Ghahraman open at times about her defence work

Newshub details Five times Golriz Ghahraman was open about her defence work.

1. The Herald‘s “Green MP Golriz Ghahraman on a life-changing year in Rwanda

“The mission was to individualise blame so groups don’t keep going in a cycle of violence. The point was to leave a legacy of everyone being equal before the law and change the culture of impunity so you don’t get to do whatever you want just because you’re the president .

“As told to Paul Little” – it doesn’t say when.

2. The Herald, again – but it didn’t make it past draft stage

“The story was supposed to be part of a pre-election series. But we used it when she was elected. Call me naive but I assumed getting defence experience was normal, not a big deal, and there were other more relevant things to include.”

Via Twitter, referring to an article on 7 October 2017 – Meet Golriz Ghahraman, the Green Party’s newest Member of Parliament.

3. Vice “We Can’t Rely on Majority Rule”: Meet NZ’s First Refugee MP

As a lawyer, Ghahraman has worked in International Criminal Tribunals in Yugoslavia, Cambodia and Rwanda. She’s worked on both sides of the fence—while in the Khmer Rouge Tribunal she was working as a prosecutor, but in Rwanda and Yugoslavia Ghahraman worked on the defence teams of people accused of appalling human rights abuses.

Despite coming from a strong advocacy background, she says she didn’t find it difficult defending perpetrators.

“No, I believe so strongly in the process,” Ghahraman says. “If you’re going to convict someone, you have to know what those individuals were actually responsible for. We have to have a fair process, because how we treat the worst people in our society actually does define us. Having that fair process after a war has happened really will define the kind of society that comes out of it.”

Her human rights background is key to why she decided to run for parliament at all—to pursue a human rights-based framework for policy and lawmaking. “Rights are universal, we achieve them by virtue of being human. We don’t have to achieve the moral high ground or some other measure of success, it’s a framework which protects the most vulnerable.

– 10 October 2017.

4. LinkedIn https://nz.linkedin.com/in/golriz-ghahraman-28aa9a17

Defence team on for the United Nations Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda.

 

5. NZ Law Society’s LawTalk magazine

“She has worked as a prosecutor and defence lawyer at United Nations tribunals for Rwanda, the former Yugoslavia, and the Khmer Rouge tribunal in Cambodia, on trials of former heads of state accused of committing international crimes and human rights violations.”

– 3 November 2017

It’s obvious she didn’t try to hide her defence work, it just wasn’t presented openly and accurately on ger Green Party profile.

There may be more.

 

46 Comments

  1. Missy

     /  November 30, 2017

    The big issue with this story is more about how the Greens (and to a degree herself) are perceived to have covered up that she did the defence work.

    Whilst she doesn’t appear to have covered it up herself, she certainly did nothing to correct the impression provided by some articles that glossed over it, or her profile by the Green Party.

    It was naive at best, deliberately deceptive (by the Greens) at worst. I think it is somewhere in between.

    • Missy

       /  November 30, 2017

      I will also add, that the defence work itself is not something that should be an issue, only the way it was presented – or not presented. Even if she didn’t think it would be seen that way there should have been someone in the Greens who should have realised how it would all be perceived when finally picked up by the media / public.

      Once again the Greens have handled something very badly, they look like amateurs.

    • Greens have been fast tracked into the realities of being a party scrutinised in Government.

      • Missy

         /  November 30, 2017

        Indeed, and it doesn’t look like they learned anything from the Metiria Turei debacle before the election.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  November 30, 2017

          I agree, Missy. She has also made it sound as if she was personally responsible for prosecuting this one and that one. If she’s part of a team, then surely it was a case of being given the case to defend or prosecute.

          I worked for the then Minister of Education, and it would be easy for me to make my work sound much more important than it actually was. I wrote ministerials, among other things, after doing research upon the subjects…I was in and out of the Beehive….I was in and out of the Minister’s offices…I was a clerk.

          The ‘selfie’ was an incredible gaffe. It’s like someone having a lovey-dovey, my new best friend photo taken with Goebbels.

  2. Tipene

     /  November 30, 2017

    [Incorrect name use] was hiding in plain site. None of those “disclosures” were actively advocated in the public domain – quite the opposite, she either “reframed” or deliberately lied by omission about them.

    Politically, she’s a dead pretend-refugee walking.

    Whatever happens now, [Incorrect name use] is a blip on the spectrum of political irrelevancy.

    I’d say her legal career is pretty well done as well – I can;t imagine anyone wanting to now hire an apologist for genocide.

    • Is there any evidence to back up “an apologist for genocide”?

      • Tipene

         /  November 30, 2017

        The article she co-authored.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  November 30, 2017

          The article (and the whole basis of the defense she volunteered to help present) are pretty damning and yet have been skipped over by those defending her.
          Not sure how putting forward discredited victim blaming accounts of the causes of genocide is considered “just doing your job”

          • Blazer

             /  November 30, 2017

            You have to believe in natural justice..i.e a fair trial to..grasp the ..concept.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  November 30, 2017

              Even the Law society said lawyers were appointed as defense to ensure a fair trial – they certainly didn’t say they rushed to volunteer.
              I thought a fair trial involved putting up the facts to prove the accused’s innocence, rather than writing papers smearing the victims?

      • lurcher1948

         /  November 30, 2017

        PG, its just a right winger ranting, she is in GOVT and Tipene is howling at the moon in frustration… makes me laugh.

    • Missy

       /  November 30, 2017

      From what I have seen I wouldn’t call her an apologist for genocide. There is a lot I don’t like or agree with her on, but I think that is unfair, and incorrect.

      • Tipene

         /  November 30, 2017

        apologist
        əˈpɒlədʒɪst/
        noun
        a person who offers an argument in defence of something controversial.

        You telling me that Golriz Gharaman internationally choosing to defend people found guilty of genocide or inciting acts to commit genocide isn’t controversial, Missy?

        • PartisanZ

           /  November 30, 2017

          If these people had been “found guilty” of genocide there wouldn’t be any point in ANYONE defending them. That’s the point: Under the law they were “accused” of committing genocide and subject to a fair trial.

          All you people are doing is baying for Green blood IMHO.

          • Parti!!!!!!

            Ya back!

            Hope you are well and ready to post long, erudite but deeply flawed theories. Been missing your work….

      • High Flying Duck

         /  November 30, 2017

        The defense was that the victims caused it. Golriz co-authored a paper suggesting the event that triggered the genocide was a war crime by the victims.

        • Tipene

           /  November 30, 2017

          Imagine that line of defence in a domestic violence case: “She hit me, so I hit her back”. Didn’t work for Tony Vietch did it, even though it was [claiming “common knowledge” is not good enough for allegations like that. PG]

        • Blazer

           /  November 30, 2017

          stick to bean counting…NFI about law.

        • PartisanZ

           /  November 30, 2017

          @HFD – “Golriz co-authored a paper suggesting the event that triggered the genocide was a war crime by the victims”

          I’m no legal expert but I think what you’re referring to is called a ‘moot’?

          “Moot refers to an issue that remains unsettled, open to argument or debatable. It especially refers to a legal question which has not been determined by any decision of any court.” – https://definitions.uslegal.com/m/moot/

          If she wrote a moot it was just part of her job as defense counsel … She did the best job she could, acted professionally, exhibited best-practice … Good for her.

  3. duperez

     /  November 30, 2017

    Video emerging from two years ago of Golriz Ghahraman telling the world about her defence work would make no difference now. To some she is condemned from here to eternity and will be used as an example of rottenness by them.

    Her prime irretrievable fault of course is that she is in the Green Party and they are part of the Government. Her defence history not being top, front and centre of her bio and cv, in neon capital letters, was a good excuse to pour scorn and hate on her.

    She signed up for scorn and hate though by her affiliations. The cynicism in that may seem appalling but that’s reality.

    Tipene has her a dead pretend-refugee walking, a blip on the spectrum of political irrelevancy
    with a legal career pretty well done. I hadn’t heard of Ms Ghahraman until recent months.
    She has an interesting back story and tried to got herself into a position to try to make a difference. And draw the scathing condemnation she’s been given.

    I suppose she could have simply stayed at home and done what we do on our keyboards.

    • Tipene

       /  November 30, 2017

      Ummmm……she could have simply told the truth, and not glad-bagged by being a gobby sjw on self-righteous steroids.

      • duperez

         /  November 30, 2017

        Did you want a personal letter from her? Should the media people whom she had talked to about her history have got in touch with you?
        However I know you’re not serious, just stirring a bit. The last part of your sentence indicates that.

        • Geez – know her personally?

          A BS obscuring CV but no one can question her because she is a Green?

          Interesting standpoint Dupe…

  4. High Flying Duck

     /  November 30, 2017

  5. PDB

     /  November 30, 2017

    She was so ‘open’ about her past that even James Shaw thought she worked for the prosecution, otherwise he openly lied as did her Green party bio;

    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/11/shaw_lied_about_ghahraman.html

    “James Shaw in a speech to the NZ Institute of International Affairs in May said:

    Members of this audience may be interested to know that one of those
    candidates, Golriz Ghahraman, is, at number ten on the list, almost certain to
    become the first Member of Parliament who started her life in New Zealand as
    a refugee.

    Having fled Iran in 1990 as a child, Golriz is now a human rights lawyer who
    worked as a prosecutor at the United Nations tribunals for Rwanda and the
    former Yugoslavia. She also worked on the Khmer Rouge tribunal in Cambodia.”

    • High Flying Duck

       /  November 30, 2017

      She wasn’t exactly transparent with this opening line on the first day of parliament either…

      • Sunny

         /  November 30, 2017

        I used to put genocidaires and war criminals on trial. Giggle. No not exactly transparent at all! And interesting that she leads with this. It was a key part of her pitch and narrative and the product she was selling. Correction. I defended genocaiders and war criminals on trial.

      • Corky

         /  November 30, 2017

        Great elevation, High Flyer. You came in at 2 o clock high and took her out. You can’t ague with that clip.

        • PartisanZ

           /  November 30, 2017

          I hate to disappoint you Corky but I can argue with it.

          “I used to put genocidaires and war criminals on trial” …

          True statement. Everybody who ‘acts’ as part of such trials – prosecution and defense – is putting the war criminals on trial.

          So let me just clarify here: You people who so ardently demand “One Law for All” in the Maori/Pakeha arena, don’t want One Law when it comes to criminal or international justice …?

          For things like this would you prefer the old fashioned ‘examination’ of the Spanish Inquisition?

          • High Flying Duck

             /  November 30, 2017

            It’s not the process Parti, It’s the caped-crusader-putting-the-baddies-away routine that was projected –

            By James Shaw (now apologised),
            By Golriz herself as above – no apology, no sireee!
            By the Herald, who’s ex Green Party journalist didn’t think it relevant to specify what she volunteered for.
            By The Guardian (now corrected),
            By the Green Party website (now corrected)
            By Wikipedia (now corrected)…

            All a big misunderstanding of course. She’s a lawyer who doesn’t read, doesn’t correct and has done absolutely nothing wrong.

            The picture with e murder inciting singer may be a little “jarring”, but is just part of him being human – it’s perfectly fine to smile sweetly and post it to Facebook.

            I’ll stay away from the living-with-bombs story that has now been emended to “only during visits with Aunty”…

      • Blazer

         /  November 30, 2017

        nothing inaccurate said..there.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  November 30, 2017

          …Other than the fact she has never put any war criminals “on trial”, and with regards the Genocidaires, she was trying to get them out of a trial, she was golden.

          • PartisanZ

             /  November 30, 2017

            OMG … She was part of the UN team that put the accused war criminals on trial. She wasn’t like the accused crim’s private lawyer.

  6. Sunny

     /  November 30, 2017

    Example 1 wasn’t published until 2 days ago after she’d been repeatedly called out. Example 2 wasn’t published and was a draft withheld by Kirsty Johnson who used to be Media Advisor to the Greens.. Seriously. Nz Herald (Isaac Davison) prior to the election, and the Guardian prior to the election, and the Greens website prior to the election, all published that she was a human rights lawyer who prosecuted those accused of genocidal attrocities in Rwanda . Truth: She was a defence lawyer who volunteered to defend genocidal criminals and took weird smiling photos with and put them on her social media.

  7. PDB

     /  November 30, 2017

    Seems she is economic with the truth regarding her claim of “”I remember the bombs, the sirens, running to the basement… waiting,”
    “Mostly, I remember the kids my age, who stopped speaking because of shellshock”.

    This makes it sound like her ‘everyday’ life & those in the place where she resided. Not so however as she now confirms she only experienced bombing in Tehran where her parents sent her on school holidays. No doubt a fun destination on a break! Again it all makes little sense & appears to again be a massive PR lie on her behalf.

    Newshub: “When approached by Newshub, Ms Ghahraman provided her explanation.
    “Before moving to New Zealand at the age of nine, I was raised in Mashhad, Iran,” she said. “Mashhad did not experience air raids during the war – I never said it was.

    “Where I did experience air raids and bombings – on multiple occasions – was while visiting my auntie and uncle, who lived in Tehran, where we would go during our school holidays.
    “It was my experiences in Tehran that I was referring to in my maiden speech”.

    • PartisanZ

       /  November 30, 2017

      Dog Leader to Dog Pack: “There must be blood here somewhere … Find it! Hunt it out! Kill something else if you have to!”

      • PDB

         /  November 30, 2017

        Dog tucker tends to attract…dogs.

        • PartisanZ

           /  November 30, 2017

          Acknowledgement of your identity politics PDB …? Gone to the dogs?

          You are correct in a sense. The MSM take perfectly good meaty subject matter and turn it into “dog tucker”, toss it out and await the frenzied mob … sorry … pack …

  8. PDB

     /  November 30, 2017

    Guardian story now amended…funny that.

    “On 29 November 2017 this article was amended. A previous version incorrectly stated that Golriz Ghahraman had worked for the prosecution in the Rwandan tribunal. She was part of a UN defence team.”

    Major ass covering now going on. No doubt the previous ‘incorrect’ version came directly from Golriz Ghahraman’s mouth as in a one-on-one interview where else would it have come from?

    • PartisanZ

       /  November 30, 2017

      Oh FFS PDB … Could it possibly have come from the very media you are now accusing of “major ass covering”?

      Please cite the “no doubt” one-on-one interview, which the self-same ass-covering media are supposedly incapable of getting wrong?

      • PDB

         /  November 30, 2017

        You may bury your head in the sand PZ but look above at HFD’s summary of all the places where it was stated she was a prosecutor in the Rwandan tribunal – Wikipedia, Greens bio, guardian interview, James Shaw.

        Is it a coincidence that all those have now been retracted or altered in the last few days since this story broke to now tell the truth?

        • PartisanZ

           /  November 30, 2017

          I don’t know why we’re having this conversation, other than you Righties have got the scent of Green blood in your nostrils?

          Who the hell doesn’t polish their CV to look the best it can? For all I (we) know she may have acted as prosecution counsel on some occasions, defense counsel on others, and she chooses to call herself a prosecutor as a result. I probably would too.

          I reckon the experience of being defense counsel in that situation probably makes her a better, more rounded lawyer, jurist, person, citizen and by extrapolation, politician.

          I just don’t really care, other than the somewhat frightening, palpable malignancy of the Rightie mob …

  9. phantom snowflake

     /  November 30, 2017

    Phil Quin backs down (well, partly) as his rush of blood to the head begins to drain away.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/99390271/phil-quin-apologises-for-calling-green-mp-golriz-ghahraman-a-genocide-denier

    • PDB

       /  November 30, 2017

      ‘genocide denier’ was a step too far…as it stands.

  10. High Flying Duck

     /  November 30, 2017

    Golriz in her own words in February this year:

    “Eventually, that nine-year-old refugee girl ended up prosecuting heads of state for the United Nations. I think it was important for the process that a former victim of governance by oppression and mass murder got to stand up in those courtrooms, dominated by Western men.”

    At the bottom of her article she is described as:

    Golriz Ghahraman is a human rights lawyer and former UN Prosecutor, who specialises in minority and identity rights. She is also a Green Party of Aoteoroa NZ Candidate.

    https://impolitikal.com/2017/02/01/golriz-ghahraman-on-identity-democracy-i-cant-shed-my-skin/

    In her defense, murderous genocidal military leaders are probably a minority. Not sure that’s what is implied though.