?

            • Gezza

               /  November 15, 2017

              They now might have to pay their employees more, and/or in this case they might now be able to be stopped from reducing their conditions, Sir Alan. Usual story.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  November 15, 2017

              No, the usual story is that with a Labour Government lap dog the unions exercise their muscle at the expense of the public, Sir Gerald.

      • Corky

         /  November 15, 2017

        Great altitude, High Flyer. You have risen above this issue and seen it clearly. The union is at fault. And thanks to the dribbly wet government, this union carry-on will be de rigueur for their one term in office.

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        • Gezza

           /  November 15, 2017

          They’re the government because of non-voters not turning up & voting for National!
          You KNOW it! So shaddup ya bloody whinging & vote next time!
          Jesus non-voters piss me off! Bludging off voters!

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  7. Corky

     /  November 15, 2017

    I like Stephen Franks. He appeared on the late Syd Jackson radio show in the early 2000’s.
    As an aside, this show regularly used racist language to denigrate Europeans and Maori like me who didn’t follow his/their tribal way of thinking. Honky, maggots, Brown House Nigger, all cheerful names you would hear on that programme. Never heard one official complaint.

    Anyway, one day I tuned in to receive my regular airwaves abuse. This time Jackson wasn’t at the helm and Franks was part of a panel discussion on a constitution if I remember correctly.

    One of the best discussions I had ever heard. No screaming, yelling and other crap. Just excellent dialogue, and so laid back it was like a group of friends talking on the veranda.

    So, it comes as no surprise Franks nails this topic nicely. He adds some facts I wasn’t aware of. For example..the liberal left in New Zealand were originally Jew lovers, not haters. Really? Man, that’s hard to believe.

    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/11/stephen-franks-shares-fine-post-clearly-explains-problems-left-wing-israel/

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    • phantom snowflake

       /  November 15, 2017

      I have met Syd. What might surprise some people is that, in person, he could be very gracious and pleasant to pakeha. I think he took on a persona for his radio show, just as *some* of us do here.

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      • Corky

         /  November 15, 2017

        Yeah, I know some of his whanau well. He’s also a Nelson College old boy. But while he could be charming, I doubt he he was putting on a persona. He had genuine chips on his shoulders . His father, Everard was also rumoured to have a chip on his shoulder. However, I don’t know the first hand.

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        • phantom snowflake

           /  November 15, 2017

          We’re probably both right; he was a complex person and more than just the “Maori Radical” stereotype.

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  November 15, 2017

      It is an excellent article Corky, and sums the Israel situation up very well, and how the Palestinians have used propaganda to get sympathy.

      Stephen Franks is very astute.

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    • Gezza

       /  November 15, 2017

      Are you “Maori” or Pakeha -Maori Corks?

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      • Gezza

         /  November 15, 2017

        This is a serious question, Corky, because you post like someone who has pakeha and maori ancestry and who favours the pakeha ancestry and culture only.

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  8. Corky

     /  November 15, 2017

    Crikey, Gezzas gone feral.

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    • Gezza

       /  November 15, 2017

      Question Time Corks! 😀
      Speaker Trev is in the Chair. All hail Speaker Trev. He’s just given Grant a serve!

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    • Gezza

       /  November 15, 2017

      Kelvin is answering all the questions on PPL in Maori, Corks, you’ll be pleased to hear.

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      • Gezza

         /  November 15, 2017

        And … Trev just told the Acting PM (Kelvin) that he didn’t get the answer right, so Bill could ask it again. He’s a good Speaker, is Trev!

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  9. Gezza

     /  November 15, 2017

    Look, I’m telling ya guys – QT is riveting stuff. Go there or be square!! 😀

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  10. Gezza

     /  November 15, 2017

    Christ – Julie Ann just ripped strips of skin off Paula’s hide, metaphorically speaking.
    Paula whinged that the Government didn’t lose a supplementary for doing what she did. Trev apologised for being inconsistent and said when he gets everything right he’ll be surprised.
    Ok – now everyone – QT is repeated at 6pm and 10 pm daily on Freeview Channel 31 & comes highly recommended to those of you still slaving your guts out at work.

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    • Gezza

       /  November 15, 2017

      Why do the Nats seem to be so nasty & negative? I thought it was only lefties who were like that?

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      • Gezza

         /  November 15, 2017

        Joyce just cost the Nats another supplementary … slow learner.

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        • Gezza

           /  November 15, 2017

          And Paula just had to withdraw and apologise properly because she was flippant the first time 😀

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          • Gezza

             /  November 15, 2017

            Question Time has ended. Superbly and efficiently managed by Speaker Trev.
            Big ups. End the rubbishy nonsense that went on under his predecessor.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  November 15, 2017

              Did we learn anything?

            • Corky

               /  November 15, 2017

              Trev is a bovver boy speaker of the house. Still, as long as he’s fair, and he seems to be given Gezzas commentary, I have no problems with that.

            • Gezza

               /  November 15, 2017

              Yes – we learned that the government is a match for the opposition, and that all the members are going to get smacked for wasting time by Speaker Trev. I’m sure you will agree it’s long past time when Question Time was used properly for the purpose of informing the public ,and not just for being a bloody endless circus on both sides, Sir Alan.

            • Gezza

               /  November 15, 2017

              Good show, Corky. You are a scholar and a gentleman, at least this once! 👍🏼 💂🏻

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  November 15, 2017

              I was trying to understand whether it did inform the public or merely entertained you, Sir Gerald. So far I’m inclined to the latter opinion in view of your response.

            • Gezza

               /  November 15, 2017

              Suggest you watch the replay at 10 pm this evening, Sir Alan, after which I will happily accept your apology.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  November 15, 2017

              There won’t be any apology, Sir Gerald, since when directly asked you provided no information leading to a different conclusion.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  November 15, 2017

              .. and you know I don’t watch videos.

            • Gezza

               /  November 15, 2017

              Nonsense, Sir Alan. This is not exactly “videos”, it’s a telly repeat. The only other thing I can suggest is that you read Hansard, tiresome. (Although at least you will be able to read the English translations of the Acting PM’s answers in Maori – organising a contemporaneous English translation service for the riveted non-Maori speaking home viewer should a priority for Speaker Trev imo. The last Speaker was tardily remiss in not arranging this.)

              Should one take it that you never watch television news broadcasts because they feature “videos”?

              I suggest you need to practice some apologies, as you may be needing to make a few in the New Year when the apocalyse does not arrive.

            • Gezza

               /  November 15, 2017

              🙄 * apocalyPse, soz.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  November 15, 2017

              I’ve already surmised the apocalypse will be on strike by then, Sir Gerald. I rarely watch TV news now since it mostly consists of simpering twits telling me what I should think.

              I’ll give you one more chance to tell us what QT revealed other than the entertainment of adults being treated like children.

            • Gezza

               /  November 15, 2017

              There were 12 Main Questions, and dozens of supplementaries Sir Alan. If you wish to know precisely what the questions and answers were & see who learned what, then you should watch the televised proceedings or read Hansard and reach your own conclusions.

              In a nutshell, QT revealed that the new Speaker expects the government to give proper answers to Questions, and the Opposition to ask proper Questions, for Members to stick to the topic, to not be rude or objectionable in their behaviour and interjections and to generally behave themselves. He treats the business of the House at Question Time more seriously, more intelligently, and more fairly, I think, than his prececessor.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  November 15, 2017

              I got that. I just haven’t got whether QT added anything significant to the sum of human knowledge.

              On the other side of the world it looks as though Mugabe may be finally on the way out the door. Hallelujah for small and terribly belated mercies.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  November 15, 2017

              I’m going to ‘tune in’ at ten G, but only to review the quality of your commentary. If what you say is true, Kelvin deserves a good swift kick in the arse. As much as I think that ‘It’s cool to Korero’, parliamentary business should be conducted in the language that is understood by everyone.

            • Gezza

               /  November 15, 2017

              Aww … fair go, patu! When have I EVER put ya crook? 😳

            • Gezza

               /  November 15, 2017

              As much as I think that ‘It’s cool to Korero’, parliamentary business should be conducted in the language that is understood by everyone.

              Well, if everyone learnt it at school it soon wouldn’t be a problem except for immigrants. Meantime a contemporaneous translation would be a good solution. Works for fine Moving Out.

              It IS an official language e hoa. Calling ya missus ataahua wahine all the time doesn’t cover it, ya know.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  November 15, 2017

              The whole nation should learn a language so that a handful of individuals can gratuitously flaunt it in Parliament? Honestly, Sir Gerald, what official language nonsense. Ok for the translation service. Listeners will draw their own conclusions about the value of the contributions.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  November 15, 2017

              @ G

              It IS an official language e hoa. Calling ya missus ataahua wahine all the time doesn’t cover it, ya know.

              I refer to my lady as that, because calling her ‘lovely woman’ would just sound cheesy. ‘Ataahua wahine’ flows much better, and when I say it aloud, it ‘captures the essence’ of how I feel about her, far better than our ‘mother tongue’ ever could. Maori is good like that…
              Anyhow, I digress. NZ sign language is also an official language, but we don’t see a certain ‘hearing challenged’ Green MP waving her hands about, and expecting us to understand her gestures, do we? She speaks English, even though she can’t hear herself do so, which means she does sound a bit funny at times. But everyone who is listening can understand her. She has every right to communicate by ‘signing’, but chooses not to do so, in order to be easily understood by others.

            • Gezza

               /  November 15, 2017

              Sorry patu. Not buying it, bro.
              You came out of the closet over the referendum on the Maori seats.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  November 15, 2017

              Did I? I seem to recall saying I supported keeping them, but I suspect that you may be furiously trawling the archives as I type, hoping to find a quote to use against me… 😛

            • Gezza

               /  November 15, 2017

              I have no need to trawl.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  November 15, 2017

              So your search was unsuccessful then? 😀

            • Gezza

               /  November 15, 2017

              A non-search is not an unsuccessful one.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  November 15, 2017

              True G. Sorry for the misunderstanding.:)

  11. lurcher1948

     /  November 15, 2017

    https://scontent.fpmr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19642804_1345459668899665_5661156674067888932_n.jpg?oh=97e52e5cd05d2957bb04229bf23bd0cd&oe=5AA4C03E
    Kitty ,here is RED (velvet ears) at speed with a cameo of the old 68 yo fart that is me on his way to a 3rd placing and ribbon last weekend, Next weekend it is Clive, WE GET AROUND
    This is such a nice picture, notice he went up fast as the seesaw hasnt dropped and hes nearly at the end, its so much fun handling RED,FUN.This was shot at DAWGs 30th year anniversary at Upper Hutt. so you can find out who i am, Im not a SJW….

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  November 15, 2017

      the old 68 yo fart that is me … a mere youth, Lurch. I’ve got a few years on you so I guess that accounts for the wisdom. There’s hope for you yet.

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      • His ears really DO look like velvet; a very dear dogfriend down the road has them, too. He’s the pigdog who lets cats and kittens bully him and bash him up, so I won’t embarrass him by naming him.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  November 15, 2017

          Our Gemma has such big velvety ears we call her aeroplane ears because when she shakes her head it sounds like a helicopter taking off. She loves having them rubbed but only on the outside. Otherwise she play bites you.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  November 16, 2017

            Mine likes to have his pulled gently and rubbed-they are long and furry and he can move them qyute expressively.

            A friend had a dog who could spin his tail like a propellor. It really did go around in circles-I have never seen another dog who could spin his tail.

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  12. lurcher1948

     /  November 15, 2017

    Alan W there is wisdom sitting down, try beating long-legged girls with border collies with legs up to their necks, you have to be exceptional and lucky and using 20plus years of skills

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  13. lurcher1948

     /  November 15, 2017

    Kitty,RED and i in action, i dont recall doing what i do when i run and handle,its interesting…
    https://scontent.fpmr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23517747_1345459995566299_3980843900795798274_n.jpg?oh=ad5c9eed47475201afa2f110db9e13be&oe=5AA6A96C

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  14. I hear that Carmel Sepuloni wants to remove the obligation to declare the father’s name and penalty for not doing so when women claim the DPB. Heaven forbid that the father should have to fork out for his child-that’s what taxpayers are for.

    So now men are not obliged to provide for their children unless they do so under the table-thus increasing the mother’s income tax-free.

    Daddy state rather than nanny state in this case.

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  15. Gezza

     /  November 15, 2017

    Beehive Letters update:

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