Ghahraman on Iran

New Zealand MP Golriz Gharaman on the protests in Iran:

I hope desperately for democracy & human rights, including equality for women & minorities in Iran. While I 💚 the all the support from around the world, I hope for minimal outside interference. Comment by outsider politicians, including me, is unhelpful to the movement.

17 Comments

  1. David

     /  January 7, 2018

    Well that is just pathetic, Obama and Clinton decided not to say anything last time there were protests and the Ayatollahs brutally ended it and now she prioritises a swipe at Trump over calling out a brutal crackdown on Iranian protesters.
    She has some form in picking the wrong side this one and some mad logic, if no one says anything then the Iranians will just quietly get on with equality, human rights etc etc. !

    • Blazer

       /  January 7, 2018

      As if the U.S gives a damn about human rights in Iran.Iran is non compliant with U.S interests in the region and any opportunity to critique it is taken by the U.S.There are countless examples of despotic regimes that the U.S supported that have no regard for individual rights.You can start with… Saudi Arabia.

      • David

         /  January 7, 2018

        Read your history Blazer. Obama was the one who didnt care about human rights in Iran because he wanted a deal, that it turns out the deal was rubbish is immaterial but what you failed to notice was Trump condemning Irans actions against the protesters and Nikki Hailey is putting up a resolution to the UN security council so the world can join in the condemnation of the murder of protesters.
        When you let your hatred of someone with opposing political views to your own leave you standing on the side of Ayotollahs it may be time to take some time out for personal reflection.

        • Blazer

           /  January 7, 2018

          If your knowledge of history is so good ,refer to it.Try the Marcos regime in the Philipines if you can’t bring yourself to accept that Saudi Arabia has little regard for human rights ,but is a ‘friend’ of the..U.S.

          • David

             /  January 7, 2018

            I think you may be confused Blazer as the tweet and post was about Iran, I know that Clinton as secretary of state took donations from the Saudi,s and Billy Clinton ignored happenings in the Phillipines but no need to put the boot into them now.

            • Blazer

               /  January 7, 2018

              the tweet mentions democracy and human rights.And as you specifically mention Clinton and Obama the debate is not confined to Iran.U.S foreign policy has been consistent.You may have near drowned yourself in the George W kool aid that maintains that human rights and democracy needs to be introduced by death and destruction to ‘recalcitrant’ regimes.This what qualifies as a..paradox..a rather sick one.

  2. Patzcuaro

     /  January 7, 2018

    The kiss of death in Iran – US support

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  January 7, 2018

      The kiss of death in the Middle East is religious and sectarian fanaticism. Hatred of the US is just another facet of that fucked up belief system and culture.

      • Patzcuaro

         /  January 7, 2018

        American support for moderates is counter productive as it gives ammunition to the conservatives. Mistrust of the US is largely based on past experiences. Recent military interventions have achieved little, neither Iraq nor Afganistan are safer places than prior to the interventions,

        The problem in the Middle East is that conservatives have too much say in how the countries are run.

  3. Ray

     /  January 7, 2018

    A pity she doesn’t take her own advice.
    Sometimes less is more.

  4. David

     /  January 7, 2018

    Isn’t she a refuge from Iran? yet she won’t speak out against the government she fled from? This is beyond parody.

  5. PartisanZ

     /  January 7, 2018

    It does seem like a pathetic, unintelligent and pointless comment …

    It does seem like a pathetic, unintelligent and pointless comment to comment upon …

    • David

       /  January 7, 2018

      “It does seem like a pathetic, unintelligent and pointless comment to comment upon …”

      Bollocks. It tells you volumes about Ms.Ghahraman. Not commenting on it allows her to believe she is correct.

      • PartisanZ

         /  January 7, 2018

        But she is correct … She hopes for the same things I dare say you do David, namely “democracy & human rights, including equality for women & minorities in Iran” … ?

        Unless perhaps you want “death to all Islamic believers”?

        She loves the support the protesters are getting from all around the world. Don’t you?

        She hopes for minimal outside interference. You’d want that for internal ructions within New Zealand, wouldn’t you?

        • David

           /  January 7, 2018

          Nice crop of stawmen you have there…

          “democracy & human rights, including equality for women & minorities in Iran” … ?
          “Unless perhaps you want “death to all Islamic believers”?

          Go on, tell me how you balance the first of those without the second. Islamic believers do not value equality for women or gays, nor do they want democracy, or human rights. To demand such a think is to demand for the ‘death’ of Islamic belief.

          “She loves the support the protesters are getting from all around the world. Don’t you?”

          You don’t overthrow a despotic regime like that in Iran with warm feelings.

          “She hopes for minimal outside interference. You’d want that for internal ructions within New Zealand, wouldn’t you?”

          Nice little trick there, last time I checked NZ was not a despotic regime, we have free elections, as well as freedom of movement and many other things denied to people in Iran. Isn’t that EXACTLY why Ms.Ghahraman fled to NZ and claimed political refuge status?! If outside interference brings freedom to Iran, how exactly is she in any position to deny this to the people she left behind?

          Like I said, these comments speak volumes about her. She is not an ‘outside politician’, she is directly connected to this situation, yet she does not lift a finger.

          • Patzcuaro

             /  January 7, 2018

            How is outside intervention going to bring freedom to Iran, maybe like in Iraq? Part off the problem is persuading conservative rural men to share power with women. That doesn’t happen over night.

          • PartisanZ

             /  January 9, 2018

            … doesn’t happen overnight anywhere …

            @David – “last time I checked NZ was not a despotic regime … ”

            We have been though, on several occasions –

            “How were these two men [Police Commissioner John Cullen and Attorney General Alexander Herdman] entrusted with the task of organising the most vicious period of political repression in NZ’s history? How had the relationship between workers and employers deteriorated to the point where men like Cullen and Herdman felt justified in sanctioning the murder of their fellow citizens.

            Between 22 October and 29 December 1913, says Belich, ‘New Zealand came closer to class war than any other time in its history’. It is impossible not to be struck by the radicalism of the Specials [Massey’s Cossacks] …

            By their thirst for action, their ready acceptance of violence as a political tool and their passionate identification with the nation state, these Waikato farm-boys and their military minders betrayed all the symptoms of the political disease that was to so hideously disfigure the first half of the 20th century …

            Archibald Baxter’s inspiring memoir ‘I Shall Not Cease’ is recommended reading for anyone who still refuses to believe that a great many New Zealanders embraced fascism long before it had a name.” – Chris Trotter ‘NO LEFT TURN’