Political votes don’t exonerate criminal behaviour

Donald Trump’s PR claims that being voted president exonerates him of any responsibility for allegations of sexual impropriety.

Politico: Sanders says 2016 victory ‘answered’ allegations against Trump

White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders is doubling down on her argument that Donald Trump’s 2016 election victory “answered” groping allegations made during the campaign.

“The people of this country, at a decisive election, supported President Trump, and we feel like these allegations have been answered through that process,” Sanders told reporters Monday, hours after three of Trump’s accusers went on television to revive their claims.

“The American people knew this and voted for the president, and we feel like we’re ready to move forward in that process,” Sanders added.

They will obviously want to move on, but this is a nonsense claim from Sanders. People voted for Trump and didn’t vote for Hillary Clinton for a wide range of reasons.

And for a start, more people voted against Trump than for him, he trailed Clinton by nearly three million votes overall. He became president because more people voted for him than Clinton in a handful of key states.

If you wanted to be cynical you could say that his claims Clinton was a criminal and should be locked up won over a number of allegations against him – not just a case of the least worst won, but the perceived least criminal.

But that doesn’t make the allegations go away. Neither does it stop him from blatantly lying again.

Trump has a growing problem. He is trying to win his case in the court of public opinion, but legal processes don’t work that way.

And he seems to be losing on public opinion anyway – the gap between approval and disapproval of him as President is at a record high.

RCP President Trump Job Approval:

  • Approve 37.3%  (46.1% voted for him for president)
  • Disapprove 57.7%
  • Spread -20.4%

Trump is currently supporting Republican Senate candidate Roy Moore, another person under a cloud of sexual misconduct allegations.

Reuters: Voters head to polls in Alabama race with high stakes for Trump

Voters in Alabama headed to the polls on Tuesday in a hard-fought U.S. Senate race with high stakes for President Donald Trump, who has endorsed fellow Republican Roy Moore in spite of allegations against him of sexual misconduct toward teenagers.

The race will test Trump’s political clout after nearly a year in office, with his approval ratings at historically low levels. A win by Moore would strengthen Trump’s grip on the Republican Party, some of whose leaders have not backed Moore.

A Jones victory would mean trouble for Trump and his populist political base. It also would narrow the Republicans’ already slim majority in the U.S. Senate, possibly making it harder for Trump to advance his policy agenda.

“Roy Moore will always vote with us. VOTE ROY MOORE!” Trump said in a Twitter post in which he criticized Jones as a potential “puppet” of the Democratic congressional leadership.

Typical irony from Trump, who is campaigning for his own puppet.

Moore told the rally on Monday: “I want to make America great again with President Trump. I want America great, but I want America good, and she can’t be good until we go back to God.”

Good grief.

A Fox News Poll conducted on Thursday and released on Monday put Jones ahead of Moore, with Jones potentially taking 50 percent of the vote and Moore 40 percent. Fox said 8 percent of voters were undecided and 2 percent supported another candidate.

An average of recent polls by the RealClearPolitics website showed Moore ahead by a slight margin of 2.2 percentage points.

No Democrat has held a U.S. Senate seat from Alabama in more than 20 years. In 2016, Trump won the state by 28 percentage points over Democrat Hillary Clinton.

That result should be known later today.

A win to Moore won’t necessarily be a good thing for the Republicans or Trump.

And like Trump, a win for Moore won’t exonerate him from legal claims of sexual misconduct against him.

22 Comments

  1. That’s a very risky image given the allegations against him.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  December 13, 2017

      He’s keeping his distance-no chance of any allegations. Only a total fool would do anything on camera, anyway.

  2. David

     /  December 13, 2017

    I think looking at Trumps favorability ratings is a waste of time, as long as Trump keeps on with his economic success, if he reforms the crazy US tax code, sorts out the worlds dopiest immigration policy etc etc he will win again. The American voters knew what they were getting and held their nose because they wanted change.

    • “as long as Trump keeps on with his economic success”

      Forbes – The Trump Budget Legacy: A Permanent $1 Trillion Federal Deficit

      The U.S. Treasury Department reported last Friday that the federal budget deficit for the just-completed fiscal year had risen by $80 billion over fiscal 2016 to the ominous-sounding $666 billion, a number many people think is an omen for the coming of the devil or anti-Christ.

      In this case they may be right: The spending and taxing policies about to be put in place by the Trump administration and the Republican-controlled Congress will balloon the federal deficit to $1 trillion or more every year going forward.

      And unlike the four consecutive $1 trillion deficits recorded during the first years of the Obama administration, these trillion dollar annual deficits will be the result of enacted changes in federal spending and taxing rather than on a temporary economic downturn. Some of these changes will be permanent.

  3. David

     /  December 13, 2017

    I also think after 12 months of Russia Russia Russia its actually looking pretty awful for the FBI the DOJ and the Dems/Clintons and they are changing the narrative.

  4. MaureenW

     /  December 13, 2017

    The women are likely being paid by the FBI. Afterall, they partially funded the fake Russia dossier used to obtain a warrant so Obama could spy on Trump during the campaign.

    • “The women are likely being paid by the FBI. ”

      You should back up claims like that with evidence.

      • Joe Bloggs

         /  December 13, 2017

        Fat chance of that happening. Mischievous and fake claims about the 19 different victims of trumps sexual predations reflect the victim-blaming mindset to legitimise sexual violence.

        I said it yesterday: this is not a partisan issue – it’s an issue that women face every day.

        • MaureenW

           /  December 13, 2017

          It is an issue women face everyday, under the current US political environment, it’s also a partisan issue. It’s being exposed for point-scoring.

    • duperez

       /  December 13, 2017

      When you hear a cute two-three year old giving their child’s explanation of something which is beyond their comprehension you chuckle at their naivety. You don’t say they’re dumb, it’s just that any rational, sensible understanding is beyond them at that stage of their life.

      I heard some people from Alabama being interviewed this morning. Some immediately begged an incredulous, “What?!” Actual adults! Dumb? Blind? Stupid? Partisan?

      And now I read here, “The women are likely being paid by the FBI.”

      Enough to make the non-religious use the old expression, “Jesus wept!”

      • Joe Bloggs

         /  December 13, 2017

        Oh it’s pathetic isn’t it, Dupers. The lengths that people go to when they’re in denial never ceases to amaze me – “likely being paid by the FBI”? FFS… dumb, blind, stupid AND partisan

    • George

       /  December 13, 2017

      One in particular comes to mind.
      Supposedly on a flight he was ‘all over this complainant’ who moved to stop the ‘attack’.
      Now, an aircraft full of passengers, with trolley dollies up and down the aisles isn’t really a place where such behaviour would be unobserved.
      Also, she didn’t complain to the Flight Crew yet ‘found’ another seat for the remainder of the flight… any-one ever tried to change seats on a US flight? Without reason ?

      And once on the ground she didn’t approach any of the police at the Airport to lay a complaint?

      The Democrats are onto a loser and they know it

      • Gezza

         /  December 13, 2017

        Well, yep, that particular one struck me as lost in her own strange world of fantasy, for all the reasons you list.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  December 13, 2017

          I don’t think that Roy Moore is being accused of paedophilia, only of trying it on with teenage girls, not children.

          It may be that with the US’s varying laws about these things, the girls were technically underage (that is, if the allegations are genuine-he wouldn’t be the first man or the last to be assumed to be guilty because of an allegation) but I haven’t heard that any were children.

          Men have gone to prison here because of false allegations-one man was in a different town at the time, but that made no difference.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  December 13, 2017

            Airline staff are not there every minute-how many do you think that there are on any given flight ?

            The term ‘trolley dollies’ shows your age, George.

  5. David

     /  December 13, 2017

    “And like Trump, a win for Moore won’t exonerate him from legal claims of sexual misconduct against him.”

    Sexual misconduct and collusion with the Russians never did any harm to the Kennedy’s

    • Joe Bloggs

       /  December 13, 2017

      News flash, David: it’s 60 years on from Camelot and times have changed.

      And your false equivalency between allegations of pedophilia against Moore and the “sexual misconduct” of the Kennedys just reinforces the impression that you are blinded by your partisan views, eh.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  December 13, 2017

        None of the allegations are of paedophilia-he has not been accused of sex crimes against children. Teenagers, yes, but not children.

  6. artcroft

     /  December 13, 2017

    Moore won me over when asked “Did you date fourteen year old girls while you were a thirty something district attorney?
    “Not generally” was his reply. Well that settles it. Make Moore a senator and Colin Craig PM.