Vehicle attack in Melbourne

A number of people have been injured in a vehicle attack outside a Melbourne railway station. The attacker has been named as Saeed Noori, who “has a history of mental illness and drug abuse”.

The incident is not being treated as a terror investigation “at this time”, with police saying they believed it was “quarantined to a singular incident” rather than part of a larger plot.

Saying that won’t stop another outcry over the threats of terrorism and the collective blaming and bashing of people with names and appearances and backgrounds that give cause for concern (some genuine concerns, and a lot of over the top and unfair blanket blaming).

When it comes to international events Melbourne is close to home for us here. Like many in New Zealand I have relations now living in Melbourne.

news.com.au: ‘Deliberate act’: Car mows down pedestrians outside Melbourne’s Flinders St station

THE man arrested after a four-wheel-drive mowed down pedestrians in Melbourne has a history of mental illness and drug abuse, police said.

THE man who deliberately drove a four-wheel drive into a Melbourne crowd injuring 19 people is a 32-year-old with a history of drug use and mental illness, police say.

The Australian citizen of Afghan descent was driving alone when he crashed a white Suzuki SUV into pedestrians at high speed outside Flinders St Station on Thursday about 4.45pm.

He in in police custody in hospital as police continue their “fluid investigation” into what they allege was a “deliberate act”.

The man has been named as Saeed Noori by the Herald Sun, citing police sources.

Speaking on Thursday, Victoria Police acting chief commissioner Shane Patton said the driver was known to police for “historical assault matters” but was not on bail.

Mr Patton said the man had a “history of drug use as well as mental health issues”.

“We understand that he is on a mental health plan and receiving treatment for a mental illness,” he said. “We’re working to clarify that.”

The incident is not being treated as a terror investigation “at this time”, despite being supported by counter-terrorism teams. Mr Patton said police believed it was “quarantined to a singular incident” rather than part of a larger plot.

61 Comments

  1. lurcher1948

     /  December 22, 2017

    A muslim drives a SUV into a crowd but thank god there was no deaths over the ditch in Australia.The driver an Afghan was not thought to be a Muslim terrorist(right)

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  December 22, 2017

      The last person who did this was not a Muslim, but nobody said it was becaise he was of Greek descent (or whatever he was)

      The man who did it in the US wasn’t Muslim, either.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  December 22, 2017

        The last one in Melbourne-earlier this year-killed 6 and injured 30.

        Was anyone convinced that he did it because he was of Greek descent ?

        Mental illness is universal. To say that this man is a terrorist simply because he is a mentally ill, druggy Muslim is like saying that all Muslims here are doctors because many are.

      • lurcher1948

         /  December 22, 2017

        YAWN

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  December 23, 2017

          Not very yawn-making for the victims, I imagine.

  2. sorethumb

     /  December 22, 2017

    THE man arrested after a four-wheel-drive mowed down pedestrians in Melbourne has a history of mental illness and drug abuse, [and being a muslim from Afghanistan] police said.

    which part influenced him to take this particular action?

  3. Tipene

     /  December 22, 2017

    Could the media and the Police bend themselves any more into a pretzel on this awful event?

    “The Australian citizen of Afghan descent”? These pricks are immigrants from a Muslim country, the religious leaders of whom who endorse the very act against “the infidel” that these guys did..

    “The incident”? You don’t have counter -terrorism team involved in “incidents”.

    “Quarantined to a singular incident”? Those bloody “lone wolves” aye?

    “History of mental illness”? Yes, that would be an excellent description of Islam – but they are going to enable a terrorist act by saying the guy was nuts, so what he did wasn’t that bad?

    It will be our turn soon – do take care to ensure that you have the resources to ensure your own protection when it hits, because our media and police force is NOT going to protect us from what is coming.

    Tick, tock, tick, tock…………………………………….

    • There are much greater risks here from mental illness – murders, suicides, crime generally, imprisonment rates.

      Rather than warning and worrying about the sky falling, we have real problems of our own right now that has a huge death toll and a huge human toll.

      • sorethumb

         /  December 22, 2017

        Those mental illness problems are a given in all societies. Islam is exogenous.

      • Tipene

         /  December 22, 2017

        Yes, and the genesis of same is identical: allergy to truth, anchored within in an existential absence of resilience.

        “The sky falling”? When it hits us here, Pete, it won’t be coming from the sky.

      • Gezza

         /  December 22, 2017

        Those risks already exist. Islamic terrorist attacks on innocent people are an extra risk that comes with having Muslims in your community.

        • That combined with often a lack of broad education, no respect or care for the secular state and the fundamental belief that all non believers are worse than second class citizens, they’re undeserving and not at all equal.

        • In relation to the new Zealand community there are much greater risks than Muslims – in fact Muslims are little more than a perceived risk, compared to many actual risks and actual problems our communities face.

          There has been far more damage done to New Zealand society by Christians and agnostics and atheists than Muslims.

          But it’s human nature to divert blame to bogeymen that ‘aren’t like us’.

          • Gezza

             /  December 22, 2017

            Our Muslim community is mercifully small & hopefully easier to monitor. Dismiss the risk if you like but a larger Muslim community increases the risk. The evidence of that is quite clear overseas, and even across The Ditch. You only have to do a cartoon or mock Islam or their bullshit Prophet to run tne risk of being murdered by Muslim fanatics. Being involved in a war in which Muslims are being killed is another factor – in fact if any reason is given at all by any of these murdering religious fanatics, that’s usually the one they give.

            • lurcher1948

               /  December 22, 2017

              YAWN all been said i will say DORKLAND or WELLINGTON, watch drivers with scarves approaching crossings when crossing with family

          • Tipene

             /  December 22, 2017

            Examples, please?

          • George

             /  December 22, 2017

            Well Aussie was pretty okay up to a couple of years ago. No coffee bar slayings or such.
            And now the favourite muslim method of attack on innocents but its excused as the actions of a druggie and a nutter nothing about a muslim

          • Tipene

             /  December 22, 2017

            Oh, I’d say a Suzuki Vitara doing 100 km plus in a crowded street, directly aimed at citizens of the host state, being driven by a couple of the Prophets “bad boys” exceeds the threshold of “perceived risk”.

            But I get it – “it’s OK when the Muslims do it”

            • On perceived risk I was talking about here in New Zealand.

              “it’s OK when the Muslims do it”

              That’s stupid, you obviously don’t get it, unless you’re speaking for yourself. Violent attacks are abhorrent whoever does it.

              Men are the major offenders – should all men be condemned?

            • lurcher1948

               /  December 22, 2017

              SAID IT ALL Tipene.

          • David

             /  December 22, 2017

            “There has been far more damage done to New Zealand society by Christians and agnostics and atheists than Muslims.”

            Maybe that’s because the vast, vast majority of NZers are christians etc.

            There is a simple fact, the more Muslims you import, the more Islamic terrorism you get. It’s a choice.

      • Agree, but it’s a separate problem. Although ( concession doesn’t happen often ) the common thread is feeling a disengagement from the group and perceived or actual societal thrusts – for a multitude of reasons. I feel we need to concentrate more on life education that embraces difference and tirelessly promotes and encourages participation.

        • Above @peteg

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  December 22, 2017

            It’s absurd to say that Australia was okay until a couple of years ago-google mass and serial killings in Australia and see what you come up with.

  4. Tipene

     /  December 22, 2017

    A good summary of what is actually going on, which the media won’t touch:

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2f0_1513345261

  5. Missy

     /  December 22, 2017

    Saying this guy has mental problems and it isn’t a terrorist because he has not links to a terror cell shows a gross misunderstanding of how ISIS are now working.

    Just days ago ISIS published a guide to carrying out a lone wolf attack. This isn’t the first time either, ISIS have published many guides for those that sympathise their cause on how to carry out lone wolf terror attacks.

    A Muslim who may have mental health issues that has been easily manipulated and influenced by online extremism could easily have read these online guides, and believe in the cause of groups like ISIS.

    If that is the case does that not make it Islamic terrorism?

    It amazes me how in situations like this media, police, and the liberal elites are quick to jump on the ‘mental health issues’ arguments, but when a white guy with mental health issues who years before was associated with a far right group commits an act of murder he is labelled a far right terrorist immediately, or when a white guy with no known links to any group – far right or otherwise – runs down people outside a mosque he is labelled a far right terrorist. To tip toe around the perpetrators race, religion, or former nationality, and make excuses for why he may have committed such a terrible crime means that we as a society will never be able to address these crimes.

    He may have mental health issues and alcohol problems, but it does not mean he did not have the same beliefs as Muslim extremists. Just as the guy who ran down people outside the Finsbury Mosque earlier this year had mental health issues and alcohol problems, but he may have had the same beliefs as the far right extremists. The difference in these two cases? In the first case (today’s) everyone seems to be tiptoeing around it being terrorism, in the second it was almost immediately decided (by media and the public on social media) that he was far right and a terrorist. They may both just be criminal acts. But there is an imbalance in how it is approached, mostly because many are scared of being labelled racist or islamaphobic.

    • Tipene

       /  December 22, 2017

      I know one thing:

      Whoever does eventually publically stand up to these dangerous individuals better have their families and loved one tucked away safely, because it won’t only be the Muslims who come after them – it will be the State, championed by the media apologists.

      The war has started – but one side is wrapping their “blankies” around themselves, sticking their fingers in their ears and going “la, la, la, la, la, I am not listening!!”

    • NOEL

       /  December 22, 2017

      You know more than the Police Missy????
      “At this time, we don’t have any evidence or intelligence to indicate a connection with terrorism,” said the acting chief commissioner of Victoria State, Shane Patton.

      • Missy

         /  December 22, 2017

        Where did I say I know more than the police?

        My post is generally speculative and based on the experiences of the UK and Europe.

        • NOEL

           /  December 22, 2017

          Ahh in this case conjecture that it was an act of terrorism before all the evidence is in?
          You’ve been wrong before. True meaning of haka action come to mind?

          • High Flying Duck

             /  December 22, 2017

            I think her point was that the media are very quick to jump on “Far Right Activist” tag before there is any evidence when a white person commits such a crime, whereas when the perpetrator is middle eastern there is a caution bordering on suppression as to motives.

          • Squirrel. Willful misstating of Missy piece. But to be expect I suppose…

          • Please stop your absurd ad hominrm and whataboutism. Bullying brings nothing to the debate

      • Gezza

         /  December 22, 2017

        The fact that a Muslim uses a vehicle to deliberately run down scores of innocent people in a Western country, a method recommended & commended by ISIS, the pre-eminent acknowledged Muslim terrorist group, which has called on Muslims everywhere to do this, is now a standard method already used by numerous Muslim fanatics in Europe to murder innocent people in the past couple of years, already provides an obvious link.

        • NOEL

           /  December 22, 2017

          Better phone the Victoria Police then?

          • Gezza

             /  December 22, 2017

            There’s no need. They are required to be PC for political reasons, and the question of whether a Muslim who does this is a ‘terrorist’ or just another insane Muslim murdering Innocent Westerners is a fine one that really doesn’t matter if you’re a victim or a potential victim for the next one. Any non-Muslim with a working brain can see the connection to ISIS’s call.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  December 22, 2017

              I doubt very much whether they would be PC about a real terrorist.

              The people who think that this sort of mass attack is only done by Muslims in Australia can’t have heard of the mass murder at the resort in (Tasmania ?), the last car killing and the odd serial killer.

              None of NZ’s mass murders have been done by Muslims.

  6. sorethumb

     /  December 22, 2017

    There has been far more damage done to New Zealand society by Christians and agnostics and atheists than Muslims.
    …..
    Yes it was Marxists who let them in.

    • phantom snowflake

       /  December 22, 2017

      Large numbers of muslim immigrants during the 9 years of the National-led government; thanks for the big reveal that Key, English & co. are…MARXISTS!!

  7. Christopher Moran

     /  December 22, 2017

    Mental illness? Give me a break. Everyone they use for attacks are mentally ill. If a man is suicidal they use him for attacks, homicidal, attacks, all of them. The bosses of organizations dont do the attacking. The mentally ill idiots do. This was a terror attack. Straight out of a terror magazine. Why would he choose this way? Its because it was suggested by terror organizations. Im so tired of the media and the government believing they are smarter than everyone else. We dont live in a communist country. We believe the truth not propaganda. Stop believing the lie that universities taught you that propaganda works. It doesn’t. It was a terrorist attack. Period.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  December 22, 2017

      So you know more than the police do ?

    • NOEL

       /  December 22, 2017

      You are prattling on with Missy’s and Geeza’s line.
      I put up the terrorism legislation because far from been simply politically PC the Victoria Police have to use the Law.
      I’ll wait to all the evidence is in and the Police and ASIO investigations are finished before I would pronounce it an act of terrorism.

  8. Kitty Catkin

     /  December 22, 2017

    Look up Australia’s mass murders and serial killings in recent years and see how many were done by Muslims. One, I think.

    This fact will, of course, not stop the hysteria.

    • David

       /  December 22, 2017

      What hysteria? The government has clearly stated this is a one-off attack and is nothing at all to do with Islam, which is a religion of peace. This is just a mental illness issue.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  December 23, 2017

        I know that, but the bigots who can’t tell the difference between ordinary Muslims and extremists are having a field day…

        One might as well say that all Christians are like the extreme nutters of sects like Westboro Baptists or that all Irish Catholics are IRA members and all Ulster Protestants are Orangemen or members of the UDF and UDR. NB, I noticed on a documentary about trainee spies that when they had to talk their way into some stranger’s flat, the man with the obvious Ulster accent had trouble doing this !

        People seem to have forgotten all the other mass killings in Australia, like the one earlier this year in Melbourne.

    • Gezza

       /  December 22, 2017

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Australia
      Observe the trend.

      Terror attacks in Australia: The near-misses you haven’t heard about
      http://www.news.com.au/national/crime/the-11-imminent-terror-attacks-australia-narrowly-escaped/news-story/86fc734df0963e21fe038c0eecce7d80

      1ewes tonite advised that Australian cities are on high alert over the Xmas period because this is assessed as a high risk time for ISIS inspired Islamic terrorist attacks. There were already special sub-machinegun armed anti-terrorist police squads patrolling the streets of Melbourne & Sydney before this latest attack.

      Perhaps the Australian police & security services are better informed on the Muslim terrorist threat than you, Kitty. Interested in your thoughts on that?

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  December 23, 2017

        That doesn’t alter the fact that mass killings and serial killers have been around in Australia for a long time and that the recent ones have not been Muslim except one, as far as I know. The car killings earlier this year were done by a man who would probably have been Greek Orthodox.

        • Gezza

           /  December 23, 2017

          Well yes, but I’m not talking about that. That’s a bit of a red herring when we’re talking about Muslim terrorists specifically. I’m asking if you think the Australian authorities might know a lot more about (have access to more intel about) Muslim terrorist threats to & in Australia than you do?

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  December 23, 2017

            I would imagine so, but this man seems to be a druggy nutcase and druggy nutcases are everywhere…and it’s true that the last car attack killed 6 and injured 30….and was not a terrorist attack any more than almost all such things have been there. Let’s keep a sense of proportion here.

  9. NOEL

     /  December 23, 2017

    It about this particular incident. Presumably you’ve assumed its a .Muslin terroist attack?
    You know what they say about assu.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  December 23, 2017

      a) It was a terrorist attack – indiscriminate attack on innocents to produce terror.
      b) It was carried out by a Muslim.

      You are the only person making assumptions re this.

  10. Alan Wilkinson

     /  December 23, 2017

    Subversive questions:
    a) Is supporting terrorism a mental illness?
    b) Is the Muslim faith a mental illness?
    c) When does religious faith become a mental illness?

    • PartisanZ

       /  December 23, 2017

      And extremely useful questions they are too Alan!

      a) Depends how we define “terrorism”. Supporting terrorist acts which are founded in psychopathic or sociopathic adherence to belief systems is probably mental illness, yes.

      However, the partisans in Nazi occupied countries during WW2, who committed what might loosely be called ‘terrorist’ acts, are mostly considered heroic. In many cases their adherence was to Soviet style communism.

      So terrorism is mental illness so long as we’re not fitting the diagnosis to our preferred crime?

      b) Any organisation, faith or belief system which demands and begets blind, unquestioning adherence is psychopathic or sociopathic IMHO and hence constitutes ‘mental illness’. This is far from restricted only to adherents of Islam, although it seems to me that Islam has a very high per capita ‘blind adherence’ quotient.

      US Marines, NZ Army, CIA, SIS, MOSAD and all their equivalents, plus multitudes of corporate personnel fall into roughly the same category IMHO …

      c) Religious faith becomes a mental illness, one might argue, when the faith demands behaviour from a person which goes against that person’s natural humanity?

      Worthy of much discussion IMHO …