“Free from fear, innocent of hatred”

Trump: “We want our country to be a place where every child from every background can grow up free from fear, innocent of hatred, and surrounded by love, opportunity and hope.”

Wonderful words.

Or they could be if they were spoken by someone who didn’t divide and ostracise using fear tactics, and didn’t promote hatred of immigrants, minorities, media, and political opponents in his own as well as other parties.

And who didn’t provide opportunity and hope for big business at the expense of ordinary people and the health of the planet.

I wonder how the 800,000 young people at threat of deportation think of this speech?

Reuters: U.S. top court blocks release of Trump ‘Dreamer’ immigrant documents

Since its inception, the DACA program has provided protection from deportation and work permits to about 800,000 mostly Hispanic young adults brought into the United States illegally by their parents. At the time Trump announced the rescinding of the program, about 690,000 people were protected under DACA.

Trump scrapped the program as part of his hard-line immigration policies, calling DACA an unconstitutional overreach by Obama. Trump gave Congress until March to come up with new protections for the Dreamers.

Dreamers are a fraction of the roughly 11 million illegal immigrants in the United States.

Obama and his fellow Democrats have defended the program as one that protects young people who grew up and were educated in the United States and are Americans in every way but actual citizenship.

Are the ‘Dreamers’ free from fear? Surrounded by surrounded by love, opportunity and hope?

36 Comments

  1. MaureenW

     /  December 11, 2017

    In summary, a President doing what he said he would for a refreshing change.

  2. High Flying Duck

     /  December 11, 2017

    Are they citizens or are they there illegally? Asked and answered in the post.
    Part of making the country safer and more prosperous is ensuring borders have meaning and that the country accepts immigrants on their terms.
    Saying his words lack resonance because he isn’t protecting illegal immigrants is a very strange stick to be beating him with, especially given the issues that illegal immigration has caused.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  December 11, 2017

      As I understand it, being born there makes someone a citizen.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  December 11, 2017

        They were not born there, but came as children. All are working or in school (university ?), many own houses, and they were given to understand that they could stay. The loss to the US would be huge if they were deported. Many work in IT and are contributing hugely to the US.

  3. wackAmole

     /  December 11, 2017

    “someone who didn’t divide and ostracise using fear tactics, and didn’t promote hatred of immigrants, minorities, media, and political opponents in his own as well as other parties.”

    This is boilerplate Pussy Hatter/CNN rhetoric. No one believes that, outside the #NotMyPresident bubble.

    “I wonder how the 800,000 young people at threat of deportation think of this speech?”

    Who cares? They are not Americans and do not belong there, they need to go back.

    And lets not pretend this is about “only” 800K illegals, here is the Dem leader Pelosi, with frightened quavering voice surrounded by snarling snapping Hispanics howling “All 11 Million!” at her as she tries to deliver a speech supporting “Dreamers”.

    Eventually Pelosi and the other Dems had to flee from their own pets gone feral on them:

    “Are the ‘Dreamers’ free from fear? Surrounded by surrounded by love, opportunity and hope?”

    This is the kind of subconscious racism that white boomer liberals harbour. That somehow despite having “rich cultures”, there is no love, hope or opportunity in countries that Latinos build, so they need to be granted citizenship in countries whites have built.

    • “This is boilerplate [deleted]/CNN rhetoric. ”

      I wrote that myself with no help from CNN.

      I think Trump is saying one thing and often doing the opposite. Do you disagree? Or can you only resort to boilerplate attempts to trash the message?

      • Conspiratoor

         /  December 11, 2017

        Trump is very dirty on elements in the MSM, for good reason in my view. He baits them relentlessly and seems to get off on the hysterics. He’s given progressives so many causes for fear and outrage, they are finding it difficult, practically and psychologically, to keep on top of them all as they happen
        But wIth tangible successes starting to come I wouldn’t be too quick to write his chances of re-election off

  4. David

     /  December 11, 2017

    There was a court ruling that DACA amnesty was illegal and Congress needed to sort the rules, Trump called on Congress to follow the law and make the DACA people legal and transition them through to citizenship.
    Trump wants immigration reform you know like every other country on earth, if you are a nation of laws then come in the right way with the right approvals.

    • Gezza

       /  December 11, 2017

      NZ toughened up on its own immigration rules & takes active steps offshore to prevent the entry of non-UN mandated asylum seekers & to remove unlawful immigrants. Having children born in NZ, and crying that they will HAVE to be left here on their own – what used to be a common aim to prevent deportation – was ruled not to be, of itself an acceptable reason for the illegal immigrant parents to be allowed to remain. Because parents are responsible for caring for their children, & any decision to abandon them was theirs, not the NZ government’s. (I’m not sure, but I think citizenship legislation might also have been later amended so that children born to non-NZ citizens are not automatically NZ citizens.)

  5. Corky

     /  December 11, 2017

    ”Or they could be if they were spoken by someone who didn’t divide and ostracise using fear tactics, and didn’t promote hatred of immigrants, minorities, media, and political opponents in his own as well as other parties.”

    I don’t see Trump using fear tactics. He has moved on issues that needed addressing. Issues many feared to tackle because of political correctness.

    1- Illegal immigrants. Self explanatory. One gripe immigration officials had under the Obama presidency was their ability to take action on illegal immigrants was curtailed by Washington. Not anymore. They are now doing their job without political hindrances.

    2- Muslims. Simple really. If that needs explaining, you aren’t living on planet earth. Or you have a problem with rational thought. Trump, however, should have taken a breath before implementing his Muslim ban.

    3- The media. They needed dealing to. Lying vicious liberals. Trump has, and is, dealing to them. Boy, will they be happy to see his back and return to a president who takes his media thrashings like a limp wowser.

    4- Political opponents. Politics, a dirty business. Trump is better than most.

    Trump signalled most of what he’s done clearly during his campaign.

    And he’s doing what I suggested on this blog a few days ago… supporting his black vote. Even though some black luminaries didn’t show up for the event, they can’t be be classed as ordinary black folk.

  6. David

     /  December 11, 2017

    “I wonder how the 800,000 young people at threat of deportation think of this speech?”

    How about “perhaps we should get immigration visas?”

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  December 11, 2017

      David is quite right of course. There should be a proper process instead of a global contempt for the law as per Obama.

  7. duperez

     /  December 11, 2017

    Wonderful word all right. Political rhetoric, not that the man could spell spell the word.

    How many more from all over the world, are free from the fear of nuclear war now compared to two years ago?

    • Corky

       /  December 11, 2017

      What’s the point of your aimless disparate comment? Say something. Do something.

      • duperez

         /  December 11, 2017

        You mean say that those words are bullshit put out by a cretin to be salivated over and sucked up by other idiots and cretins?

        Say that if they were from a person with rational disposition, true humanity and any credibility they would be noble?

        Say that cretins can make cretinous comments but observers are not to make observations?

        Say that for all their grandness Trump’s words are as meaningless as my observation about them?

        • Corky.

           /  December 11, 2017

          ”You mean say that those words are bullshit put out by a cretin to be salivated over and sucked up by other idiots and cretins?”

          I wasn’t talking about Trump. I was talking about you. You seem to regurgitate bullshit. Trump is doing things, and all you can say is he can’t spell. You should save your angst for Obama…you know…”the do nothing president.” Like your comments.

          • duperez

             /  December 11, 2017

            I’m pleased you’re having a lovely day. The fruit of your enamourment with Mr Trump clearly has you in a state of being free from fear.

            • Corky.

               /  December 11, 2017

              Quite the opposite. Trump is only good as an agent of change. Something sorely needed in my opinion. To use an Alchemy term,Trump is the ”Black Process’.The breaking down of matter.

    • High Flying Duck

       /  December 11, 2017

      We have a President who is taking the nuclear armament of rogue nations seriously and is taking a role in trying to resolve such issues instead of drawing red lines and ignoring them.
      So we are at least moving in the right direction, despite the media fulminating that he might be upsetting the terrorists with his nasty words.

      • Blazer

         /  December 11, 2017

        ‘rogue nations’…’rogue bankers’….take your pick…
        ‘I prefer rogues to imbeciles, because they sometimes take a rest.’
        Alexandre Dumas
        ‘Rogues in rags are kept in countenance by …rogues in ruffles’..A.Pope.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  December 11, 2017

          I think that you will find that Pope didn’t say that and that you have misquoted it anyway. Even if it was Pope, he would not have had meaningless …s. As a statement with no context, it doesn’t mean much.

          If it is Pope-and it almost certainly isn’t, unless he himself was quoting-which of his works is it from ?

          • Blazer

             /  December 11, 2017

            what are you…waffling…..on about..now?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  December 11, 2017

              The fact that Pope didn’t say that. Now do you understand ?

              I wonder if you know what ‘keeping in countenance’ means.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  December 11, 2017

              A brain of feathers, and a heart of lead.

              Pope for B.

            • Gezza

               /  December 11, 2017

              B for Pope! 👼🏼