Reaction to the UN vote on the US and Jerusalem

There has also been some predictable wailing at the Whale:

Curiously Whale Oil has not mentioned this reaction (1 News): Winston Peters backs NZ vote against US, calling for withdrawal of decision on Jerusalem

Foreign Minister Winston Peters has backed the United Nations vote calling for the United States to withdraw its decision to recognise Jersualem as the capital of Israel.

“The resolution reflects New Zealand’s long-held support for a two-state solution to the conflict.

“The resolution called for the acceleration of efforts to achieve a comprehensive, just and lasing peace in the Middle East.

“This is something we all can support.”

Prime Minister Ardern’s reaction (NZ Herald): NZ votes against US over declaring Jerusalem as capital of Israel

“New Zealand has long supported the two-state solution. This is not about any other nations relative position be it Australia or be it the United States, it’s about maintaining our independent foreign policy and our position around support of that two-state solution so I don’t think it should be something that is framed that is for or against the US.”

When questioned why not, Ardern said anything that happened before it was resolved “would be premature”.

“Certainly any moves like those taken by the US don’t take us any further towards that resolution and that’s the argument that New Zealand has made and obviously a number of other countries have made that point as well so to sit alongside hundreds of other countries I think it’s fair to say that there’s a real sentiment there, but yes, ultimately we need to find a peaceful solution but that’s what needs to come first.”

This was repeated an an Al Jazeera Asia-Pacific report: Australia, Pacific nations sidestep overwhelming UN vote on Jerusalem

Australia and other Pacific nations did not join almost 130 countries in an overwhelming vote at the UN demanding the United States drop its recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, reports RNZ Pacific.

A total of 128 countries — including New Zealand and Papua New Guinea — backed the resolution, which is non-binding, nine voted against — including Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Palau and Nauru — and 35 abstained.

Twenty-one countries, including Samoa and Tonga, did not cast a vote.

New Zealand supported the UN resolution calling for the US to withdraw a decision to recognise Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

New Zealand’s longstanding foreign policy position supports a two-state solution.

Weekend Herald editorial: Bid to sway vote with foreign aid threat was a disgrace to the United States

Every time it seems Donald Trump could not do much worse, he does. His crude attempt to sway a United Nations vote with United States foreign aid discredits his country on a worse level than the leadership it has lost in the world under his presidency. It is one thing to pull out of treaties on trade and climate change and the like, it is quite another thing to try to bully or bribe other countries to do his bidding.

The threat to “take names” of aid recipients who supported a resolution in the General Assembly against his decision to recognise Jerusalem as Israel’s capital was as foolish as it was disreputable.

Destitute places who defied him probably will not lose their aid, if only because better people far below the President in the ranks of US policy making can probably see that they keep it. At the end of its first year the Trump Administration is being described as chaotic and dysfunctional, leaving space for responsible office holders to work around the impetuous utterances and late-night tweets of the President. It has reached the point where other countries’ leaders seem not to take him too seriously.

Britain and other European allies went ahead and voted for the UN resolution, as did New Zealand.

Just as Trump can ignore world opinion, the countries of the world (apart from a handful of tiny nations who voted against the resolution) can ignore Trump’s threats.

After nearly a year under Trump the US is rapidly losing its claim to be any sort of model of human rights and democracy. Bullies and autocrats around the world are citing his attitudes and statements to justify their own treatment of opponents, critics, women and minorities. A presidency could hardly sink much lower than this but it probably will.

Unfortunately Trump and the US will probably sink lower.

New Zealand seems to have got little attention internationally on the vote apart from being listed amongst those countries supporting the resolution.

Israel Institute of New Zealand: New Zealand sided with the mob in yet another anti-Israel UN resolution

New Zealand has further entrenched UN discrimination against the only Jewish state by voting with the mob, against sovereign nations being allowed to declare their own capitals.

There are 193 member states of the United Nations. Of these, 125 – the Non-aligned movement, which includes the 57 member states of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation – are inherently anti-Israel and anti-democratic. It is little wonder that there are disproportionately more resolutions passed against Israel than any other country (by a ratio of 20:1) when countries like Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea, and Venezuela dictate the agenda.

And New Zealand “joined the bullies” in voting for the resolution, as Israel Institute of New Zealand director, Dr David Cumin, told RadioNZ.

And talking to Te Karere, Dr Cumin said it was disappointing that New Zealand was not standing up to the bullies at the UN who push resolutions that “seek to deny Jews access to their most tapu sites” and to ignore the tangata whenua status of Jews in Israel.

However this is about more than “sovereign nations being allowed to declare their own capitals”.

The (draft) resolution states:


Status of Jerusalem

Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations, and reaffirming, inter alia, the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force,

Bearing in mind the specific status of the Holy City of Jerusalem and, in particular, the need for the protection and preservation of the unique spiritual, religious and cultural dimensions of the city, as foreseen in relevant United Nations resolutions,

Stressing that Jerusalem is a final status issue to be resolved through negotiations in line with relevant United Nations resolutions,

Expressing, in this regard, its deep regret at recent decisions concerning the
status of Jerusalem,

  1. Affirms that any decisions and actions which purport to have altered the character, status or demographic composition of the Holy City of Jerusalem have no legal effect, are null and void and must be rescinded in compliance with relevant resolutions of the Security Council, and in this regard calls upon all States to refrain from the establishment of diplomatic missions in the Holy City of Jerusalem, pursuant to Security Council resolution 478 (1980);
  2. Demands that all States comply with Security Council resolutions regarding the Holy City of Jerusalem, and not recognize any actions or measures contrary to those resolutions;
  3. Reiterates its call for the reversal of the negative trends on the ground that are imperilling the two-State solution and for the intensification and acceleration of international and regional efforts and support aimed at achieving, without delay, a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East on the basis of the relevant United Nations resolutions, the Madrid terms of reference, including the principle of land for peace, the Arab Peace Initiative and the Quartet road map, and an end to the Israeli occupation that began in 1967.

 

 

 

48 Comments

  1. artcroft

     /  December 23, 2017

    I’d love to know how National would have voted.

    • It would have been a major departure from New Zedaland’s foreign policy if they voted against it.

      • artcroft

         /  December 23, 2017

        True. National did put up a UN motion condemning settlement building in the occupied territories.

  2. sorethumb

     /  December 23, 2017

    The US should cut funding. The UN is an activist organisation. Eg
    EU should ‘undermine national homogeneity’ says UN migration chief
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-18519395

    • PartisanZ

       /  December 23, 2017

      Or perhaps the United States could just declare themselves the Unilaterally combined Nations?

      An “activist organisation”? WTF!? If your thumb’s smarting, always check the source! Who’s the activist in this case …?

      “He [Peter Sutherland] told the House of Lords committee migration was a “crucial dynamic for economic growth” in some EU nations “however difficult it may be to explain this to the citizens of those states”.

      He’s “non-executive chairman of Goldman Sachs International and a former chairman of oil giant BP” FFS! In other words a Corporate Activist …

      You either want your globalized economy with all the baubles, trinkets, gadgets and migrants that come with it …. or you don’t …?

      • sorethumb

         /  December 23, 2017

        UN migration chief
        ……..
        You either want your globalized economy with all the baubles, trinkets, gadgets and migrants that come with it …. or you don’t …?

        There is a difference between globalisation and internationalisation of trade
        https://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/162/27995.html

        • PartisanZ

           /  December 23, 2017

          UN migration chief … “non-executive chairman of Goldman Sachs International and a former chairman of oil giant BP” …. and hard-core Cultural Marxist … Right?

          Yes, globalisation and internationalisation are ‘different’ in a similar way to dominant culture and hegemony … They are at very least widely overlapping spheres and at most component parts of one another …

          World Market = World Government IMHO, since all markets require regulations.

  3. Gezza

     /  December 23, 2017

    Mahmoud Abbas in a joint press conference in Paris with President Macron last night said Palestinians will no longer accept any mediation by the United States in peace talks because it is biased in favour of Israel & not an honest broker. Bibi will be very happy with Jared & Ivanka I imagine.

    The aid & UN cuts threatened by Trump obviously had an effect on the small aid-dependent pacific & other countries who abstained from voting in favour of the resolution, but it’s interesting that Australia abstained, instead of voting against it, because they’re generally such fawning lapdogs of the US.

    The footage of Nikki Hayley telling the UN the Americans will be taking names and punishing countries who voted against their wishes is pretty much the final clue everybody needed that America under Trump is maybe best left alone & not invited to anything?

    • artcroft

       /  December 23, 2017

      The crazy thing is, if you’re going to pull the “I’ll be taking names stunt” publicly, you have to chose your issue and vote carefully. E.g. this is a big issue, I have plenty of current support and this stunt will push the few recalcitrants across the line.
      But not, its a relatively issue, I have no support, I will not win and this just makes me look stupid, weak and a bully of the unintelligent kind.

      If Trump was smart and really cared he would have tried to use background channels to fix this instead of the open session at the UN.

      I guess this is just another play to his base. Divide America First.

      • artcroft

         /  December 23, 2017

        relatively issue = relatively minor issue

      • Gezza

         /  December 23, 2017

        10 Palestinian protestors killed by Israeli troops since Trump’s announcement already.
        No Israelis killed by Palestinians since then, yet.

        Everything going according to Bibi’s & Jared’s plan, except for the last part. By now he would probably have been hoping some Israelis had been killed. Bibi’s succeeded in getting his agent in the Trump family to arrange for Trump enrage the Palestinians, but he can’t really embark on killing a lot of Palestinians until a couple of their own citizens get killed.

        • David

           /  December 23, 2017

          Dumb of them to keep protesting then isn’t it?

          • Gezza

             /  December 23, 2017

            Not necessarily. If they can goad Bibi into shooting enuf of them or massacring a few hubdred or thousand of them again like in 2014 that changes the situation back in their favour.

            The next few months will be interesting because the US is permanently out of the picture now when it comes to seeking a negotiated peace. They were never honest brokers anyway: all that bollocks from Trump about a deal (with a wink to Bibi & Jared) was basically just that.

            Macron seems to want to pick up the negotiator’s job. It’s just more grist to the mill for those countries who already see Trump & the US as basically the world’s most powerful bully & dangerous. It’s now going to be a race to get parity with them by China & to undercut them in the ME by Russia & Turkey I suspect.

            We’ll see. The Saudis are probably larfing too.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  December 23, 2017

              “Seeking a negotiated peace” is both perpetual and futile. Seems to be nothing more than progressive virtue signalling as usual. Can be done with out any visible sign of intelligent thought.

            • Gezza

               /  December 23, 2017

              Well, Trumpy’s foray into the middle of it was done without any intelligent thought – something Bibi & Jared took advantage of. Seems to me there are a lot of people playing games in the Middle East. You never know who’s going to enter an alliance & then change horses when the situation suits.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  December 23, 2017

              You seem to be complaining the US doesn’t change its Israeli horse.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  December 23, 2017

              G, please introduce the ‘honest broker’ to the world stage

            • Gezza

               /  December 24, 2017

              I think we have to rule out Nige. Macron might as well give it a go.

  4. George

     /  December 23, 2017

    Been ‘peace talks’ for years.
    And nothing.
    Just more ‘peace talks’
    If it aint working do something else

    • Gezza

       /  December 23, 2017

      Don’t let the US be your pro-Zionist broker any more is what the Palestinians have decided.
      It creates the opportunity for someone else to do some honest brokering & and the likelihood the US will then threaten them too. Not a happy situation, but that’s Trumpy & Bibi & Jared & Ivanka for you.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  December 23, 2017

        Good luck with getting honest brokering from Russia and China.

        • Gezza

           /  December 23, 2017

          More likely to be a European country, maybe France. Can’t be Britain, they created the problem. Russia & China are more likely to just work to further undermine American influence in the Middle East. The Saudis are already ignoring them over Qatar & Israel. I guess the US could punish the Saudis & others by halting arms shipments, but that’s jobs gone? And the Russians would maybe be happy to make up any shortfall. The Saudis don’t seem to concerned about using precision munitions in Yemen.

          • David

             /  December 23, 2017

            “The Saudis don’t seem to concerned about using precision munitions in Yemen.”

            It’s funny, but Yemen was the country that posted this vote. You would think they had more pressing problems than where the USA put’s it’s embassies.

  5. Patzcuaro

     /  December 23, 2017

    I think Jerusalem should be turned into an independent international city where Christians, Jews and Muslims can worship in peace. Probably utopian but it would be better than fighting over it.

    • High Flying Duck

       /  December 23, 2017

      That was the original plan. Known as Corpus Seperatum.
      Israel accepted this but the Arabs did not. England, who controlled the mandate didn’t implement the plan and there was a war When England withdrew.
      After the war Israel controlled half and Jordan the other half.
      Israel rejected the separate state option for Jerusalem from that point.

    • Strong For Life

       /  December 23, 2017

      Jews, Muslims and Christians can worship in peace in Jerusalem now. Do you think this would be the case if Hamas ran the city?

      • Patzcuaro

         /  December 23, 2017

        If one faction controls Jerusalem there will never be peace.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  December 23, 2017

          Because the Middle East is so peaceful when Arabs are not fighting Israel?

          • Gezza

             /  December 23, 2017

            Actually it’s got a lot less peaceful since the Americans got involved. If they hadn’t invaded Iraq there’d have been no ISIS. If they hadn’t armed the mujahideen then abandoned them there’d have been no Al Queda. They have a track record of making thing worse there, not better. And before you say what about Trump helping get rid of ISIS that’s down to policy decisions & deployments by the Obama administration.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  December 23, 2017

              that’s down to policy decisions & deployments by the Obama administration

              An unlikely story.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  December 23, 2017

              from an article in August:

              “Nearly a third of territory reclaimed from the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria since 2014 has been won in the past six months, due to new policies adopted by the Trump administration, a senior State Department official said Friday.

              Brett McGurk, the State Department’s senior envoy to the anti-Islamic State coalition, said that steps President Trump has taken, including delegating decision-making authority down from the White House to commanders in the field, have “dramatically accelerated” gains against the militants.

              Combined Islamic State losses in both countries since the group’s peak control in early 2015 total about 27,000 square miles of territory — 78 percent of militant holdings in Iraq and 58 percent in Syria. About 8,000 square miles have been reclaimed under Trump, McGurk said in a briefing for reporters.”

              https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/under-trump-gains-against-isis-have-dramatically-accelerated/2017/08/04/8ad29d40-7958-11e7-8f39-eeb7d3a2d304_story.html

            • High Flying Duck

               /  December 23, 2017

              The guy who said the gains came due to Trump held the same position under Obama.

            • Gezza

               /  December 23, 2017

              American State Department. I’ve just started watching The Vietnam War series on TVNZ on demand. Remember how they were always winning it?

              The Iraqi Army, the Kurdish Peshmerga, the Shiite Militias & I think even Iranians are doing the dirty work fighting ISIS. The US isn’t running this campaign, HFD. It’s had a training, small Special Forces fighting component where specifically permitted (I think) & a flying artillery role, along with other countries air forces too. Although it would be perfectly normal under the Trump Administration for the US to claim all the credit.

              In Syria a few months back US Special Forces tried to get involved in a battle against ISIS involving the Syrian Arab Army & were told in no uncertain terms to fuck off out of it. And they did.

            • Gezza

               /  December 23, 2017

              Oops, sorry – it was the Free Syrian Army, not the SAA – I think that’s Assad’s lot.

  6. lurcher1948

     /  December 23, 2017

    There isnt to much aid to be cut…except weapons
    https://www.juancole.com/2017/12/reasons-threats-jerusalem.html

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  December 23, 2017

      Via the UN the US contributes US$10B. 30% of its budget apparently.

      • Patzcuaro

         /  December 23, 2017

        If I don’t get what I want I will spit the dummy.

  7. Zedd

     /  December 23, 2017

    USA is becoming increasingly Isolationist, with the ‘Make America GREAT again !’
    echoes of GW Bush ‘Your either with us OR Your with the TERRORISTS’ when they invaded Iraq on fall pretences of WMDs

    Mr T sounding a bit “Today Washington.. Tomorrow THE WORLD !”

  8. alloytoo

     /  December 23, 2017

    Until the other citizens of all countries in the middle east enjoy the same rights and privileges as citizens of Israel enjoy (irrespective of race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation) then the UN can shove it’s declarations where the sun don’t shine.

  9. “The resolution reflects New Zealand’s long-held support for a two-state solution to the conflict.”

    Perhaps someone can remind us which of the 1.6 billion Muslims – commanded by their “faith” to destroy Israel and every Jew on the planet – are in favour of this “two-state solution”. I can’t seem to recall…

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