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1 December 2017

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  1. Trevors_elbow

     /  December 1, 2017

    Golriz watch continues…..

    If this was a Nat MP the media would be baying for blood on page 1… a Green … not so much. Interesting to note but not unexpected

    Interesting list Farrar has compiled….do the Greens not employ media types and fact checkers to ensure misrepresentation cant be pointed out, claimed or insinuated?

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/12/its_all_about_the_brand.html#comments

    • Blazer

       /  December 1, 2017

      is Farrar getting the…yang of it….yet?

      • You’ve devolved to Cartoon-ish type depths Blazer…. all you have is demanding facts when you provide NONE, weak quips, false equivalence, straw man arguments and endless squirrel diversion.

        She is a member of one of your favoured government configurations and it appears she is something she appears desperate not to be…..

        Flickering every lower, the once might blaze splutters to its inevitable conclusion: ennui or is it entropy?

        • Blazer

           /  December 1, 2017

          Golriz is a non story,fired up by the desperate losers of the Treasury benches.You allege..’it appears she is something she appears desperate not to be….’…now present your case,before I accuse you of what you just ascribed to…me.

          • PDB

             /  December 1, 2017

            Is Phil Quin on the Treasury benches?

            Farrar quite rightly points out that Golriz has gone out of her way, in multiple media outlets, to make the public think she was a crusading prosecutor of ‘world leaders’ when in actual fact she wasn’t. In fact she worked for the defense in most cases that proposed the atrocities were actually the victims fault.

          • The evidence is clear to see if you choose to look. Not that I would expect you too….

            • PartisanZ

               /  December 1, 2017

              And vice versa … See ‘Intellectuals debate, Idiots argue’ ….

            • Gezza

               /  December 1, 2017

              I think this story has run its course, personally. People who’re interested in it have now drawn their own conclusions about it & won’t be persuaded otherwise by any more argument. You either think she bullshitted on her profile & backstory to look good, or you don’t. You either think this makes her suspect, untrustworthy, a liar, and/or just generally a baddie, or you don’t.

            • I know exactly what it makes her Gezza

            • Gezza’s right. Tribalism is stronger now than ever. In the case of the Green lawyer, I don’t believe she was mendacious in any way, where as the likes of PDB, tribal to the blue roots of any hair he might still have, will never see her in the true light and delights in hoeing into her, as is the way of his tribe.

            • hahahahahahaha – I’ll quote this back to you when you start your standard ranting/ragging on anything not aligned to your view Robert…

            • Gezza

               /  December 1, 2017

              @dave.
              I know exactly what it makes her Gezza
              Well, of course you do, dave. So does everyone else who’s taken an interest. It makes her several things to me.

            • PDB

               /  December 1, 2017

              Her ‘true light’ seemed to have been well captured with two photos of her grinning from ear to ear – one with a guy being accused of inciting genocide and the other whilst working on a case in defense of people accused of mass murder.

  2. PartisanZ

     /  December 1, 2017

    Someone somewhere … not sure who yet … most likely government … but also could be corporate or politicorporate – new word # 103 – speaking to another of their own kind …. vaguely foreign to humanity …

    “Okay, their attention is fully diverted onto this *Golly Wog* story … incidentally, well done you indoctromarketing* guys for putting that one together …. The Righties especially are frothing at the mouth, baying for Green blood. So now let’s institute Plan A … with Plan B ready to go if A derails.

    I also think this smokescreen is impervious and thick … its certainly attracting the Right crowd … so lets release Sub-Plan B – 1 – B at the same time. It should fly through …”

    What’s goin’ down …?

    *indoctromarketing – new word # 104

  3. duperez

     /  December 1, 2017

    Golriz Ghahraman serves a very useful purpose. In the pile of politics she gives the dung beetles and worms a purpose in life. 🙃

    • PartisanZ

       /  December 1, 2017

      Spot on … “a purpose in life” while *someone, somewhere* either achieves something else positive …. or fucks us over again is some way …

    • Very true Dupe – it gives dung beetles something to defend….

  4. PartisanZ

     /  December 1, 2017

    Maybe the Golly Wog diversion (I’m just using the name I believe *they* really want to use) is designed to bait the Right to frenzy, and thus prime them for maximum appeasement and appreciation?

    ‘Govt crackdown on ‘young, desperate, on drugs’ dairy robbers’ – Herald

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11950615

    Stuart Nash has the sense to say “Often the offenders we are talking about are young, desperate, on drugs or undertaking these robberies to finance their drug habit, so whilst police need to be at the forefront, we also need to look at mental health and rehabilitation services”

    Of course, what’s really required is a proper look at the whole functioning of a society that produces these kids … Yes, including ‘parenting’ and the factors that impinge upon it … or what John F Schumaker described as “a long overdue cultural revolution that would force a radical revamp of the political process, economics, work, family and environmental policy”

    • duperez

       /  December 1, 2017

      “Of course, what’s really required is a proper look at the whole functioning of a society that produces these kids” was the notion around the time some youths in Kaikohe were in the news for ‘bad stuff.’

      Maybe instead of a proper look and a radical revamp we can hope that everyone who doesn’t want the causes for societal ills addressed will encourage their children to aspire to be in the police, work in the prison service, in mental health and rehabilitation services, in drug and alcohol services, be nurses in the Friday and Saturday night emergency departments or suchlike. You only want an ambulances at the bottom of the cliff, you provide the drivers.

      Accepting societies function as a whole, there’s an inter-relatedness and connectedness, we’re all in it together, and that serving is significant is a bridge too far. I mean, that’s ‘their’ world, ‘they’ should sort ‘their’ shit out and stop involving us.

      How many prison officers went to school at St. Cuths or Kings. How many parents of St. Cuths or Kings kids raved at the breakfast or dinner table about “locking the bastards up”?

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  December 1, 2017

        I’d like the causes of societal ills addressed: stupid ideas.

        So how do we start? Even here we get people defending them.

        • PartisanZ

           /  December 1, 2017

          Start by naming your “stupid ideas” Alan. What are they, for you?

          I suspect you’ll come up with a list Dave1924 can then identify as *SOCIALISM* personified …

          Don’t expect other people to start the ball rolling, unless you actually like the system how it is …?

          But I like a challenge: Here’s a starting point for you –

          “An economy consistent with Natural Ethics has only one aim: to produce, from the resources at our command, the maximum of goods with the minimum expenditure of human labour, and to distribute them uniformly according to needs … Provision for mankind is nothing more than a problem of technical organisation …

          But we abstain from all dogmatism … We must see to it that, in emphasizing the general and collective, we do not forget the particular and personal … We shall have to allocate the activity of man to two different spheres, the collective and the individual …” (Guess Who?)

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  December 1, 2017

          Stupid ideas 101:
          1. Education is for sissies.
          2. Hard work is stupid.
          3. I can never succeed.
          4. Live and party today. Don’t plan.
          5. The Government should fix it.
          6. I deserve to be looked after.
          7. It’s someone else’s fault.
          8. I have to think and do what my friends do.
          9. Life is not fair because of my race/sex/age/poverty/luck/history/Government/parents/size/illness …
          10. Other people control my life.

          • PartisanZ

             /  December 1, 2017

            And these are ideas promoted by the Left …?

            Here’s they are reframed … Not Left, Not Right, but what Works …

            1) Not all education is formal
            2) Hard work is often unnecessary
            3) I can never succeed under these conditions. True for some.
            4) Live and party today, when you’re young, just like your parents did.
            5) The government should fix it if the government broke it.
            6) Everyone bar none deserves to be looked after
            7) We’re all responsible … “We all do better when we all do better”
            8) Agreed … part of informal education … and how many commercial and indoctropolitical messages say, “I have to think and do what my friends or aspirational ‘friends’ do”?
            9) To what extent is my life not fair due to these factors, age, race, sex etc etc?
            Lets get real and evidence-informed about it …
            10) Other people control my life. I’ve been taught this ever since I was removed from a [possibly] loving play-based home environment and forcibly installed in a factory-school with a totalitarian model classroom and ‘Lord of the Flies’ model playground? Why did they do that to me? What has it done to me? Does anyone recognize what its done and can I get help for it?

            What are the repercussions of all this for the collective psychic health of society?

            • PartisanZ

               /  December 1, 2017

              I know what they are: The maintenance of cultural insanity.

            • Geez I have missed you ability to excuse anything… Welcome Back parti!!

            • PartisanZ

               /  December 1, 2017

              My “ability to excuse anything”, you say, without saying what you think the “anything” is that I’m supposedly excusing …

              Its like partial false accusation or something … So ‘Rightie’, so wrong!

              This might be why I’m very disinclined to engage with you dave1924

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  December 1, 2017

            I don’t say these stupid ideas are promoted by the Left, PZ. although you seem to be attempting to convince me that they are.

            I do think the Left pays grossly inadequate attention to the need to counter and correct them.

            • PartisanZ

               /  December 1, 2017

              You missed the question mark in my sentence then Alan. How convenient for you. It makes me look assumptive.

              You seem to be saying you agree with my reframed ideas?

      • PartisanZ

         /  December 1, 2017

        @duperez – “You only want an ambulances at the bottom of the cliff, you provide the drivers”

        Now that is good!

        In the sense the word is used in economics duperez … they are providing the ‘drivers’!

  5. robertguyton

     /  December 1, 2017

    “North …
    30 November 2017 at 10:47 pm
    Boiling it all down a bunch of stinking misogynistic Tories don’t like a woman like Golriz because she has what all of them and theirs, and that fumes-spewing D10 Caterpillar Bennett, don’t have……brains, elan, and guts.”

    That’s very astute, donchthink?

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  December 1, 2017

      No. It’s pretty much what it purports to complain about: stinking misogynistic fumes-spewing hatred sans brains, elan and guts.

      • Gezza

         /  December 1, 2017

        This one’s rapidly gone far too intellectual & erudite for me. 😕

    • PartisanZ

       /  December 1, 2017

      robertguyton – I reckon she’s also suffered from being too easily misidentified as Muslim.

      She describes herself as Agnostic. [Don’t see why they shouldn’t both get caps?]

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golriz_Ghahraman

    • PDB

       /  December 1, 2017

      Phil Quin is a ‘Tory’?

      • PartisanZ

         /  December 1, 2017

        [Deleted incorrect use of name] was.

        • PDB

           /  December 1, 2017

          Phil Quin is definitely no Roger Douglas. Red thru and thru.

          • PartisanZ

             /  December 1, 2017

            Yep, Red like Rogered pretended to be to surreptitiously, deviously foist his poisonous economics on the New Zealand population …

            Like Inverse Totalitarianism – which is exactly what ‘economic reform’ was – the real ‘Long March’ is the Rightie ‘inverse march to crush societal institutions into subservience to economic ideology’ …

            • PDB

               /  December 1, 2017

              Maybe in your world (and Robert) Chris Trotter is a ‘Tory’ too?

              Trotter on Golriz: “Both men’s attention (Quin & Farrar) had been drawn to what can only be described as the unnecessary grandiloquence of Ghahraman’s CV. Describing her fairly modest role in the massive bureaucracy of the International Criminal Court in terms that made her sound like Geoffrey Robertson and Amal Alamuddin Clooney all rolled into one, really was asking for, if not trouble, then most certainly some pretty close enemy scrutiny.”

            • PartisanZ

               /  December 1, 2017

              Your comment would make sense if I was a sycophantic follower of Chris Trotter’s PDB …

              So it doesn’t make sense.

              ‘Tory’? Very English isn’t it? I like Trotter’s over-simplified description better – the struggle between ‘Wealth & Power’ and ‘The Decent Society’.

              I wonder what [Incorrect name use]’s CV looked like prior to the 1984 ‘post-election crisis’? One clue would be that Labour didn’t stand on a platform of ‘economic reform’, did they? Another clue might be his subsequent book(s) and his formation of the ACT Party?

              Crikey, he did an almighty Golly Whig on us, didn’t he?

              Dog tucker …

            • PDB

               /  December 1, 2017

              Left wing politics is one of mass hypocrisy, identity politics and self-righteousness well represented by certain posters on here.

            • PartisanZ

               /  December 1, 2017

              Right wing politics is one of equally or more “mass hypocrisy” with a mythical false overall of ‘individual’ action not having any social consequences – an abdication of responsibility – as though each human lived in their own personal vacuum, their own universe.

              Plus the added ingredient of individual hypocrisy being quite acceptable … Whatever it takes to win …

              Identity politics and self-righteousness are well represented too …

              When you’ve run out of responses that are on-topic, you switch seamlessly to personal denigration and supercilious condescension

              Its a circus trick well worth watching and, in my case, emulating …

            • PDB

               /  December 1, 2017

              You nicely sum up left-wing hypocrisy & self-righteousness at the end there PZ………..Neoliberalism & white guilt anyone?

            • PartisanZ

               /  December 1, 2017

              Sir Neo: Oh waiter, I’ll have some White Guilt with my serving of Left-Wings? Oh yes, and I’ll the Wings cooked Colonial.

              Waiter: (under breath) Yeah? If you say please …
              (then aloud) Sir, do you want the side of Chilli Derision, as usual, or today’s Chef’s Special, a double-helping of Iced Denigration?

              Sir Neo: What’s it Iced with?

              Waiter: Lashings of Projected Rage sir.

              Sir Neo: Sounds perfect.

              Waiter: Any thanks with that sir?

              Sir Neo: (pause) What was that you said?

              Waiter: Oh … nothing sir … I’m … nothing at all.

              Sir Neo: You want me say “Thank You” … to you? Son, I don’t pay enough in this establishment to warrant saying “Thank You” …

              Waiter: Sir, I’m not a ‘son’ … (their eyes lock, long pause) ….

              TO BE CONTINUED …

          • Blazer

             /  December 1, 2017

            Quinn is a Labour dilettante,surprised him and Josie Pagani haven’t eloped to…Colombia..together.

  6. Seabird

     /  December 1, 2017

    See Winston is being accused of calling Devoy overweight. It was in 1987 for gods sake. Obviously the MSM are struggling for news.
    Also, Gifford must have a bloody good memory if he can recall what he said 30 years ago!!