More Lorde criticism

A large advertisement has been run in the Washington Post criticising Lorde’s decision to pull out of a planned concert in Israel.

It’s blatant bullshit to associate Lorde’s decision with New Zealand. She may come from here but she is an international artist acting on her own (with her management).

But her canning the Israel concert could be a slippery slope, for her and for other performers put under similar political pressure.

The power of social media is not always positive – in fact it’s often negative.

 

37 Comments

  1. George

     /  January 2, 2018

    She chose this line of action.
    And suddenly finds the world isn’t a warm place full of fuzzies.
    Didn’t have a problem performing in Russia

    • duperez

       /  January 2, 2018

      The world isn’t a place of warm fuzzies and rationality. It has a range of people in it with a range of views and ways of expressing them. Like Shumely Boteach.

    • Blazer

       /  January 2, 2018

      quite typical,nasty Zionist ..propaganda.They make Goebbels look like an..amatuer.

      • I find that offensive in the extreme.

        • Blazer

           /  January 2, 2018

          yes,but you are a very delicate petal…..at..times.

        • Gezza

           /  January 2, 2018

          Well, actually it is exactly Goebels’ technique. It’s making a completely false allegation about New Zealanders & Lorde, accusing both of anti-semitism & being opposed to the state of Israel, neither of which is true. The guy’s a classic case of a bigot hypocrtically calling others a bigot, only he really IS one, those he’s targettin are not.

          That ad is one big, false, slur, aimed at the dimwitted, the ignorant, & the bigots.

  2. lurcher1948

     /  January 2, 2018

    Should preform in Iran at one of the protests …

    • Gezza

       /  January 2, 2018

      THE WORLD VALUES NETWORK
      Mission is to disseminate universal Jewish values in politics, culture, and media, making the Jewish people a light unto the nations.

      It is our belief that Judaism, with it’s unique emphasis on perfecting the world and celebrating life, can benefit America against some the greatest challenges of our time including high rates of divorce, teen alienation, depression, and growing ignorance and materialism.

      While Judaism has impacted and shaped the two great world religions of Christianity and Islam, it has taken a backseat as a purveyor of ideas in its own right. Judaism’s core values are not widely known in either Jewish or secular circles.

      • Kevin

         /  January 2, 2018

        Sounds good to me. The world could use more Jewish values like the importance of family, a strong work ethic, and generosity (at least in the US Jews give more money proportionally to charity than any other group and this is taking into account wealth), and family.

        • Gezza

           /  January 2, 2018

          He might possibly have a slight bias towards Israel & Judaism & actually believe there’s a Jaweh who gave Israel to the Israelites and stuff?

          Reckon you could be a convert to Jadaism, Kev? If not, why not? Out of interest.

          • Kevin

             /  January 2, 2018

            Nah, I’m agnostic. Either you believe in the biblical God or you don’t. Converting is hard work and can take years. With Islam you just have to recite about three lines. Helps explain why the number of Muslims is increasing at a much faster rate than the number of Jews. Also the child is Jewish only if the mother is Jewish as you can always be sure the baby is hers, unlike the father.

            • Blazer

               /  January 2, 2018

              yes speedy registration of new converts is a negelected issue in this business.Until efficiency is updated, to at least match the market leader I see a continuing deterioration in uptake and gross… revenues.

      • NOEL

         /  January 2, 2018

        Yeah saw World Values then chuckled when I read lower who’s values.
        So an individual chooses not to perform for her own reasons and the country is defamed.
        Take em to court.

  3. Tipene

     /  January 2, 2018

    This issue is bigger then Ella O’Connor.

    It’s NZ that has chosen this line of action.

    No real surprise when we elect a Govt that first lightly adopts an opinion, before firmly adhering to it.

    • “It’s NZ that has chosen this line of action.”

      I’m not aware of NZ playing any part in Lorde’s Israel gig decision.

      It’s disingenuous to connect Lorde’s decision with the new Zealand government’s consistent position on Jerusalem (along with the UN and most of the world) over a long time.

    • Blazer

       /  January 2, 2018

      a brief history of Israel…for those that are…interested.

  4. Gezza

     /  January 2, 2018

    Boteach wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed column on homosexuality that it is “akin to the prohibition against lighting fire on the Sabbath or eating bread during Passover; but contends that the Bible is not vague with regard to homosexuality – it stands in contravention to the divine will. He believes that the biggest threat to marriage doesn’t come from gay marriage, but heterosexual divorce. Rabbi Shmuley Boteach opposes the governments involvement in recognising marriage, but supports state sanctioned civil unions for all.[32][33][34]

    Boteach has opened a dialogue with Christians, and specifically with Messianic Jews, who are considered to be apostates by most Jews.[citation needed] In 2008 he debated with Michael Brown, a leader of the Messianic Jews, on whether belief in Jesus is compatible with Judaism,[35][36] and in his book Kosher Jesus he depicts Jesus as “a Jewish patriot murdered by Rome for his struggle on behalf of his people…”[37] These positions have drawn opposition from many in the orthodox establishment, particularly from within the Chabad sect to which Boteach belongs. Rabbi Yitzchak Schochet, a leading British rabbi and a rival of Boteach’s,[38] called Boteach’s attempts to reach out to Messianic Jews “self-delusional”,[39] and Rabbi Immanuel Schochet of Toronto, Yitzchak Schochet’s father, banned the book to Orthodox Jewish readers. “It is forbidden for anyone to buy or read this book,” he said in an interview.[40]

    Boteach is known for his flamboyance and self-promotion. In a comment he later described as only having been sarcastic,[26] he was reported as saying “God gave 10 commandments at Sinai, and the 11th commandment, which they expunged but which has come down orally, is ‘Thou shalt do anything for publicity and recognition.'”[41]

    Boteach is supportive of Israel, and critical of American policy towards the country. Boteach has argued that the Obama administration “bullied” Israel, arguing that U.S. Middle Eastern policy is “scandalous” and “disgusting”.[42] He is also supportive of Israeli settlements, including the Hebron settlement, the residents of which he characterizes as marked by a particular “warmth, friendliness and hospitality” and views as being “liberated from hatred.”[43]

    Boteach was criticized by a variety of Jewish organizations for an ad placed in the New York Times which read “Susan Rice has a blind spot: Genocide”, and that her action has “injected a degree of partisanship” that is “destructive of the fabric of the relationship” between the US and Israel. Rice had criticized Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for agreeing to speak to Congress about Iran’s nuclear program without coordinating with the Obama administration.[44] Boteach apologized quoting that the disagreement was over policy and he did not intend a personal attack.[45] Speaking to CNN, Boteach said the purpose of the ad was to bring attention to his perception that the United States government has ignored genocides in the past, and continues to do so.[46]

    Wikipedia

  5. sorethumb

     /  January 2, 2018

    Lorde should have stuck to the music and stayed out of politics. Playing in Israel tells us nothing about her views; not playing does.

    • Gezza

       /  January 2, 2018

      If you’re a muso I reckon the three things to know are:
      1. Don’t schedule a concert in Israel
      2. If you do, don’t cancel it – their PR machine & other Zionists will attack you & your (and even their own) country
      3. See 1 above.

      • PDB

         /  January 2, 2018

        If you are a ‘one-trick pony’ muso wanting MSM attention to slow down your impending irrelevance do all the above.

        • Gezza

           /  January 2, 2018

          She’s not a one trick pony. She’s been going strong for a while now, highly popular internationally with heaps of people a tad younger than you (even though I can’t entirely fathom why). I doubt this is going to harm her career. Might even win her some new fans.

        • duperez

           /  January 2, 2018

          When Lorde had a bit of publicity wth her first success a lot went into ‘Sonny Bill Williams mode’. Five years later, now that she has carved out a bit of a career,
          most of those who said she’d be a one hit wonder have shut up.

          And now I see “a ‘one-trick pony’ muso wanting MSM attention to slow down your impending irrelevance”.

          Is that jealousy about the fame and recognition? A sneer about the Israel decision?

        • phantom snowflake

           /  January 2, 2018

          On Metacritic.com, which aggregates the scores of critics (in this case 33 of them) her 2017 release “Melodrama” is rated third best album for the year. So that’s ‘two-trick pony’ then.

          • duperez

             /  January 2, 2018

            Music for movies = three 🎼 🙂

            • phantom snowflake

               /  January 2, 2018

              Yeah, plus many collaborations with other artists.

          • PDB

             /  January 2, 2018

            Lorde’s 2nd album ‘success’ tells us more about the current state of the music industry than anything else.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  January 2, 2018

              GOM much!! Her music isn’t to my tastes either, but her talent and passion are undeniable.

  6. adamsmith1922

     /  January 2, 2018

    Of course the ad is OTT. Yet it indicates that the issue is not dead and that collateral damage is possible to NZ.
    Furthermore it has been dispiriting to note the large number of anti semitic comments on many of the threads purporting to support Lorde.

    • Blazer

       /  January 2, 2018

      lets see some..

    • sorethumb

       /  January 2, 2018

      I don’t understand the left’s obsession with Israel. In their ideology it must represent a challenge. The way i see it is that Israel/Palestine = potential blood bath whereas they seem to believe in solutions? The same thing with Maori where when you push the left on the treaty etc their answer is just to do “more”.

      • Blazer

         /  January 2, 2018

        Israel has an obsession with itself…
        ‘Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu plans to grant $50 million to countries who promise to support Israel in the international arena.

        According to Israel News Company, Netanyahu’s idea is to set up a fund for a project called 50/50, in which 50 countries – mostly developing countries in Africa, Eastern Europe and Asia – will get $50 million each from Israel in exchange for diplomatic support.’…
        typical…’looks like we’re gonna have to …buy some friends’.

        • Gezza

           /  January 2, 2018

          Israel gets aid from America, so they can afford to buy other countries, especially if the US chips in too, which it probably will with Bibi in Jared’s ear & Jared in Ivanka’s & Trumpy’s.

      • duperez

         /  January 2, 2018

        It’s a bugger having people believe in solutions eh sorethumb?

      • phantom snowflake

         /  January 2, 2018

        It’s a tragedy how Zionism vs. Anti-semitism is splitting the Faaaaar Right, eh “sorethumb”??