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22 December 2017

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32 Comments

  1. sorethumb

     /  December 22, 2017

    OCTOBER 10, 2017
    We don’t know our neighbors anymore. Here’s what that costs us.

    In 1974, 30 percent of Americans spent time with their neighbors more than once a week, and just over 20 percent never spent time with their neighbors. Two generations later, things have flipped; almost 35 percent of us never spend time with neighbors, while less than 20 percent do so more than once a week.

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/magazine/2017/10/10/don-know-our-neighbors-anymore-here-what-that-costs/m9sTUVbmi3XFfxRN96Ft9M/story.html

    2007
    A Harvard political scientist finds that diversity hurts civic life. What happens when a liberal scholar unearths an inconvenient truth?
    http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/

    2014
    and we are becoming more diverse
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/how-diverse-is-america/

    • PartisanZ

       /  December 22, 2017

      In New Zeal Land its because of the dogs the neighbours own to protect their ‘private property’ …

  2. robertguyton

     /  December 22, 2017

    Here’s Winston Peters on Yang-the-spy:

    “Given how much the National Party are easing the tank to the Chinese interests, there’s a real chance that National’s Manchurian candidate, [Jian] Yang, will steal the leadership odds. I’ve got him up 2:1 to be the next leader of the National Party.”

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/12/winston-peters-predicts-the-next-leader-of-the-national-party.html

    • sorethumb

       /  December 22, 2017

      “he who pays the piper (the advertiser) calls the tune”.
      Nigel latta speaking to TVNZ’s corporate clients: “if we could get this much coverage on Youtube, we would be on Youtube”.
      http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/201833201/big-bank-bankrolls-big-new-money-show

    • Gezza

       /  December 22, 2017

      Yes, the end of parliamentary year speeches from many MP’s were rather odd. Here’s Winnie’s full ramble.

    • Gezza

       /  December 22, 2017

      Here’s Golriz’s

      • Liberians. What’s that all about!

        • Gezza

           /  December 22, 2017

          She’s as authentic as Paris Hilton.

          • sorethumb

             /  December 22, 2017

            Mt Roskill is the most culturally diverse area in
            Auckland, with more than half of those living there born overseas. Statistics also show it is one of the more socio-economically deprived areas in Auckland.
            Mary*, a Kiwi who has lived around the area for 40 years, says she has seen evidence of
            “white flight” from the area but she remains passionate about her community.
            “We’ve got a specific kind of business sector here,” she says. But she says these businesses do not generate a lot of employment, which she feels is one of the issues facing the community.
            “We need sustainability in terms of employment. What kind of long-term planning is being
            done for that?” she asks. A more major issue for Mary is the sense of alienation and
            dislocation of the migrants in the community.
            “The sense of belonging is missing,” she says. “We are working very hard to bring a
            collaborative approach. This is really important to make our community work.”
            The Migrant Action Trust is holding a forum called “Growing Confident Communities
            Together”, to help community groups face their challenges collectively. The trust helps
            migrants and refugees with employment, assimilation and integration.
            “There are issues that persist in the Mt Roskill area,” says Jane Mueke, a co-ordinator for the Migrant Action Trust “They range from under-employment to unemployment. We have idle youth in gangs and out of school. We have family disintegration and drug addiction..
            https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/migrantactionnz/pages/61/attachments/original/1426061443/4._migrants_unite_for_mt_roskill.pdf?1426061443

            Stephieboy didn’t tell us there were problems there????

            • Maggy Wassilieff

               /  December 22, 2017

              OMG!!!!!!

              Does Stephieboy “comment” on this blog?

            • PartisanZ

               /  December 22, 2017

              “The sense of belonging is missing,” she says. “We are working very hard to bring a collaborative approach” …

              The problem is we older Pakeha folk have great difficulty conceding anything at all in any way to these new immigrants – these new fellow citizens of ours – which is what any new, revised ‘sense-of-belonging’ requires.

              We’re not the majority any more, but we’re just not capable of collaborating …

            • Gezza

               /  December 22, 2017

              We’re not the majority any more …
              If you look back thru history you’ll find this is generally when problems start if immigrants don’t assimilate or begin to predominate. You only have to ask Maori in this country, for example. Or anybody whose land has been taken over by others more numerous. It takes a very long time for the ethicities & cultures to blend, if they ever do. I’m thinking of how long it took for Britain to blend the Danes, Saxons, Normans etc.

            • PartisanZ

               /  December 22, 2017

              Yes. Exactly Gezza. So why do we consider ‘blending’ or assimilation to be some kind of ideal?

          • Gezza

             /  December 22, 2017

            Because when assimilation happens ethnic & cultural conflicts don’t arise.
            When it doesn’t they do.

            • PartisanZ

               /  December 22, 2017

              So the “anybody whose land has been taken over by others more numerous” should just buckle under and assimilate? Is that what you’re saying?

              Otherwise, ethnic and cultural conflict is the natural and correct course of action for “anybody whose land has been taken over by others more numerous”, surely?

            • Gezza

               /  December 22, 2017

              No. That’s not what I said.

            • PartisanZ

               /  December 22, 2017

              By saying, “I’m thinking of how long it took for Britain to blend the Danes, Saxons, Normans etc.” you seem to be arguing that “blending” towards homogeneity is the desired outcome …?

              We tend nowadays to see the British or at least the English as an homogenous society … ?

              Yet they perhaps don’t? They seem increasingly willing to be distinct and ‘diverse’ [though related] cultures, English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish …

            • Gezza

               /  December 22, 2017

              No what I’m saying is that in Britain a homongenous nation eventually evolved after several centuries of conflict among different early ethnic groups. That they are now being easily fanned into fractionating again somewhat illustrates my original statement & is causing conflicts within those areas with split voting of their populations who do not all agree on separatist or autonomous ideals.

              Nevertheless these different British ethnic groups still have more in common culturally nowadays than other more recent immigrant cultures, and in particular strong othodox Muslim cultures, which are alien to all of them.

              Introducing alien cultures that don’t assimilate well into British society is proving to be a problem.

              I don’t think multiculturalism will ever be successful, for this reason, anywhere. I used to. But it’s clear to me now that historically it doesn’t work where cultures are too different & have beliefs and practices that are offensive or too different to the dominant host culture – & this is especially so where they become numerous enuf to then demand that the host culture accept their ways or change their ways to adapt to theirs.

              It’s just how it is. People want to preserve their own evolved cultures & not be dominated by others’. It’s why Empires eventually fall and nations arise.

            • sorethumb

               /  December 23, 2017

              That’s right. That’s when you become an ethnicity – even though mixed race.

  3. Ray

     /  December 22, 2017

    Where are our resident grinches?
    Blazer seems to have taken an early Xmas break in a wifi free place.
    Merry Christmas all…even the grinches.

    • PartisanZ

       /  December 22, 2017

      Merry Christmas all … even Indian givers and Scrooges …

  4. Blazer

     /  December 22, 2017

    even after this M.B.I.E seems to have carte blanche to spend taxpayers money…all on Nationals watch.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/69455082/Ministry-spends-140-000-on-screen-installs-hair-straightener

  5. Blazer

     /  December 22, 2017

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11955927
    1/4 of a billion..to do what!!’A huge leak of financial data from the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment has revealed a large rise in the number of high-earning taxpayer-funded contractors.

    A whistleblower within the Ministry and with access to internal financial information has released a spreadsheet containing details of more than $250 million in payments made for more than 2000 individual contractors, and $54m in payments to consulting firms, made over the past four years.’Stuff.

  6. Blazer

     /  December 22, 2017

    and after spending all that…still can’t get it right…hopeless,incompetent,gravy trainers…
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11964121

  7. Missy

     /  December 22, 2017

    Woohoo! Last working day of the year over. 🙂

    I am heading up to North Yorkshire at the weekend for Christmas and am very much looking forward to it (not having been to Yorkshire).

    I was hoping for a white Christmas, but after last week’s cold snap it has warmed up and we are expecting to get to double digits for Christmas Day (about 10-12 degrees). *sigh*

  8. duperez

     /  December 22, 2017

    “Schoolgirl’s topless motorbike prank ends in guilty plea”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11964676

    If schoolboys post images online of topless 17 year old girls without their permission is it sexual exploitation and harassment?

    If 17 year old girls ride through a school of boys without their permission is it sexual exploitation and harassment?

    If the girls did that thing and it was just a ‘schoolgirl prank’ would boys doing what was said, be described simply as taking part in a ‘schoolboy prank’?

    • robertguyton

       /  December 22, 2017

      “topless motorbike”?
      Aren’t they all?
      They’d be cars, otherwise.

  9. lurcher1948

     /  December 22, 2017

    This is the sort of crap that took place under the national govt, DONT TREAT STAFF LIKE SHIT as THEY WIPE YOUR BUMS tossers
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/100116030/warriors-bidder-paul-davys-fired-his-nanny-over-text-ordered-to-pay-15k

    • duperez

       /  December 22, 2017

      Forget politics, Mr Davys doesn’t come out of this looking very good.

  10. robertguyton

     /  December 22, 2017

    “I have participated in, and written about, politics for close to 40 years, but in all that time I can honestly say I have never witnessed anything like Jacinda Ardern’s first media conference as Labour Leader.

    When words fail you, the best place to look for someone else’s is often in the works of William Shakespeare. Watching Ardern’s extraordinary political talent blaze forth so unexpectedly, I was reminded of the lines spoken by Prince Hal in Henry IV, Part One, where he explains his reasons for keeping his true nature hidden until exactly the right moment:

    I know you all, and will awhile uphold
    The unyoked humor of your idleness.
    Yet herein will I imitate the sun,
    Who doth permit the base contagious clouds
    To smother up his beauty from the world,
    That, when he please again to be himself,
    Being wanted, he may be more wondered at
    By breaking through the foul and ugly mist
    Of vapors that did seem to strangle him.”
    Chris Trotter & William SP.

    • Gezza

       /  December 22, 2017

      Oh Christ! Not more bloody fans of Shakers The Rude! 😡