Maori Party in disarray

The Maori Party was devastated after failing to win and electorate and losing their seats in Parliament. They appear to be having difficulty dealing with it.

1 News: Tuku Morgan quits Maori Party, slams former MPs after failure to get back into Parliament

Tukoroirangi Morgan has resigned as President of the Maori Party – but on his way out he’s let loose at the party’s former MPs.

“The role and relationship between the Parliamentary wing and the national executive of the Party was at times dysfunctional and unacceptable,” he said.

Ah, Morgan headed the executive of the party.

He also called on the pair, who are co-leaders, to stand down “to allow fresh talent to step up and lead.”

Perhaps a change of party president will help, but there may be a lot of repair work to do.

Dr Lance O’Sullivan said the resignation had to happen.

“I think it’s a good idea.

“It’s clearly, this election was quite a failure. There needs to be change in order to not repeat the failures and move forward. It’s simple common sense.”

He reiterated that he would like to stand at the next election.

He would be a good and probably popular candidate, but the party will need more than that.

NZ Herald: Tuku Morgan quits Maori Party, calls for Te Ururoa Flavell and Marama Fox to step down

In his newsletter, Morgan said a new generation of leaders was needed to carry the party forward.

“Both co-leaders Marama and Te Ururoa should stand down and allow fresh talent to step up and lead. This is not to diminish their record of achievement over the past years. Their contribution in securing major political gains for Maori is undeniable and is a source of immense pride for our Party.”

I thought that Marama Fox was an asset to the party.

In response to Morgan’s call, Fox said it was up to the Maori Party members whether she stayed in the job she had held since Dame Tariana Turia stood down in 2014.

“I’m keen to represent [them] if our people want me there.”

Fox was a strong performer last term.

31 Comments

  1. Gezza

     /  December 12, 2017

    Marama was indeed a strong & tireless performer during the last term, but she bitterly let fly at all Maori Electorate voters who didn’t vote for The Maori Party – with extremely sarcastic invective – immediately after losing at the last election. I don’t know if Maori voters will forget that in a hurry.

    By comparison, Te Ururoa gave a dignified, emotional address in which he acknowled his disappointment & surprise, but concluded by accepting that “our people have spoken”. My heart went out to the pair of them. But Marama got that parting shot so, so wrong, imo.

    It’s time for Tuku to stand down – & he is right that the Party needs to broaden its appeal & include some fresh talent. I hope Marama remains, but also that she gets control of that anger.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  December 12, 2017

      She showed herself to be a very poor loser, and that always looks bad. Nobody likes losing, but being gracious in defeat is better than pouting and throwing tantrums.

      • PartisanZ

         /  December 12, 2017

        I disagree. She looked refreshingly honest to me … and passionate.

        I remember she made one very pointed, acerbic comment about “running back to our abusive partners” which I thought was adroit, basically accurate and packed a real punch.

        Time will tell. But if Labour-led do another ‘Foreshore & Seabed’ she’ll have every right to say “I told you so”.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  December 12, 2017

          I felt that that analogy was a poor one and would be a turnoff to anyone who has had an abusive partner. It’s also a nasty thing to say about the other parties who are nothing like abusive partners. And yes, I have had an abusive partner (not my late husband)

          She does seem to have an anger problem, as she showed in the interview with the tobacco man which achieved nothing but making her look very rude-she wouldn’t let him speak-and as if she had little self-control.

          She ignored the fact (after the election) that nobody is obliged to vote a certain way. I was surprised, I must say, but that’s what people wanted.

          To me, race alone would not be enough for a party, it would be better to look for a larger one that has the things that you want and more chance of achieving them.

  2. Tipene

     /  December 12, 2017

    13 years.

    13 years is all it took for Maori to realise the folly of throwing their electoral endorsement behind a race-based party.

    And now the tribal blood-letting begins.

    I don’t think Marama Fox has anger issues, she is just comfortable with not trying to hide behind a thin veneer of cultural civility – she is probably the one of the most emotionally honest politicians around.

    I don’t support her policies, or her philosophies, or her victim-hood mentality – but I do admire her candor.

    • Gezza

       /  December 12, 2017

      You don’t think she has anger issues? Did you watch her The Nation interview with that awful visiting Tobacco Industry spokesman. She all but threw her bloody chair at him. She was that angry I reckon they would’ve gone for the fire hose if the interview had gone on much longer. It’s not the anger that’s the problem, it’s the overdoing the expression of it.

      Where Marama came up short in the debates that she did feature in towards the election was she couldn’t put any numbers or costs on anything when asked. It’s not that she lacks passion & drive. Maori Party lack the people with the knowledge & economics expertise to foot it with the larger parties. They’ve got 3 years to find it.

      • PartisanZ

         /  December 12, 2017

        Of course, sooner the ‘broad tribes’ of National and Labour, the confined ‘environmental’ or ‘evidence-based’ tribes of the Greens or TOP, and the narrower ‘anti-race-based’ tribes of NZFirst, ACT and The Conservatives …

        • Gezza

           /  December 12, 2017

          You’ve lost me here. Personally I’ve been pleased to see you posting again. You initially returned with a shorter, more concise, more previse, less sarcastic posting style. I think you make a lot better argument when you do that. Personal opinion only. No insult intended.

          • PartisanZ

             /  December 12, 2017

            Ah, should have made it clear I was responding to Tipene’s “race-based” and “tribal blood-letting” comment about te Maori Party … the implication being only Maori are ‘tribal’ …

            I agree with Tipene about Marama Fox’s emotional honesty and candor …

            The rest is ‘Gone Brash’ as far as I’m concerned and needs countering …

  3. George

     /  December 12, 2017

    If they want to get back into Parliament I’d suggest more leadership and less emotive rubbish.

  4. Blazer

     /  December 12, 2017

    Hone and Marama…the ‘New ‘M.P’.

  5. PDB

     /  December 12, 2017

    Pg: “He would be a good and probably popular candidate, but the party will need more than that.”

    Works for Winston.

    • PartisanZ

       /  December 12, 2017

      Yes it does PDB. It works for all of them. All Parties are essentially their leaders. People talk about Jacinda when they mean Labour, Bill when they mean National …. etc etc … Group, Party [or ‘tribe’] and leadership identification are very strongly correlated among most of the population regardless of ethnicity.

      I see some potential irony if the Maori Party becomes the vehicle of a single figurehead, quasi-celebrity ‘leader’ … and I wonder how Maori feel about that though? It may be a normal expression of the very concept of rangatiratanga?

      • PartisanZ

         /  December 12, 2017

        In reality, Lance O’Sullivan will no doubt require a mandate to lead as I understand is the case across hapu iwi ‘Maoridom’ …?

        • PartisanZ

           /  December 12, 2017

          The tyranny attributed by Europeans to indigenous peoples’ ‘tribal’ leadership is probably (or almost certainly) a projection of our own forms of tyranny, from despotism [or Monarchy?] through feudalism to ‘tyranny of the majority’ …?

          • PartisanZ

             /  December 12, 2017

            Not to forget ‘tyranny of the minority’ … like National’s 1981 election ‘victory’ with just 38.7% of the popular vote … 0.3% behind Labour!

            • Conspiratoor

               /  December 12, 2017

              Spare a thought for Bruce Beetham in 1981. The lone ranger with 16% if the popular vote …and one miserable seat.

            • PartisanZ

               /  December 12, 2017

              Actually it was 20.65% according to Chris Trotter, and two seats. But the ‘democratic’ anomaly remains either way … Long live MMP!

              Reduce the threshold!

            • Conspiratoor

               /  December 12, 2017

              I’d like to party with Chris. I believe he may enjoy a wee dram. My memory’s gone but here’s wikis version

              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_general_election,_1981

            • PartisanZ

               /  December 12, 2017

              The real tragedy is that Social Credit, now Democrats for Social Credit, have the only truly viable way out of our private bank, debt creation money system … and I don’t see them making a comeback anytime soon.

  6. Pickled Possum

     /  December 12, 2017

    Lance O’Sullivan is calling for a ban on pokies to help reduce child poverty.

    “The Problem Gambling Foundation supports Dr O’Sullivan’s idea. CEO Paula Snowden says it’s clear that pokies target the poorest areas.
    In wealthy areas there is one pokie machine for every 465 people. In poorer areas there is one for every 75 people”.

    WTF is the philosophy behind this. The poorer the people the more they see the pokies as the bucket of gold at the end to their poverty.
    I totally tautoko this kaupapa of Lance O’Sullivans.
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/11/ban-pokies-to-reduce-child-poverty-lance-o-sullivan-to-pm.html

    • Corky

       /  December 12, 2017

      ‘WTF is the philosophy behind this. The poorer the people the more they see the pokies as the bucket of gold at the end to their poverty.”

      For someone professing to know the grass roots of society, you should know the poor play pokies not to get rich, but to relieve the boredom of their vacuous lives. They don’t read. They don’t garden. They don’t swim. They don’t try to improve themselves ( generally).
      They play the ‘bling bling’ for fun and maybe a small win to buy fags, booze, drugs and more time on the’ bling blings.”

      Get out more, PP. Talk to these people…but never when they a pulling the ”bling bling’ lever, otherwise you may get a ‘crack’ ( hiding).

      • Pickled Possum

         /  December 12, 2017

        People play the pokies in my experience to get RICH.
        The people I have meet that play pokies read garden swim and generally try to improve themselves. They are addicted to playing, you know the dopamine saga; google it.
        They generally do not go on-line to berate cultures.
        You! Should get out more, or have you had too many cracks to venture out of your pit.
        Your derisive korero is quite disgusting and sadly I have taken the bait once again.
        Never mind corkey I am confident you will grow out of it … one day.

        • Corky.

           /  December 12, 2017

          You say ”Pokies”.not bling bling.

          ”The people I have meet that play pokies read garden swim and generally try to improve themselves. They are addicted to playing, you know the dopamine saga; google it.”

          No doubt a dopamine high has something to do with it. In fact, it’s you who should Google it. Have a look at some of the effects. They tautoko my generalisations about bling bling players. Please don’t tell me they garden and swim.

          ”They generally do not go on-line to berate cultures.”

          Correct. It’s Facebook. And they don’t know what the word ‘culture’ means.

          ”You! Should get out more, or have you had too many cracks to venture out of your pit.”

          You are over compensating for your lack of knowledge regarding this issue.

          ”Your derisive korero is quite disgusting and sadly I have taken the bait once again.”

          My decisive korero is because I think you are a fraud. Talking about things you know nothing about. That angers me.

          ”Never mind corkey I am confident you will grow out of it … one day.”

          No, not with you. I will call you out when I think you are taking the piss. And..it wasn’t you who took the bait..it was me.

          • Gezza

             /  December 12, 2017

            Never mind Corks. Just under an hour till the Trevor Show. Fun & games.

          • Pickled Possum

             /  December 12, 2017

            Oh Timoti its you who are the fraud. Big Time.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  December 12, 2017

              I didn’t think anyone else had noticed PP. lol

            • Corky

               /  December 12, 2017

              They haven’t. But I’m surprised you haven’t noticed the popular ”yes”.
              YES? LOL!!!

              robertguyton / December 12, 2017
              As Pete has done in the first post of this thread, yes?

            • phantom snowflake

               /  December 12, 2017

              Nice one, Uncle!

          • Corky.

             /  December 12, 2017

            ”Get out more, PP. Talk to these people…but never when they a pulling the ”bling bling’ lever, otherwise you may get a ‘crack’ ( hiding).”

            Pokies don’t have levers. They have buttons. One arm bandits do…last time I looked. Who is the fraud?