From Pora to Watson

The lawyer and the investigator who were instrumental on getting Teina Pora freed and compensated are now working on the Scott Watson case.

Newshub: Team that freed Teina Pora now working on Scott Watson’s case

The team that helped free Teina Pora has now turned its attention to the case of convicted double-murderer Scott Watson.

Lawyer Jonathan Krebs helped quash Pora’s conviction for the 1992 murder of Susan Burdett. He is now working on Watson’s application for a Royal Prerogative of Mercy, which, if successful, could re-open the case of the Sounds murders.

Private investigator Tim McKinnel, who also helped to clear Pora’s name, will be involved in Watson’s application.

I don’t know enough to be able to conclude whether Watson is guilty or innocent, but there do seem to be some real issues of concern regarding his conviction.

By world standards we have a relatively robust legal system but it is not without it’s weaknesses.

One of those seems to be a strong reluctance to revisit cases where there are obvious problems with the case and the verdict.

21 Comments

  1. Blazer

     /  December 13, 2017

    Watson was tried in public,by the Police selectively providing photo’s and stories to influence…sentiment.He may well be guilty,but its yet another case of flawed procedures by the….strawberry toppers.

    • PDB

       /  December 13, 2017

      With serious doubt over the hair evidence due to a hole in the bag, and a key ‘secret witness’ having said they lied about a Watson confession at the request of police the whole case falls apart with no bodies and no other proof he was even in their company that night.

      As you say ‘may’ be guilty but there is no case proving ‘beyond reasonable doubt’.

  2. Reinvented

     /  December 13, 2017

    Having been a fence sitter for many years I bought and read Wishart’s recent book on Watson’s case. It only uses police records and in my view, based solely on those police records, Watson is clearly guilty. The police case may have been flawed in its execution, and I don’t excuse that when they get their man, but the evidence of guilt was convincing.

    • PDB

       /  December 13, 2017

      Two things about Wishart’s last book;

      *Wishart still said the police case, as presented, should not have put Watson away. Wishart suggests the lines of enquiry leading to guilt were not the ones the police went to trial with.
      *Wishart then comes up with some poor-ass theory based mainly on the memories of a kid who was only 8 at the time of the disappearances. He goes further by saying Watson had an accomplice with no hard evidence of this being so & no suggestion as to who this might be.

      A very detailed critique of the Wishart book can be found here: http://nostalgia-nz.blogspot.co.nz/2016/02/wisharts-book-elementary-not-so-much.html

    • Belledejour

       /  December 13, 2017

      Wishart used the Defense files, which included the files from from the PI defense hired. I was a fence sitter too, until I read it but not any more.

  3. Kitty Catkin

     /  December 13, 2017

    I wouldn’t go by Ian Wishart’s book, he is not a lawyer or a criminologist. My impression is that he is not known for being objective.

    Scott Watson seems to be a most unlovely person, but that doesn’t mean that he’s a murderer. I have come down on the side of his quite possibly not being one. I was always dubious about David Tamihere-to me, he was someone who’d take a car and leave someone stranded in the bush, but not kill them-he wouldn’t need to, even if he had no qualms about doing it. If I’d been on the jury and he was going to be hanged if he was found guilty, I would have had to say ‘Not guilty[.

    • phantom snowflake

       /  December 13, 2017

      In short, what both Watson and Tamihere are guilty of is being “arseholes” who were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

      • Blazer

         /  December 13, 2017

        yes Taihere admitted ‘nabbing’ their car.The fact he was comfortable driving around in it for days ,seems mighty suss.Wonder why he thought it wouldn’t be…reported!

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  December 13, 2017

          For the same reason that other car thieves think that they can get away with it, I suppose.If criminals believed that they would be caught, they wouldn’t do the crimes.

      • PDB

         /  December 13, 2017

        That’s what Wishart’s last book basically said – Watson was a right asshole thus must be the killer.

        The Tamihere case gets a little interesting when the body is found with the watch the police said Tamihere gave to his son & the complete body also proved the prison witness lied in trial about Tamihere telling him he cut the bodies up and threw them out to sea. The location of the body is also problematic as it doesn’t match the police case as to Tamihere’s movements at the time of the murders.

        • Blazer

           /  December 13, 2017

          those are 2 factors that can easily be dismissed imo.Especially the second one…the first is an example of the Police adding 2 and 2 and getting 5.

  4. Blazer

     /  December 13, 2017

    Tamihere…no doubt in my mind..priors for rape and vicious assault,driving around for days in their car!.If you read Karam’s fantasies you would think Bain was innocent..too.Look at McDonald and his trial for murdering his brother in law..jury found him ..not guilty..get lucky sometimes.

    • PDB

       /  December 13, 2017

      You forgot to mention he took 3 tourists out sightseeing in the car for a day as well! Then he took one of the female tourists back to Auckland with him in the car and dropped her off at an Auckland backpackers.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  December 13, 2017

        The McDonald one was lack of evidence. He must know that people know that he did it-and will act accordingly.

        • Blazer

           /  December 13, 2017

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  December 13, 2017

            Egad, it’s a linguistic corruption of ‘by God’, so is singular.

            People will act differently to him, surely you can see that ! They are not going to act as if nothing has happened. It’s a fair bet that he will be no longer welcome as a member of the family.

            • Blazer

               /  December 13, 2017

              its whatever I want it to…be…

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  December 13, 2017

              That’s what Humpty Dumpty said about words; that they meant what he said they meant. You are both wrong. Egad can only mean ‘by God’. Would you go into a cafe and ask for a cup of it and expect them to know that because you want it to be cappucino, it is ?

          • Blazer

             /  December 13, 2017

            deleted the wrong comment I take it…the courts of NZ decided guilt or innocence,KC is out of..line.

  5. Bill Brown

     /  December 13, 2017

    Watson was “supposedly” a suspect in an unsolved murder on Gt Barrier and they he got fitted for the Sounds murders. Interesting times