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17 November 2017

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48 Comments

  1. lurcher1948

     /  November 17, 2017

    First world problems,Ron Mark wears his service medals in the wrong order and it makes it into the herald and kiwiblog.Todays headline labour uses to much toilet paper…its going to be a long 3 years for the right.

    • It matters that the Minister of Defence doesn’t follow accepted military protocols. It matters that a long time champion of superannuation is found to have been overpaid for years.

      • lurcher1948

         /  November 17, 2017

        Well it will all come out in court,must buy popcorn when Bill English is on the stand.

      • Conspiratoor

         /  November 17, 2017

        Perhaps, but who hasn’t broken the rules from time to time. God knows there are enough of them.
        What matters to me is whether the perpetraitors knowingly broke the rules or breached protocol and how they conducted themselves after their misdeeds were exposed

    • Missy

       /  November 17, 2017

      Any former service person wearing their medals incorrectly will be told about it, the fact that this one is the Minister of Defence makes it worse, especially when he gives pre-eminence to medals earned in service to a foreign country that he has not received the Queen’s permission (via the GG) to wear.

      You thinking it is minor shows either your ignorance of military protocol, or your contempt for our defence force and their traditions – traditions that many of them take very seriously, if the first then listen to those that do know, if the second then I find that attitude disgraceful.

      • lurcher1948

         /  November 17, 2017

        Have you got it on good authority that he hasn’t being given permission from the GG or are you going by Farrars kiwiblog/herald post,anything to attack the govt.

        • lurcher1948

           /  November 17, 2017

          As an aside I have my father’s medals African star,Italian star etc etc and wear them with pride at the dawn parade and before some hate filled rightwinger brings it up,i wear them on the other side than the service men do.

        • He’s now asking for permission, therefore he didn’t have permission.

          • lurcher1948

             /  November 17, 2017

            Headline
            GOVT FALLS due to
            Ron Mark WEARING MEDALS IN WRONG ORDER,GASP,SHOCK, HORROR…

            • robertguyton

               /  November 17, 2017

              lurcher1984 – it’s the news we’ve been expecting from the moment this Coalition of Losers snatched the reins from the Rightful Government of New Zealand, Bill’s Boys! Everybody here knew/i> it would only be a matter of days before Ardern’s Rabble blew it! Thank Thatcher they didn’t do too much harm before they collapsed in a flailing heap of Left wing goop!

            • You have confused the two separate and different issues. Wearing the medals at all. Wearing them in the wrong order. The potential frailty of the coalition is a totally separate issue.

        • Missy

           /  November 17, 2017

          “Have you got it on good authority that he hasn’t being given permission from the GG or are you going by Farrars kiwiblog/herald post,anything to attack the govt.”

          I am going by the fact he is now requesting permission of the GG to wear his Omani medals. That says he did not have permission.

  2. Comment of the Day goes to Sanctuary, on The Standard
    “Sanctuary 1
    17 November 2017 at 6:59 am
    Took some time to savour the right wing web sites last night. By Jupiter, they’ve become completely unhinged since the Labour led coalition took power. Farrar has gone completely troppo, posting bitter diatribes and editorially is apparently taking on Breitbart, complete with stories about how ruggedly individualistic flying cars are going to save us from socialist trains.

    The old school ACToids have always been viciously barking mad, but under Key and National they were able to keep their Galtian predilictions for a ruthless social Darwinism run by authoritarian nihilists under wraps. Now it is completely out of the bag, the rantings from the like of Rodders and Hoskings are awesome fun to read.

    But most importantly, I have been struck by how old they all sound, how jarringly yesterday their message is. Jacinda has already achieved one thing – she has smashed the long, paralysing lee the 1980s-90 ideologues have exercised on our society. In a strange way, it is like the country went into the election becalmed in 1996, and suddenly woke up in 2017.”

    • A bit ironic Sanctuary accusing others of being unhinged, he can be all over the place. Like last week:

      What do you expect, when the Labour chief whip is that useless piece of past it dead wood Ruth Dyson? She should get the bullet for this fiasco, but she won’t because she is a woman with all the right connections in the party’s factions.

      What do you expect, when the Labour chief whip is that useless piece of past it dead wood Ruth Dyson? She should get the bullet for this fiasco, but she won’t because she is a woman with all the right connections in the party’s factions.

    • And a couple of weeks ago:

      Grant Roberstson’s backsliding recently has revealed him as the self-serving managerialist and self-serving careerist he always has been, and just now this morning David Parker has been backsliding and being tricky on the TPP.

      Labour needs to understand they were elected on a change platform. If the likes of Parker and Robeertson are allowed to let Labour slip into business as usual, neoliberal managerialism they will lose – and lose badly – in 2020.

      https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-31102017/#comment-1407456

      He may end up more disappointed in Ardern’s government than the Kiwibloggers.

      • robertguyton

         /  November 17, 2017

        Disappointed he didn’t mention you, Pete?
        I’m guessing he’s given you a serve sometime in the past, hence your reaction and I bet you’ve got that saved on your PC 🙂

        • Thin Ice RG. Pete goes to an enormous amount of trouble to provide this forum. He’s fair, he’s reasonable and he’s ridiculously tolerant.

        • Gezza

           /  November 17, 2017

          From my observations PG’s more bemused than anything else by the reactions he gets from the occasional post on TS Robert. So are the rest of us. Just to ask a simlple question over there can stir up a hornets nest. Although they have some pet righties who are allowed to fight the good fight on behalf of righties everywhere, they’re not exactly welcoming of anyone who is neutral or just curious.

        • PDB

           /  November 17, 2017

          Considering PG obviously puts up with trolls from the Standard intent on spamming this site & adding absolutely no value to the discussions one can hardly call this blog ‘right-wing’ Robert…

  3. PartisanZ

     /  November 17, 2017

    You heard it here first …. Professor Janine Hayward’s Inaugural Professorial Lecture begins at approx 10.00 til 45.50 … ‘Te Tiriti o Waitangi, the Constitution and our political imagination’

    Enjoy!

    Ψ

    • Gezza

       /  November 17, 2017

      Hey PZ. 👋🏼 Long time no see.
      Just a quick visit? Happy with the election result?

      • PartisanZ

         /  November 17, 2017

        First of an occasional pre-Xmas ambush Gezza … Hope you’ll listen to Prof Janine and hear the [inevitable] future of our nation … It’s gone mainstream ‘political science’ …

        Election result?

        The remarkable extent of some progressive utterances – e.g. a ‘colonization’ component to Maori depression & suicide – and the already improved ‘psychic environment’ of Aotearoa NZ speak for themselves …

        And a lot remains to be seen …

        • PartisanZ

           /  November 17, 2017

          “As McHugh noted, listening is hard to do when one is used to dominating the conversation” – 36.03 …

          Out …

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  November 17, 2017

          A nostalgic reminder of how an hour’s arts lecture usually finished up as a couple of paragraphs of notes.

          • PartisanZ

             /  November 17, 2017

            Allow me to translate: Alan says, “I avoid using irrelevant diversion …”

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  November 17, 2017

              So your take-aways from that 35mins out of your life were?

    • Blazer

       /  November 17, 2017

      welcome back..Pz,I’ve missed your informative…monologues.

      • PartisanZ

         /  November 17, 2017

        Perhaps what Dame Edna describes as the basis of a ‘talk show’ also applies to blogs like this Blazer? “A monologue with occasional interruptions by complete strangers”?

        “This [the recent ‘consultative’ Constitutional paradigm] stands in stark contrast to the view that a new Constitution discontinues or extinguishes the pre-existing culture or customs of the groups engaged; and makes them all ONE PEOPLE; or that a Constitution can impose rights or declare rights on behalf of other people … [on the contrary, in the latest model], cultural diversity is acknowledged, celebrated and protected” – Prof Janine Hayward, IPL 38.50 on …

        The garden calls … See ya next ‘issue’ …

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  November 17, 2017

          One people, many cultures is hardly a novel notion.

  4. Corky

     /  November 17, 2017

    Someone who understands the real world…the ability to handle necessities in life before going on a hikoi of discovery in your own little world.

    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/11/fat-tony-dead-right-doesnt-seem-much-howling-either/#more-345532

    • Gezza

       /  November 17, 2017

      Shilling for WO again, Corky? 🙄
      News flash! Nobody pays any more attention to ‘Fat Tony’ Mike Williams than they do to Cameron ‘Vote For Winston’ Slater these days.

  5. PartisanZ

     /  November 17, 2017

    Shoot … Did I say “occasional”? Damn!

    “Imagine there was a single policy that would slash unemployment and underemployment, tackle health conditions ranging from mental distress to high blood pressure, increase productivity, help the environment, improve family lives, encourage men to do more household tasks, and make people happier …”

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/16/working-four-day-week-hours-labour

    Ψ

    • PDB

       /  November 17, 2017

      Nothing stopping people now doing less than 40 hours a week – for instance working for themselves or working part-time. It’s called a ‘choice’. Or is the argument that businesses should pay the equivalent of a 40 hour week to people only working 32 hours?

      Kiwi productivity is so poor we would be lucky to get 20 hours solid work out of the 40+ hours many workers are getting paid for. Paying more money for less hours worked won’t fix this problem.

      • PartisanZ

         /  November 17, 2017

        So PDB, you’re saying the ‘standard’ 40 hour week our ancestors fought so hard to achieve has no influence across society, throughout industries, government agencies and economic sectors? That a contractor or sub-contractor, for instance, is perfectly “free” to ‘choose’ shorter hours? Get real.

        As the article states, the shorter working week has led to increased productivity in many places its been tried …

        • PDB

           /  November 17, 2017

          If you wish to work shorter hours than 40 hours/week you can and many do – just be prepared to sacrifice some income & plan accordingly for that lifestyle decision.

          The article’s suggestion that increased productivity could then be passed onto workers is a liberal nonsense when in actual fact you can only get this to work across the board if they somehow force employers to pay the same wage for less hours or a form of UBI is introduced which we all know by now (except you I suggest) would be unaffordable.

  6. Corky

     /  November 17, 2017

    Spot the terrorist? Spot the taqiyya ? Spot the country? Spot the rational thought?

    • phantom snowflake

       /  November 17, 2017

      Uncle! This is not Whale Oil! Do behave.

      • Pickled Possum

         /  November 17, 2017

        Do Not worry SF he seems to think all things are named Spot.
        We all know it just a dog.

        • phantom snowflake

           /  November 17, 2017

          Thanks PP. Great antidote to hatred and bigotry.

          • Corky

             /  November 17, 2017

            Obviously you haven’t seen the clip. Keep your head in the sand. I bet it’s safe in there.

      • Corky

         /  November 17, 2017

        Uncle? You know my stance on Muslims. Has Whaleoil sole rights on this issue? Good to see you have been over there. I hope you haven’t been posting though…like those other Lefties.

        • phantom snowflake

           /  November 17, 2017

          No, despite your previous insinuations about the mysterious “3 news blog”, which I can’t find anywhere; this is the only blog I’ve ever commented on.