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24 November 2017

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  1. Corky

     /  November 24, 2017

    The ancient art of dowsing. It cracks me up observing people who think dowsing is either bs, or reserved for special people. The truth is anyone can practice dowsing and become very good at it. I don’t know why they aren’t dowsing for the missing Argentinean submarine.

    Professional sceptic and arch enemy of charlatans, James Randi, did a controlled scientific experiment( unimpeachable) proving conclusively dowsing is simple self delusion and doesn’t work.

    However, anyone practising dowsing, and observing that experiment will know why it was fatally flawed. It did however highlight why dowsers need pinpoint concentration.

    There are many tools used for dowsing. Some people move beyond tools and just use their hands.

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    • unitedtribes2

       /  November 24, 2017

      Just sexed all my chickens yesterday using this method. Never fails. Also was able to show the plumber were the pipe was leaking. He could find the pipe but dowsing prevented the need to dig up the retire garden. Use a nail on a string or bent coat hangers myself but anything will work.

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      • Conspiratoor

         /  November 24, 2017

        I’m one of the world’s top 10 sceptics. Until I had a visit from a Chorus contractor a few years ago. I knew the copper cable was down there somewhere. When his device failed, he got out his trusty wires ..and bugger me! He was spot on as we found out later, although infill had buried it almost 2m down

        Under his tutelage I tried without any success whatsoever and concluded it must be a gift only granted to some

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      • lurcher1948

         /  November 24, 2017

        I use Dowser in winter when running RED.If its raining hard and blowing a howling wind and
        a stick on the ground is wet and moving around i know RED doesn’t really want to run, thanks for the info Corky…just saying

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        • Corky

           /  November 24, 2017

          You will make a good dowser, Lurchy. You are ‘gifted.”

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  November 24, 2017

            I have seen dowsing-my stepfather could do it, and my grandfather could-I never knew him, but he was gifted in that sort of thing. Not everyone can do it. I think that a forked willow branch is the usual tool.

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    • patupaiarehe

       /  November 24, 2017

      Haven’t watched that video yet Corky, but I’ve won several boxes of beer, due to my dowsing ‘skills’. Let me share a story, about the first box I won…
      We were in the final stages, of erecting the steelwork of a commercial building, and as the apprentice, I was tasked with finding the sewer connection. My boss pointed out the manhole across the road, and said that the sewer most likely ran perpendicular to the road, so I should start digging opposite it. “How far down is it”, I asked, to which he replied “I don’t fucking know, I’m not a bloody plumber!”. Sensing that his statement was entirely accurate, I went back to the work truck, cut a 1m length of stainless tig wire in half, then bent both bits 90 degrees, 150mm from the end. Holding both lightly in my hands, I walked along the kerb until I felt a pull, and the wires crossed. I marked a line perpendicular to the kerb with my boot. By now, my boss had seen what I was doing, and shouted at me “Whaddayafuckendoin, boy!”. I replied, “Finding the end of the sewer pipe”. He laughed, and in front of all the other tradesmen on site, said “I’ll buy a box if you can!”.
      I went 2m into the section, and walked parallel to the kerb, until I felt a pull, and the wires crossed again. Once again, I marked the spot with a line perpendicular to the kerb.
      “Can I have a can of ‘dazzle’ please”, I asked my boss, & he threw one at me.
      Starting at the mark I had made beside the kerb, (with the wires crossed & pulling down), I walked towards the other mark, and past it, until the wires suddenly uncrossed, and stopped pulling. I marked the spot with an ‘X’, around 1m by 1m. I smiled at my boss, and said, “I think it is here, & if it is, you owe a box!”. He replied, “Why aren’t you digging junior!”.
      I was about a metre down, when he picked an opportune moment to come over & gloat about how stupid I was. Which was great, because when my spade hit the cap of the sewer pipe, there were a couple of witnesses. I didn’t need to say a word, as one of the chippies piped up first….
      “Shit mate, looks like you better go buy a box!” 😀

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      • Corky

         /  November 24, 2017

        Damn fine work, Patu. And fruitful too.

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        • patupaiarehe

           /  November 24, 2017

          Why thank you Corky. I don’t know how or why it works, but it does.

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      • Blazer

         /  November 24, 2017

        Very good Patu,I have noticed that you often have your…wires crossed.

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        • patupaiarehe

           /  November 24, 2017

          Great to see that you are starting your sentences with…capital…letters

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          • Blazer

             /  November 24, 2017

            I implore you to finish yours with a…fullstop. 😉

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            • patupaiarehe

               /  November 24, 2017

              I did that on purpose, just to see if you would notice. Obviously you have nothing better…to…do. 😛

  2. Alan Wilkinson

     /  November 24, 2017

    I’ve used one but will never know if it really worked or not. We got good water but who knows what would have happened if we had just drilled somewhere at random. Our water quality was good but flow was low. Our neighbour 50m away had high flow, lousy water.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  November 24, 2017

      Second time and place we just drilled in the only convenient place. Got good water, good flow but deep. Your guess is as good as mine.

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    • Corky

       /  November 24, 2017

      Your dowser wasn’t very good. He should had first mapped out the water veins on your property for you. Then given you the quality of the water. Next the depth and flow rate. In other words whether it was worth it or not to drill.

      A practice that blows even my mind are dowsers who claim to be a able to change the path of a water vein. They hammer large stakes into the ground at certain points on the alleged water vein and vibrate then.

      I can’t comment because I have never seen that done. But, if true, it sounds like a version of fracking. In that case what damage is fracking creating?

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      • robertguyton

         /  November 24, 2017

        Fracking is enormously damaging in a variety of ways, not the least being the uglification of what was once attractive farmland. See “The Bently Effect” trailer.

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  3. Alan Wilkinson

     /  November 24, 2017
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    • Corky

       /  November 24, 2017

      Tautoko

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  November 24, 2017

        I wouldn’t describe this man as a teacher,as Stuff does. not when the children are that small and in nappies, but what a damned shame. I would think that most or all little boys ‘touch themselves’ -they don’t see it as dirty or rude, they don’t know that some parts of their bodies are considered to be sexual.

        In China, false accusers are given the sentence that the accused would have been given had they been guilty, or so I have read.

        A Hamilton schoolmaster had absurd accusations made. He supposedly picked up a 10 year old (I think that they were 10-they were older primary school pupils, anyway) and ran through the playground unnoticed-despite the fact that something like inspectors’ visits were happening that day-took them into a classroom and abused them. He was acquitted, but left teaching, and the profession lost a popular and good teacher because of someone’s malice.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  November 24, 2017

          Two boys-one under each arm, I meant to say.

          In Palmerston North, everyone who had passed on the story about a music teacher who was wrongly accused had to print a retraction and apology in the local paper-with their name on it.

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    • Corky

       /  November 24, 2017

      And compulsory public naming should be mandatory. No exceptions accepted.

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  4. Blazer

     /  November 24, 2017

    Look at the Peter Ellis travesty…10k for anyone who endorsed the ..fantasy.

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  5. Corky

     /  November 24, 2017

    Whaleoil may be one moderator down.

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    • I think he will leave a big gap there.

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      • MaureenW

         /  November 24, 2017

        Definitely leave a hole. He dug one for the site, it’s still there.

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        • MaureenW

           /  November 24, 2017

          Whaleoil used to be interesting, edgy, funny (and a bit shocking), none of the things it is today.

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          • Conspiratoor

             /  November 24, 2017

            Agree Maureen. Raw, visceral, No holds barred. The sanitised version (comments) was never the same for me, although I understand why Cam allowed Pete to take it down that route. Will be interesting to see if it reverts to type

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