To car killer: “young men shouldn’t be behind the wheel “

A 19 years old man (if he can be called that) has been jailed after killing a man and maiming a woman in a car crash last year. He shouldn’t have been driving, he shouldn’t have been texting, and he acted appallingly and without remorse afterwards.

From ‘CoodGunt’ at Reddit – Judge Kim Saunders:”young men should not be behind the wheel of a vehicle.”

She is bang out of order. Imagine the headlines if a male judge said that about young female drivers instead.

And from fitzroy95:

Making rash judgement about entire groups of people and not specific people makes you a pile of shit, and a fucking awful judge.

A response from MrCyn:

Context, he lied about the reason for the crash by blaming it on his breaks, but he was texting. Was driving on a disqualified leareer licence with other teenagers in the car, didn’t turn up to police meetings and probation meetings and was caught driving again

But it was an evident lack of remorse that left Judge Kim Saunders apparently stunned as she sentenced Hannon McGinn.

“You are a poster child for why young men should not be behind the wheel of a vehicle. It is a lethal weapon,” she said.

Saunders said she struggled to understand why he had driven again after having been found guilty at the trial.

“I have no idea what on earth you were thinking, that it was your right to continue to drive.”

The Stuff report seems to have a changed headline: Killer driver’s lack of remorse shocks judge

A teenaged driver who hooned straight through an intersection and slammed into another car – killing one of its occupants – has been labelled a “poster boy” for arrogant, self-entitled young male drivers.

Stefan Lee Hannon McGinn​ was jailed for two years and three months when he appeared in the Hamilton District Court on Monday on charges of dangerous driving causing death and dangerous driving causing injury.

Trevor Bland, 56, the driver of the car Hannon McGinn struck, suffered critical injuries and died in Waikato Hospital.

Hannon McGinn should not have been driving, let alone texting.

The crash near Taupiri on March 12 last year should never have happened because the 19-year-old should never have been behind the wheel that day. His learner licence had been revoked after he racked up a stack of demerit points.

Even if he still had his learner’s licence, he was transporting two young men aged 17 and 19 – neither of whom had a licence themselves – which was a direct contravention of learner licence driving conditions.

The warrant of the unregistered car Hannon McGinn was driving had expired in January 2014.

And a police check of his cellphone records showed that in the minutes before the impact at 4.55pm, he had been receiving and sending text messages while behind the wheel.

It was an insouciant, callous attitude that he carried on after the deadly smash, telling the police the brakes on his car had failed – a subsequent investigation found they hadn’t – and denying he had been using his cellphone.

He later failed to show up for four scheduled interviews with the police, refused to give them his home address and when he eventually did, gave them a false address.

He denied the charges against him and was ultimately found guilty at a judge-alone trial in August this year.

He then failed to attend a pre-sentence meeting with his probation officer and was also caught driving again.

Not a good way to get a sympathetic hearing from a sentencing judge.

It was an evident lack of remorse that left Judge Kim Saunders apparently stunned as she sentenced Hannon McGinn.

“You are a poster child for why young men should not be behind the wheel of a vehicle. It is a lethal weapon,” she said.

Saunders said she struggled to understand why he had driven again after having been found guilty at the trial.

“I have no idea what on earth you were thinking, that it was your right to continue to drive.”

He did do some remorse eventually, sort of.


Hannon McGinn had written a letter of remorse in which he said his time in custody had opened his eyes.

He said he was genuinely sorry and now understood the loss and pain the Bland family were going through because he was also going through a loss – a loss of freedom.

“It is not comparable at all,” exclaimed the judge. “It is your own self that you are dwelling on. Whether it is because of your age or that you cannot understand the consequences of your actions, it is hard to tell.”

“I’m troubled greatly as to whether you are genuinely sincere.”

As well as killing a man the feects of his actions were significant.

Bland’s partner, Kim Robinson, who suffered fractures to her face, eye socket, ribs, sternum and spine in the crash, also had a statement read.

“You destroyed a big part of my life and left me broken. You will get to walk free, live again in the future. Trevor gets nothing. He is now ashes and you did that to him. I hope every day you feel the shame and remorse.”

Even Hannon McGinn’s mother is despairing of his behaviour.

Someone who apparently did understand the consequences was Hannon McGinn’s mother, who had withheld consent for her home to be used as a home-detention venue.

“I think like the rest of us she has struggled to accept your overwhelming sense of entitlement and self-pity.

“Your mother is described [in a pre-sentence report] as frustrated and despairing of your behaviour.”

Not all teenage males should be stopped from driving because of the dangerous actions of a few selfish idiots, but the attitude of some – Hannon McGinn had two passengers – aids and abets this sort of behaviour.

The consequences can be devastating for innocent victims.


  1. Alan Wilkinson

     /  December 12, 2017

    Sounds like a poster child for the lack of decent fathering in his life.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  December 12, 2017

      Doesn’t that take away some of the responsibility from him ?

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  December 12, 2017

        Yes, but we don’t know how it should be shared.

  2. wackAmole

     /  December 12, 2017

    [Deleted abusive terms and unsubstantiated accusations. PG]

    • wackAmole

       /  December 12, 2017

      Even if true you don’t seem to have any problem with that around here when it comes to targeting Trump.

      • If I saw you calling Trump a woman hater I’d edit that too.

        I think you know how things work here, and what happens if you try playing the ‘poor me’ and ‘unfair’ cards, and if you persist in targeting people with derogatory and unsubstantiated comments.

      • You appear to have returned under yet another pseudonym. It didn’t take long for you to reveal familiar comments. If so you well know how things work here. I have very low tolerance for you repeating past behaviours.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  December 12, 2017

          Actually, I suspect that Trump may well have problems in that area.

  3. A rather sad lad, but definitely not a poster boy. No way the 19 year olds I know should be tarred with that brush.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  December 12, 2017

      I, too, wonder what response there would have been had a male judge made a remark like that about a teenage girl.

      If the judge had qualified it with ‘some’, it would have been better.

  4. artcroft

     /  December 12, 2017

    “Stefan Lee Hannon McGinn​ was jailed for two years and three months”

    How many actual hours in prison is that? Isn’t just Thursday next week, unless Stefan’s got something on that day, in which case its make it Friday avo and call it quits?

  5. PartisanZ

     /  December 12, 2017

    I’d say he’s a poster child for the arrested development of many NZ males …

    Fathering can aggravate arrested development as easily as (and possibly more easily than) it can improve and facilitate appropriate male maturity. The industrial factory-school with its totalitarian classroom and barbaric ‘Lord of the Flies’ jungle playground doesn’t help either.

    He may have been raised by an A.D. father who modeled this same sort of behaviour all his life? Arrested development is almost certainly inter-generational.

    People are not necessarily better off simply because they have a father figure …

    For once I agree with Arty. If the judge was going to back-up statements about cars being “lethal weapons” – like a knife or a firearm – and send a message to other A.D. lethal weapon owners, youthful or otherwise – McGinn should have got a commensurate sentence.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  December 12, 2017

      No mention of father, only of mother. Odds on no decent father in his life.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  December 12, 2017

        Not necessarily mother’s fault; nor did my brother and I have.

        • PartisanZ

           /  December 12, 2017

          Lack of father in no way implies “mother’s fault” Miss Kitty …

          It’s about people’s parent-child relationships and the guided furtherance or hindrance of ‘development’ …

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  December 12, 2017

            In some cases it is the mother’s fault, I would have to say, as in the case of the woman we saw on the news who thought it totally unreasonable that she should be expected to even KNOW the names of the fathers of her children-I forget whether it was all of them, but the point is the same. I mean, that was x years ago, how could she be expected to remember (who she had sex with and which one was likely to be the father/s) ?

            • PartisanZ

               /  December 12, 2017

              Nothing to do with it Miss Kitty. That woman may have been a very good mother regards nurturing her sons’ development to adequate or relative male maturity … and therefore not arresting it …

      • PartisanZ

         /  December 12, 2017

        Yes Alan, what I’m saying is: Plenty of Arrested Development men DO have fathers or father figures in their lives …

        I suspect, but cannot yet back up with ‘facts’, that an AD man’s relationship with his mother is a key component (but definitely not the only one) …

        Research is ongoing.

        Regardless, McGinn’s behaviour screams “ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT” …

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  December 12, 2017

          None of the schools in which I have worked are like the ones you describe. Have you read Lord of the Flies ???

          • PartisanZ

             /  December 12, 2017

            It was our major Seventh Form novel to study Miss Kitty … saw the first film that year and the remake a while ago …

            It doesn’t matter what necessarily goes on in individual playgrounds and classrooms – although how you’d know everything that does is quite beyond me – It is about the model of school as we know it.

            Totalitarian? Yes, absolutely. Compulsory. Power imbalance. Absolute teacher control. In loco parentus …?

            Barbaric? Yes, place children in an alien environment like the school playground away from nurturing home and (extended) family, interacting with large numbers of same-age persons, and you have a recipe for ‘Lord of the Flies’.

            Is bullying a problem in NZ schools?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  December 12, 2017

              I did not say that I knew everything about all schools, merely that none of the ones I did know were remotely like the ghastly places you imagine. How many schools have you worked in ?

              Bullying ? Not to the extent that it was in Lord of the Flies, where it ended in murder. That was not a school setting, they were marooned on an island with no adults. I have read it many times since I was a child.

              Teachers must be in loco parentis to some extent or chaos would ensue. The fact that the majority of people emerge from school well balanced would show that it’s not a Lord of the Flies situation, Remember that they were there as the result of an extreme situation, no adults survived and they had no way of knowing when or if they would be found.

              They didn’t go home at the end of the day as school-children do (unless they are boarders) The comparison is meaningless. One might as well compare a day’s boating with Robinson Crusoe.

            • PartisanZ

               /  December 12, 2017

              Kelston Boys HS ended in a death as a result of an assault Miss Kitty …

              When I went to AGS in the 70s some of the teachers were complicit in a well entrenched ‘Lord of the Flies’ environment. I doubt if schools – students or teachers – have changed all that much. If they had we wouldn’t hear so many reports of bullying and violence.

              I like your allusions: Children ‘marooned’ at school. That’s exactly how I felt on a daily basis. But one adjusts to the violence and barbarity. You get used to it, as the Corkies of this world would say. “Harden up”. “Take a concrete pill”.

              “There is nothing healthy about being well adjusted to a profoundly sick society” J. Krishnamurti.

              ” … compare a day’s boating with Robinson Crusoe”

              A day’s boating does give one the opportunity to discover one’s inner ‘Man Friday’ …

  6. PartisanZ

     /  December 12, 2017

    “Even though physical maturity is inevitable, emotional maturity is not.

    Dr. Erik Erikson, the famous psychologist (1902-1994) who proposed these Stages found that … Unresolved Childhood Developmental Tasks “leave a life-long residue of emotional immaturity.” In other words …You’re original, immature, unidentified Subconscious Issues Are controlling your behaviors—and even your thinking …

    Addictions, greed, immaturity, fear, blame, shame, resentments, anger, confusion and suffering can all [be] signs of arrested emotional development. When we get ‘stuck’ in our emotional development, we cease to learn how to take responsibility … We get stuck at the point of some trauma that happens in our life that we don’t know how to let go of or to process”.

    Just sharing some research:

  7. PartisanZ

     /  December 12, 2017

    This looks very interesting indeed.

    ‘Development of juvenile aggression and violence: Some common misconceptions and controversies’. By Loeber, Rolf, Stouthamer-Loeber, Magda
    American Psychologist, Vol 53(2), Feb 1998, 242-259


    This article addresses 5 misconceptions and controversies concerning the development of aggression and violence: (a) the misconception that high stability coefficients of aggression over time imply that discontinuity of aggression from childhood to early adulthood is negligible; (b) the misconception that all serious forms of violence have an origin in aggression during early childhood; (c) the controversy about whether a single pathway or multiple pathways best represent individuals’ development of antisocial behavior, including violence; (d) the controversy about whether causes of violence are similar to the causes of property offending; and (e) the assumption that the development of violence in women is very similar to that in men. Each of the points is discussed against empirical findings. Theoretical, research, and applied implications of the 5 points are discussed (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2016 APA, all rights reserved)