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28 December 2017

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69 Comments

  1. PartisanZ

     /  December 28, 2017

    Progress of the latest “Think Big” equivalence Project … RoNS … (SNoRe) …

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11958921

    Nah, actually, not SNoRe ….. F … U … $C …. K !!!

    • Conspiratoor

       /  December 28, 2017

      Thanks for the progress report partisanz. With the growing pressure on roading infeastructure in and around Auckland it can’t come soon enough!

      Irony is, it may turn out to be another harbour bridge type visionary project. The day it is finally opened, it won’t be able to cope with the unexpected number of vehicles on the roads. Too little too late, unless disruptive technologies begin to provide more cost effective ways of moving people around

      • PartisanZ

         /  December 28, 2017

        An infinitely cheaper version of it mostly using the existing highway couldn’t have come too soon …

        This BULLSHIT will come WAY TOO LATE, no matter when it comes …

        Have a look at the map in the article and ask yourself “What’s the f#*king point?”

        The point is, you and so many others have been “THink BIGGED” … and the road transport industry has exercised its proportional representation of government ownership …

        • Conspiratoor

           /  December 28, 2017

          “An infinitely cheaper version of it mostly using the existing highway couldn’t have come too soon”

          Evidence please

          • PartisanZ

             /  December 28, 2017

            The evidence is everywhere in the functioning (though admittedly neglected) two lane highway throughout Northland with strategically placed passing lanes, e.g. Waipu straights … among many others …

            I can’t cite the North side of the Brynderwyns as evidence because they’ve been used as a bottomless taxpayers’ money-pit rather like RoNS.

            The Puhoi-Warkworth money [$709.5 million for 18.5km or $38.35 million per km] should be being shared between ‘Two-plus-Passing’ that stretch and fixing up all the remaining Two-plus-Passing highway, the egalitarian backbone of New Zealand’s roading infrastructure …

            It’s not as if the existing SH1 isn’t scenic enough!

            You must have approved of ‘Think Big’ by the sound of it?

            • Conspiratoor

               /  December 28, 2017

              Stop squandering electrons my geologically challenged friend

              No evidence, just another feeble attempt at diversion. Irrelevant are my thoughts on think big

            • PartisanZ

               /  December 28, 2017

              I didn’t say some stretches of Puhoi-Warkworth couldn’t be ‘diverted’ or ‘realigned’ … but where there’s an existing highway half the geological challenge is already won!

              Where’s the evidence FOR this expenditure?

              And has the government considered the effect on towns like Warkworth that get completely bypassed?

            • Conspiratoor

               /  December 28, 2017

              10,000 vehicles a day currently pass through the dome valley. In10 years the experts expect the new highway to be carrying 35,000 a day. How do you think your “infinitely cheaper” option would address this bottleneck given the geographical constraints in the valley

              With some vast chinese owned subdivisions about to spring up on the outskirts of warkworth I don’t think you should worry about this town becoming a forgotten backwater

            • PartisanZ

               /  December 28, 2017

              Yep, it makes perfect sense in ‘cultural insanity’ terms …

              A much shorter 2+Passing diversion around Dome Valley would perhaps be appropriate, and still be infinitely cheaper …. But a whole new 18.5 km including 7 bridges simply DOES NOT MAKE SENSE …

              Just like spending $80 million on the North side of the Brynderwyns and doing nothing to the Dome Valley-like South side makes no sense … Then, weeks after the ‘realigned’ stretch is re-opened, they start talking about an alternative route …

              Alternative rort …?

              And why would the government encourage people to settle in Warkworth as an Auckland satellite commuter sub-division when there’s kilometre after kilometre of potential settlement areas closer to Auckland? Puhoi? Mahurangi West? Vast areas in behind Orewa? And Dairy Flat FFS!? Just outside of Albany!

              YOU’VE BEEN RORTED …

            • Conspiratoor

               /  December 28, 2017

              Perhaps to spread the infrastructure burden and sidestep the landbankers the experts have decided satellite towns are the way of the future and Warkworth is destined to grow biggly. To cater for this population growth, approximately 1000 hectares of land around Warkworth has been zoned ‘Future Urban’

              Personally I would like to see the road transport lobby kicked to the kerb and more use made of rail links between major centres. However this is not likely to happen in my lifetime

              I did some back of the envelop costings on bringing Alice up from Waterview and getting her to do a return trip through the Brenderwyns. We could have had a 6 lane highway under the damn thing for a fraction of the cost of the gold plated debacle we have finished up with

            • PartisanZ

               /  December 28, 2017

              Thanks …

              I have a personal connection of sorts with one such “landbanker” on the outskirts of Warkworth …. and he ain’t Chinese neither ….

              I also believe [but cannot prove] that a certain Christian religious sect with strong ties to National and the Alt-Right stand to make a LARGE fortune out of Warkworth subdivisions …

              I wonder if this could have anything to do with the previous government ‘favouring’ the town for ‘future urban’ …

            • PartisanZ

               /  December 28, 2017

              Puhoi-Warkworth …. “Opening 2021” …

              In other words, if you vote for us again in 2020 – Labour or National, makes no difference – you’ll get to see the opening of this and, no doubt, be first to pay the toll …?

            • Conspiratoor

               /  December 28, 2017

              Choice is a wonderful thing partisanz, surely you agree. Here we have a highway that in time will fully refund your hard earned investment, yet you are free to take the old road should you not wish to dip into your savings and fork out with a few dollars to use it.

              Everybody’s a winner!

            • PartisanZ

               /  December 28, 2017

              Me and lots of other people would simply choose not to build it in the first place C … but we have no choice … (I notice the Greens have shied away from bottom-lining their ‘RoNS review’ campaign-promise in their coalition agreement [afaik]?)

              Are you seriously suggesting that New Zealand transportation – in a country which surely retains some residual sense of alcoholized egalitarianism in its bloodstream – is best served by having all highways doubled-up throughout the country?

              A four lane expressway for toll paying customers and the old two laner for the plebs and parasites? All requiring maintenance, of course?

              You gotta be F*%KEN KIDDING ME!

              “Freedom of Choice” is a neoliberal rallying cry roughly the equivalent of communist revolutionary’s yelling “tear down the statues” or “kill the p#gs” … meaningless without specific context.

              Has neoliberalism delivered the freedom of choice to smoke tobacco? To legally imbibe cannabis? Has it delivered less crime? Et al ad infinitum …

              Why the f*%k do yous Righties have so much faith in it still?

            • Conspiratoor

               /  December 28, 2017

              I’m not kidding partisanz. This is a business model that has been around for a number of years. Every time you choose to turn left at the tunnels and take the old road through orewa instead of shelling for that beautiful strip of tarmac, you become part of the machinery of commerce
              btw I’m neither right nor left but if you can’t build a coherent case without attaching labels im okay with it

            • PartisanZ

               /  December 28, 2017

              I know you’re not kidding, which only makes it harder to accept that you actually believe such *crap* … or that anyone does … You’re talking absolute twaddle …

              We’re all part of the machinery of commerce regardless of such choices as old road or new …

              Neoliberalism was supposed to spend money ‘productively and efficiently’, including corporatized taxpayers’ money … which in turn was supposed to be ‘minimized’ …

              How’s that goin’ for ya!?

              I consider myself neither Right nor Left either … They’re difficult labels to drop, despite the fact that same neoliberalism has largely demolished and abolished them. There are atomized ‘issues’ now about which one is FOR or AGAINST …

              Nowadays its more like you’re either IN or OUT …

            • Conspiratoor

               /  December 28, 2017

              I rest my case

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  December 28, 2017

          If someone means ‘fuck’, they should say it !

          • PartisanZ

             /  December 28, 2017

            That’s just crude Miss Kitty … f#ck that …

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  December 28, 2017

              Not at all. If you mean it, say it properly-it’s obvious what you mean.

  2. Corky

     /  December 28, 2017

    Bought some goods off Ali Express yesterday. I highly recommend this site. They support Chinese small businesses and have what must be millions of listings. Many of their products wind up in New Zealand at double, triple the price you buy them from at this site.

    Anyway, my product supplier e-mailed me and asked if I wanted a fake customs declaration to avoid import duty. While I didn’t need it, I thought what the hell. So, my $200 product is now officially a $19.90 gift. The seller also asked if I would like them to switch postal services as their regular service was busy at this time of the year. I was upgraded to fast delivery for free. The original postal cost was also free. In other countries I can pay $80 to $135 for similar postage requirements

    God bless the Chinese way.

    One product I bought was a hydrogen generator. This infuses water with hydrogen. Many great testimonials; many hyped up claims; many scientific papers and many skeptics.

    As usual in such situations, I try things out for myself. Whatever the situation, this is going to be a billion dollar industry. Producers of hydrogen generators are already dissing each other on UTube. Browns gas is considered the gold standard for those who like to breath it.

    This technology is something Lurchy needs to explore. Apparently it brings an inner calm.

    http://www.elle.com/beauty/health-fitness/a43599/liquid-assets/

    • lurcher1948

       /  December 28, 2017

      God one mate, you ripping NZ off from paying import duty, must be a RIGHTY, dishonest to the end, and showing how stupid the right and you are you brag and advertise it,just saying.

      • Corky

         /  December 28, 2017

        I ripped no one off, mate. You need to get educated. Someone may do that for you. Or spend an hour working out the hint from my letter….And get some bloody hydrogen in your system.Your Mitochondria are oxidised.

        • Blazer

           /  December 28, 2017

          the morals of the right…vicious at bashing beneficiaries,unemployed and unfortunate but no conscience regarding their rapacious criminality…’Anyway, my product supplier e-mailed me and asked if I wanted a fake customs declaration to avoid import duty. While I didn’t need it, I thought what the hell. So, my $200 product is now officially a $19.90 gift’

          • Corky

             /  December 28, 2017

            I am morally correct. And legally correct, I have broken no law. Educate yourself. Not my fault you don’t have the money to buy online.

            The feral Left. Always looking for that one opening to bash and denigrate Righties…while turning a blind eye to their own failings.Lying hypocrites.

            You can never be truly friendly with a Leftie. Let my small expose’ be a warning to all Righties- keep them at arms length. And distrust any Rightie who is overly familiar with them.

            • robertguyton

               /  December 28, 2017

              A fake customs declaration…is legal?
              How so, Corks?

            • phantom snowflake

               /  December 28, 2017

              Come on Robert, you’ve been around long enough to know: “It’s ok when The Right do it!”

            • Corky

               /  December 28, 2017

              ‘A fake customs declaration…is legal?”

              In my case, yes. Because in reality it was surplus to requirements for our present import duty laws and levies as pertaining to my order. It could have been a Mickey Mouse sticker for all customs cares.

              Now, if my goods had been incorrectly labelled, we may have had a problem. This of course may change when our money-hungry government tries introducing GST online. The only way I can see that working is by holding goods up and people having to pay GST online to the Customs bonding shed before their items are released.

              Keep beavering away Robert. Hell, ring Customs up. Isn’t that the type of things you nasty Lefties do?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  December 28, 2017

              You do realise that you have indeed committed a crime, Corky, making a false declaration and you have committed one when it was a particularly stupid action !. If you look up what can be brought in, you will see that your purchase was under the amount that would be liable for tax anyway.But making a false declaration is still an offense.

              If you’re caught, you can be prosecuted and have the goods seized,

              Own goal 1

            • patupaiarehe

               /  December 28, 2017

              Um, no Kitty. Corky didn’t make declaration, his Chinese friend did.

            • Corky

               /  December 28, 2017

              Oh, dear. Where is my concrete wall. As Patu said, I made no declaration. The price was the actual net production cost, and I was being given a favour for being a good customer. Here Kitty, make yourself useful.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  December 28, 2017

            Yes, but Corky answered the email and said that he would. He has consented to being involved in a crime-like someone buying a license even though they haven’t printed it.

            • Corky

               /  December 28, 2017

              I’m sorry. I’m down ticking you for having lived a sheltered life.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  December 28, 2017

              And I’ve just upticked you for downticking. Just because I can 😉

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  December 29, 2017

              You have no idea what sort of life I have lived, Corky. But even if I was dishonest enough to make a false declaration, I would not be stupid enough to do and risk prosecution or losing the thing I had sent for.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  December 30, 2017

              do so.

  3. Blazer

     /  December 28, 2017

    as if this is a convincing argument…typical..though…
    ‘In my case, yes. Because in reality it was surplus to requirements for our present import duty laws and levies as pertaining to my order. It could have been a Mickey Mouse sticker for all customs cares.’

    • Corky

       /  December 28, 2017

      You definitely don’t shop online.

      • PartisanZ

         /  December 28, 2017

        Please don’t complain about national boundaries being separated from the State, immigration and suchlike BullSHIT … You’ve made a wonderful contribution towards *diversity* today Corky … Well done!

      • Corky

         /  December 28, 2017

        I’ve had customs ring me to spell out my obligations.. both for import duties and importation of plant material. I even have my own case manager, if I can call him that.

        So yeah. I’m not interested in what you think. I’m just interest in not getting my stuff get held up by Customs.

        As an aside. Lets say you win lotto and start buying online. I find going through your regional Customs Office is much faster than the dedicated National Office Help Centres.
        This may not apply to all. But I have found it so in my case.

        • robertguyton

           /  December 28, 2017

          “Keep beavering away…”, Corky?
          Mine was a single, simple question of clarification; what’s with the bear-with-a-sore-head reaction?
          “Isn’t that the type of things you nasty Lefties do?”
          I’m a Nasty” Lefty, you say? May I quote you in response:
          “Get some bloody hydrogen in your system, Corky. Your Mitochondria are oxidised”.

          • Corky

             /  December 28, 2017

            Lol..you are a hard man Robert. But it’s true. Lurchy is, as we may all be, hydrogen deficient. The bear with the sore head reaction is because of my previous interactions with you, Robert. But l’m off on another weeks holiday. I just wanted to see the Lefties ” hive” defence in action. We oiled and efficient I must say.

            • Corky

               /  December 28, 2017

              ”Well”

            • phantom snowflake

               /  December 28, 2017

              Corky I hope you’re not planning a long break from commenting; you would be greatly missed. I always know that if I am patient and just breathe through the misogyny/racism/homophobia/xenophobia/islamophobia etc etc that eventually you’ll come through with some weird and interesting shit about, I don’t know, Water Divination or Aliens, and all will be well in the world again!!

            • Mefrostate

               /  December 28, 2017

              I must admit it’s difficult getting through a Corky comment in my constant state of hydrogen deficiency.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  December 28, 2017

              gasp….gasp…me, too…gasp,,,hydrogen-please-give me some hydrog

            • Corky

               /  December 28, 2017

              Spare a thought for me, David. I have to deal with people who have such constrained consciousnesses that sometimes a wonder whether I would be better off talking to a concrete wall. Commenting on here develops for my willpower. I guess we both think of each other as being weird.

              Take this for example from Kitty:

              ”gasp….gasp…me, too…gasp,,,hydrogen-please-give me some hydrog”

              Lol…that’s not too far from the truth in some Asian cities where people can go into clinics and breath either oxygen or hydrogen of the Browns Gas type.

              Again from Kitty:

              ”I hope that Corky doesn’t actually inhale it-this could kill him in a very nasty way, starting with him losing control of his bowels.”

              Nope, deep sea divers breath hydrogen at hundreds of times the dose a home made hydrogen machine would make. Less than 4% to be precise because of the risk of explosion. However, at 4% through a bubbler there is no risk. Where Kittty may have a point- there are no studies evaluating long term ingestion of hydrogen gas.

              See my problem problem Dave? You don’t…but that’s fine

            • Corky

               /  December 28, 2017

              Sorry. Comment above to P Snowflake.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  December 28, 2017

              Corky, it probably spoils things to say this, but I was taking the piss out of myself as well as you.

            • Corky

               /  December 29, 2017

              I always work on the scatter gun approach PS. Cover all bases, piss taking or not. i wasn’t expecting so many Lefties to attack me.
              It’s meant to be the season for good cheer.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  December 28, 2017

            I hope that Corky doesn’t actually inhale it-this could kill him in a very nasty way, starting with him losing control of his bowels.

            A man walked into a pub in the UK and asked for a pint of adenosine triphosphate.

            “That’t be 80p.’ said the barman.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  December 28, 2017

              Dihydrogen monoxide sounds like a far safer choice. Even though it has been responsible for many deaths…

            • Corky

               /  December 29, 2017

              .Dihydrogen monoxide must be dangerous stuff. I saw many Greenies signing a petition to have it banned. I think I’ll stick to structured hydrogen gas put through a bubbler..

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  December 30, 2017

              How about helium, inhaled ?

  4. unitedtribes2

     /  December 28, 2017

    My daughter arrived home for xmas. She tends to be a bit of a carrot eating pacifist so I was surprised she asked me to teach her how to shoot with the .22 Winchester. After she put a 3 cm grouping of 5 rounds through the bull at 70 meters she announced enough I now want to shoot a rabbit. Which she did this morning clean through the neck. Handed the Winchester back to her bewildered dad and said thanks.
    Proud Dad.

    • PartisanZ

       /  December 28, 2017

      Heck, things are really getting personal on here …

      ……… comment at own risk …………………

    • Conspiratoor

       /  December 28, 2017

      Well done to you both. Justifiably proud. One of my daughters is comfortable with a glock 17, but only because she has to be. Did brer rabbit finish up on the plate?

      • unitedtribes2

         /  December 28, 2017

        No she draw the line at that one. I suggested she would be handy around the place when the revolution started and she pointed out she may be on the other side. Oh well.

      • Corky

         /  December 28, 2017

        Your daughter is a cop..with a Glock 17?

  5. Mefrostate

     /  December 28, 2017

    17% fewer crashes and 22% fewer injuries in the 18 months since 30km/h speed limits were imposed on parts of Christchurch CBD. Compare that to +29% crashes & +3% injuries in the rest of the the CBD at the same time.

    More of those “idiot lefty bureaucrats” we always hear about.

    • PartisanZ

       /  December 28, 2017

      Good to know …

      However, if they’re the same “idiot Lefty bureaucrats” [or ilk thereof] who are responsible for Kerikeri’s ‘one-way system’ they do have something to answer for …

    • Conspiratoor

       /  December 28, 2017

      Truly an inspired strategy there mefro. I reckon they could reduce the crash rate even further if the speed limit was dropped to 15km/h. What say you?

      • Mefrostate

         /  December 28, 2017

        I have no opinion on the matter, Conspiratoor. I defer to traffic engineers’ expertise, credit them for their successes, and hold them to account where things don’t seem to be working.

        I certainly wouldn’t slag off their entire profession, bureaucrats in general, or lefties as a whole. That would seem to be futile & in bad faith.

    • David

       /  December 28, 2017

      You are bloody kidding ! The 30 kmh zone is a forest of cones and roadworks and where it isnt everyone including the coppers on their way back to the station happily stick to 50 kmh. Half the streets in that zone are near impossible to drive through thanks to the multitude of traffic lights or just totally shut off to traffic.
      Christchurch city is a bloody shit hole, bombed out and blitzed with unused cycle lanes. The longer I live here the more I hate it as it becomes more unlivable with less and less things to do.

      • Conspiratoor

         /  December 28, 2017

        Your problem David, is you don’t trust beauroceats. Just leave it to them …and all these problems will disappear in time

      • duperez

         /  December 28, 2017

        The solution is clear – move to Auckland. 😊