Media watch – Tuesday

12 December 2017

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    • Gezza

       /  December 12, 2017

      Girls eh?

      • Loyalty is a HUGE thing. If the Greens don’t get that I don’t fancy Shaw’s ability to hold them together.

        • Gezza

           /  December 12, 2017

          I was commenting on the exquisite way only girls can shove the knife in, twist it, & cause maximum trouble for their victim with another girl’s friends, while being able to say – ” 👼🏼 What do you mean? All I did was pay her a compliment?😈”

    • PDB

       /  December 12, 2017

      Praising one Green MP whilst shaming all the others.

    • We should take notice of what Judith Collins thinks about The Greens why???

  1. Alan Wilkinson

     /  December 12, 2017

    I read this article and am left wondering exactly what this man was convicted of?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11957577

    • PDB

       /  December 12, 2017

      Child grooming at the lower end of the scale.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  December 12, 2017

        How does the law define that? He doesn’t seem to have carried through until after the girl was 16. In the other instance there was only a man pretending to be a girl.

        • PDB

           /  December 12, 2017

          I believe the ‘intent’ was why he got convicted – six months home detention shows it was at the lowest end of the scale (as you point out) when I think you can get up to 7 years prison in this country at the other end of the scale.

          • MaureenW

             /  December 12, 2017

            By intent, it does appear as though he was convicted of a thought crime?

            • PDB

               /  December 12, 2017

              “The second lot of offending happened this year when an undercover police agent set up an online profile of a 13-year-old girl.

              The man talked with the fictitious girl for six weeks weeks about masturbation, showed her photos of himself dressed in underwear and suggested meeting.

              The “girl” mentioned her age five times through the conversations and when it was mentioned she would be in Palmerston North the man suggested meeting her. This never occurred, however.”

              He was obviously grooming a girl he was clearly told was 13 years old. If he had actually turned up to meet her he would have got a much harsher sentence. At the end of the day his behavior is not that of a normal adult.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  December 12, 2017

              It wasn’t a girl. He could have been pretending to groom a man pretending to be a girl. These are fake crimes.

        • Pickled Possum

           /  December 12, 2017

          Boo Hoo! Men and Women with a predilection for sexual contact with children should reap the consequences of their actions.
          https://www.quora.com/If-a-15-year-old-is-not-considered-a-child-anymore-then-why-do-they-still-act-like-children

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  December 12, 2017

            At 15 I didn’t consider myself a child. I could have left school and started work. We have made adults into infants now and reap the consequences.

            • PartisanZ

               /  December 12, 2017

              Or … the industrial revolution made pastoral children into factory-worker adults?

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  December 12, 2017

      The loony Left have had it too good for too long in this area of sexual offences. Time for a moderate and rational revolt:
      https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/12/10/yoffe-sexual-harassment-college-franken-216057

  2. Missy

     /  December 12, 2017

    • However, it’s more than noteworthy Chris cannot korero in Te Reo Māori.

      • PartisanZ

         /  December 12, 2017

        Disagree … it is at very best noteworthy … if at all …

        • Tvleadt the former PM was pretty well fluent. All Jacinda and Grant speak is V irtue Signal

          • robertguyton

             /  December 12, 2017

            English? “pretty well fluent”?
            Nah.

            • Pickled Possum

               /  December 12, 2017

              Correct RG … Bill English memorised his korero and apparently
              will be speaking more te reo on formal occasions.
              Well done Simon William English for giving it a go.

      • Corky

         /  December 12, 2017

        More Lefties bashing Brash..yet they have no time for the Maori lingo themselves. Typical patronising Labour. To think dumb Maoris voted for these prats.

        • Gezza

           /  December 12, 2017

          Smart Pakehas in National dumped Brash. He’s been a silly old out of touch redneck to anybody with a few clues ever since.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  December 12, 2017

      Just rude and offensive really. Brash should have hung up on him.

      • Blazer

         /  December 12, 2017

        Brash is your kind of guy….a bigoted ,dinosaur,who believes in..Ayn Rand ideology.

        • Corky

           /  December 12, 2017

          Brash is my kind of guy, not Alans. I may be wrong, but I doubt Brash believes in Ayn Rand’s philosophy. Otherwise he would not, on moral principle, have lead the National Party.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  December 12, 2017

          No, Espiner is a jerk. Te Reo is neither his language nor Brash’s. He was just being a posturing prick.

          • robertguyton

             /  December 12, 2017

            Bill English too?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  December 12, 2017

              No, English is speaking to Maori. Espiner was not. Is that hard for you to grasp? Elementary good manners was not in your upbringing then.

            • robertguyton

               /  December 12, 2017

              He aha to raruraru Corks?

          • Gezza

             /  December 12, 2017

            One thing you can say about Brash is that he might be a silly old out of touch ignorant Pakeha redneck with wilfully practically zero knowledge of or interest in anything to do with Maori issues, but at least he’s genuine about it.

          • Corky.

             /  December 12, 2017

            Posturing Prick…love it. I’d love to be a fly on the wall if his daughter brought home a tattooed Maori boyfriend.

          • robertguyton

             /  December 12, 2017

            “Te Reo” is not a language, btw. Te Reo Māori is though. An official language. Here in NZ.

            • Corky

               /  December 12, 2017

              Don’t be pedantic. You know what was meant. It not like it would be Te Reo Japanese in the context it was written. If you want to score petty points…buy a scoreboard.

  3. Blazer

     /  December 12, 2017

    fascinating..facts…
    An Ernst and Young report for the NZ Transport Agency in 2016 — The Value of Rail in New Zealand — put that value at $1.5 billion. The report was not made public until recently.

    A B-train (truck with two trailers) wears out the road 20,000 times more than a car, and we know that the local roading authorities are struggling to keep up with the maintenance on the road. I travel the Gisborne to Napier route often and am fed up with the constant wheel alignments necessary from the potholes and sunken bridges.

    Then there are the externalities — the consequences of an economic activity experienced by unrelated third parties: the social and environmental cost of increasing heavy trucks and reducing rail use.

    The Ministry of Transport has put the social cost of each road death at $4.5 million, and a crash involving serious injuries at $473,600.

    Living near a busy road increases the risk of premature death by 7 percent, increasing the risk of cancer, heart attack, stroke, dementia, childhood diabetes, asthma, allergies etc.

    A diesel truck pollutes up to 1000 times more than a car.

    One truck tyre sheds 10 times the amount of one car tyre.
    Each truck tyre sheds 0.21 g/km of tyre compound (butadiene styrene); that is 5.46 g/km for a 26-wheel vehicle.

    Road run-off accounts for 40-50 percent of urban metal contamination to aquatic ecosystems.

    It’s not a matter of being anti trucks, it’s about sharing the load. Even the Road Transport Forum chief executive Ken Shirley, as well as local transport operators, are saying they can’t cope with the increasing freight task and may have to turn work away.

    • PartisanZ

       /  December 12, 2017

      Excellent comment … tau toko every word …

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  December 12, 2017

      Now you know the road costs, what is the value of the transport they provide? What is the relative cost tonne-km of road vs rail? And you have to measure end to end cost, not just the easy bit rail carries.

      • Blazer

         /  December 12, 2017

        maintained,efficient rail,beats road….hands down.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  December 12, 2017

          Except world-wide it has failed to do so. Never mind, B, just keep on making empty assertions.

    • PDB

       /  December 12, 2017

      Would be nice Blazer if you could credit where you stole all those comments from…

      http://gisborneherald.co.nz/opinion/3121947-135/about-sharing-the-load

      • Blazer

         /  December 12, 2017

        as it was an Ernst Young report …they got the..credit…from the TS…actually.

        • PDB

           /  December 12, 2017

          I don’t think Ernst Young wrote (and I quote): “I travel the Gisborne to Napier route often and am fed up with the constant wheel alignments necessary from the potholes and sunken bridges.”

          • Blazer

             /  December 12, 2017

            my post does not contain those ..comments…but I have better things to do …than indulge your ..pedantry.Get a ..proper..job.

            • PDB

               /  December 12, 2017

              No – only appears at the end of your 2nd paragraph…if you can’t even be bothered reading the dribble you post why should anybody else?

            • Blazer

               /  December 12, 2017

              sorry…I read it alright,just your nitpicking,side tracked..me.

  4. Nothing like a bit of plagiarism

  5. robertguyton

     /  December 12, 2017

    No Right Turn reports
    “Not official information
    The ombudsman has issued a provisional opinion on the government’s 33-page coalition document, and found it not to be official information. Meaning that its not covered by the Act and does not have to be released:
    The coalition Government’s refusal to release a 33-page document created during negotiations has been backed by the Chief Ombudsman’s provisional ruling.

    […]

    In the provisional ruling, sent to Newsroom, Chief Ombudsman Peter Boshier said he was satisfied the document had not played a role in policy decisions.

    Boshier said he had “carefully read and considered” the document, saying it was “clearly made for the purpose of assisting the parties with coalition negotiations”.

    “It contains discussion points designed for negotiation and, despite certain public comments to the contrary, does not include information such as directives to Ministers,” Boshier said, in the provisional decision sent to Newsroom.

    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s office told Boshier the document had not been passed on to any ministers or government departments, or used by any ministers in carrying out their official duties.

    Boshier said he was satisfied the information had not been used by Ardern in her role as Prime Minister, and was held “solely in her capacity as Leader of the New Zealand Labour Party”.”

    • PartisanZ

       /  December 12, 2017

      Can’t help it … I told you so.

      • PartisanZ

         /  December 12, 2017

        Should probably read, “I can’t help it Righties … I told you so”

  6. Gezza

     /  December 12, 2017

    Parliament tv channel. The Trevor Show. Best show on tv. 👍🏼
    3 minutes. Get your beer & chippies. 😎
    1357 hours.

  7. PartisanZ

     /  December 12, 2017

    Moral dilemma: Should sympathy be extended to the bullied child of a White Supremacist?

    And: Should attention be given to the media who seem to be asking this question?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11958094

  8. Conspiratoor

     /  December 12, 2017

    Whale Oil have finally moved on from their Photoshop obsession with a green refugee…

    • To something that seems meaningless, but at least it’s safe. I think their photoshopping may end up attracting attention they’d rather not have.

  9. Mefrostate

     /  December 12, 2017

    Former Facebook exec: “I think we have created tools that are ripping apart the social fabric of how society works. The short-term, dopamine-driven feedback loops we’ve created are destroying how society works. No civil discourse, no cooperation; misinformation, mistruth. You are being programmed”

    • I went to lessons and was taught the massaging thing – which was a bum steer because when I tried to do my duty I was told sternly to back off.

      Different strokes for different folks and all that.

      • Mefrostate

         /  December 12, 2017

        I had no idea that membership of the Labour Party was this strict.

      • Corky

         /  December 12, 2017

        Damn, I wanted to tee off on Labour.

        As to real Labour. Once a women is in pain, many of them just want males to bugger off. Regardless of what the nice lady teaches you at prenatal classes

  10. Corky

     /  December 12, 2017

    Chance here for someone to score cheap points.

  11. PartisanZ

     /  December 12, 2017

    A Xmas morsel for Righties who, by rights, shouldn’t really support this rag … Right?

    ‘British medical journal holds up PM Jacinda Ardern as example of voice against free markets’ – http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11958258

    “Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is being used as a poster-child for Marxist ideas in a prestigious British medical journal”. Sheez, two poster-children in one day!

    Prestigious might be pushing it? Prodigious may be more accurate?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Horton_(editor)#Controversies