Open Forum – Tuesday

12 December 2017

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33 Comments

  1. robertguyton

     /  December 12, 2017

    Pete – are you deleting the word “Natz” when used as shorthand for …”Nats”? Are you also deleting “Nats”? And all other shortened versions of the names of political parties?

    • PDB

       /  December 12, 2017

      How is ‘Natz’ shorthand for ‘Nats’ when they both have 4 letters?

      • Blazer

         /  December 12, 2017

        in the lexicon of modern english s and z are interchangeable and accepted in everyday use…from-Collins

        ‘It seems to me that in books printed in England the use of the ‘z’ overwhelmingly predominated until the Second World War, though on a far smaller scale the ‘s’ can be found used by some printing houses, even in Victorian times. Textbooks set out the correctness of using ‘z’, some of them setting out in considerable detail the rationale for use of ‘s’ or ‘z’ depending on origin. After the Second World War the ‘s’ alternative is more frequently offered as a possibility and some house style manuals (though not Oxford’s) indicate a preference for ‘s’ — not because of any suggestion that ‘z’ is wrong, mark you, but because ‘s’ had come to be tolerated and it avoided having to remember which usage is which.’

        • PDB

           /  December 12, 2017

          You are but making excuses for being puerile and pathetic.

          • Blazer

             /  December 12, 2017

            if that’s how you regard Collins,which some would say is an authority on english..language…sobeit.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  December 12, 2017

              I doubt if it says that ‘z’ is acceptable as a plural. It is true that it can be used as an alternative for ‘s’ in words like characterisation/characterization. But as a plural, it is incorrect except in a facetious way.

              If it spells English as english, begins sentences with a lower case letter, advocates the use of ellipses as you use them and spells so be it as sobeit, I would question it as an authority.

    • Yes. ‘Shorthand’ names are often derogatory and offensive.

      Natz is a good example of how allowing variations can be abused – it is also shorthand for Natzi, which you are probably familiar with at The Standard.

      Another problem is that one person’s shorthand can be used as an excuse for another person’s abuse.

      It is easiest to ask people to always use proper names for parties and politicians. It’s not hard to do, and it doesn’t hinder decent comment and debate.

    • Corky

       /  December 12, 2017

      There you go, Robert. That’s your morning tonic. Your day can start now. What about that possibility of a new National aligned conservative party?

      • robertguyton

         /  December 12, 2017

        National’s working to spawn a party that is themselves but has a different name? They could call the new party “Natz” 🙂

        • Corky

           /  December 12, 2017

          I don’t think so. Such a Party would have to be fundamentally different from Labour lite, National.

          • PartisanZ

             /  December 12, 2017

            Interesting though isn’t it? National can’t “go conservative” themselves, because too many of even their voter base are decent-minded people.

            They can’t appeal to the [Christian] ‘Conservative’ (including Alt-Right & Far Right) voters as NZFirst attempted to do with “binding referendum” promises, race-based rhetoric from Winston and anti-Maori race-hate rhetoric from Kym Koloni …

            So … as District Council’s do with Council owned Companies [or whatever they’re called?] … not answerable to the voters … National will set up an ‘affiliated’ Conservative Party … another affiliated Party … ACT having fallen off the polls after achieving their peak potential … one hand-out free seat in Parliament …

            I’ll tell you what; if Colin Craig has anything to do with it the Party will go precisely nowhere. National couldn’t be stupid enough to try and resurrect him, could they …?

            • PartisanZ

               /  December 12, 2017

              Well … thinking about that … they were stupid enough to give away a seat to ACT they could easily have won themselves … Go figure!?

            • PartisanZ

               /  December 12, 2017

              A very obvious common or slang name presents itself, doesn’t it?

              A Party which is a “front” for the Ultra-Conservative arm of National …

              Nudge nudge … wink wink … SAY NO MORE!!!

    • If you don’t get that this is deeply offensive that’s sad. If you do get it and you insist on obfuscating, it’s wasting column space here

  2. Corky

     /  December 12, 2017

    Heard Mikey interview Colin Graig this morning. Colin seems to have had a make-over. He succinctly summed up the possibility of a new conservative party and the untapped voter market such a party could attract. Colins whiny voice was gone.

    • Gezza

       /  December 12, 2017

      Colin’s got zero credibility.

      • Gezza

         /  December 12, 2017

        In fact I’ve probably overestimated it there. 🤔

        • duperez

           /  December 12, 2017

          Some think that Brian Tamaki is wonderful. They don’t see some of the things about him which others find appalling or if they do see them, rate them as unimportant and irrelevant.
          Given what’s happened in the past couple of years Colin Craig normally would have zero credibility. No doubt though, like the Tamaki thing, some will have his credibility at 100%.

          • Gezza

             /  December 12, 2017

            If they pitch it right I reckon they could possibly pick up a big chunk of the Muslim vote. A lot of them are pretty conservative. And they’re totally ok with the idea of a married bloke having more than one sheila at a time. And their 1st one just has to put up with it too.

          • PartisanZ

             /  December 12, 2017

            Brian Tamaki might be a better choice of leader for The Party duperez?

            • PartisanZ

               /  December 12, 2017

              What will their campaign slogans be?

              “Put the religion back in politics” …

              “Time for a change: Church and State” …

              I can’t go on … It will alarm me too much …

            • Corky

               /  December 12, 2017

              Well, they couldn’t have a liberal Leftie wowser ,could they? At least Brian can pig hunt. Man, you should him cut a boars nuts out.

              What’s the nearest a liberal would get to that…shelling peas LOL!!!!

            • PartisanZ

               /  December 12, 2017

              Does he pick watercress to eat with his wild pork and boar’s nuts …?

              If so, does this make him a poofta?

              Can he cry? Coz if he can’t he ain’t human.

              You’ve hurt my feelings a lot commenting about shelling peas Corky! That LOL!!!! really stung … *NOT*

            • Corky.

               /  December 12, 2017

              Does he pick watercress to eat with his wild pork and boar’s nuts …?

              No, he throws the nuts away.

              ”Can he cry?” Yes, he cried like a babe when he lost his charity status.

              Hurting your feelings is impossible. You are a one track ideologue. I was just pointing out the obvious..with a non threatening word picture..

          • Corky

             /  December 12, 2017

            You don’t honestly think National would want Craig, do you? I said Colin’s whiny voice was gone. And he answered questions well. There seems to have been some unwarranted extrapolation from those comments.

            • PartisanZ

               /  December 12, 2017

              PartisanZ = license to extrapolate …

              the ‘art’ part of PartisanZ is art = exaggeration in the direction of truth …

            • Corky.

               /  December 12, 2017

              ”PartisanZ = license to extrapolate ”

              And tell lies. … about not wanting to engage me again. Just the usual toolbox of most Lefties

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  December 12, 2017

              In Islam. if a man wants to ‘have two women’, he has to marry them both after proving that he can keep them both.

              It does not accept adultery,

  3. Pickled Possum

     /  December 12, 2017

    The Auckland Council is incorporating te reo into its citizenship ceremony after an Australian woman has requested to take her oath in Māori.
    Welcome to the thunda dome Natalie and family.
    I must say it was a very good night. 510 people who are becoming NZ’ers. EEECKKK!!!
    http://www.maoritelevision.com/news/regional/bloody-oath-aussies-te-reo-request-inspires-change
    Auckland is so diverse I do not need to go travel the world to sample the many foods.
    Glad to have found The Blue Rose on Sandringham Road. Yummi Pacifica and Maori food.

    • Corky

       /  December 12, 2017

      Will Muslims be shaking hands at the ceremony? If Auckland Council had it’s way, Auckland would be made into a marae. I see they have started blocking off landmarks at the behest of tangatawhenua..

      How many times to you travel to Auckland to sample the many different food?

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  December 12, 2017

        Muslims can shake hands with a member of the same sex. They are not supposed to shake hands with anyone who is not a family member, wife or husband.(or fiance/fiancee ?)

        Who would be offended if someone just smiled and said that their religion meant no handshaking ? It’s not that important,.I really hate sweaty handshakes whether hot or clammy, ‘wet fish’ flabby ones, the two hands enclosing mine (too intimate) and bonecrushers. NB-to avoid the last, make sure that you grip first and then they cannot grip you in a bonecrusher-it’s not physically possible.