Jim Anderton 1938-2018

Jim Anderton, 2010.jpg2010

Jim Anderton had been unwell for some time. he was approaching 80 years old.

He had been influential in politics as President of the Labour Party from 1979 to 1984, then as an MP from 1984 to 2011, including as Deputy Prime Minister from 1999 to 2011.

 

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    • Bryce being rightly schooled by Darien Fenton. He was all over Twitter most inappropriately yesterday. Ambulance chasing, ghoulish behaviour imho.

      • Ray

         /  January 8, 2018

        Says Darien Fenton who was quite happy to dance on Margaret Thatcher’s grave.

  1. Blazer

     /  January 7, 2018

    A rare man.A courageous politician of principle who spent his life fighting for the downtrodden.Kiwi Bank a lasting legacy,despite National always trying to ‘kill’ it.

  2. Zedd

     /  January 7, 2018

    I attended a meeting at Otago Uni. (several years ago) where I challenge Anderton on his Zero-tolerance to cannabis reform (Nandor was also there)
    After I yelled out ‘If your so opposed to DRUGS.. why not re-prohibit the most harmful ones (Alcohol & Tobacco)’.. I was told to be quiet or get out.. I left !!

    BUT I will say “Rest in Peace” he wasn’t all bad..

    • Gezza

       /  January 7, 2018

      Good man, Zedd. You have to remember nobody’s perfect.

      (Mind you, the way Sir Alan carries on, you’d think he was if we didn’t all know better ! 😉 )

    • Corky

       /  January 7, 2018

      ”BUT I will say “Rest in Peace” he wasn’t all bad..”

      Very magnanimous of you. But could you say that about Trump?

      • Gezza

         /  January 7, 2018

        I’d be reasonably happy to. Probably it’d be the cheeseburgers that did him in.

      • NOEL

         /  January 7, 2018

        Has Trump died? Oh damn it was rhetorical!

      • Zedd

         /  January 7, 2018

        NO Corky..
        all I can say is “Dump Trump !!”.. but by the sound of it, hes doing enuf, to ‘see himself out’ 😀

  3. Alan Wilkinson

     /  January 7, 2018

    I spoke at an election meeting with him once. He was a shrewd character and knew how to avoid unnecessary trouble. We kind of wound up on the same side of the debate.

  4. Ray

     /  January 7, 2018

    The Labour MPs I know said he was impossible to work with, it was “my way or the highway” and it is hard to forgive his position on suicide (secrecy) which doesn’t seem to have stemmed the problem.
    He did live by his principals and as Party President certainly gave Labour a great chance to win and govern.

    Like all of us a mixture, it will really be interesting to see how history judges him.

  5. Kitty Catkin

     /  January 7, 2018

    I wonder why hardly anyone dies-they nearly all pass away. I insisted that my husband’s death notice said that he died, as he disliked passed away and other euphemisms. The person is no less dead if they ‘pass away’.

    • Blazer

       /  January 7, 2018

      you could make that argument about all euphemisms…whats your point?

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  January 7, 2018

        That saying that someone has passed away is a euphemism and that they are just as dead as if they are said to have died, of course.

        • If you believe that death is not the end, “pass away” is perfectly appropriate. You have passed from one state of being to another, and your soul has separated from your body. It’s not a euphemism, merely descriptive of what many people believe is happening in death.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  January 8, 2018

            That would be passing on, surely.

            My husband was Eastern Orthodox and he heartily disliked ‘pass away’. I put ‘died’ in his death notices. The body HAS died.

  6. Corky

     /  January 7, 2018

    A hard bitten vicious old school socialist. Comparing the current crop of socialists to Jim is an embarrassing exercise.

    I used to love listening to Willie Jackson regale us with tales of Jim from his Alliance days. Apparently Jim could strip paint with his acid tongue. And like Trump, there was only one way of doing something…his way.

    Looking forward to seeing some old faces rolled out on the news tonight. I wonder how Sandra Lee has aged?

    I can’t say I had anything in common with Jim. But his unbelievable bad luck re the Christchurch mayoralty race taught me it really ain’t over tell the fat lady squawks.

  7. I couldn’t think of anything nice to say about him while he was alive, so I won’t be a hypocrite by trying to start now. He was on the wrong side of pretty much every political debate I can think of, and nobody who knew him properly stayed friends with him. A miserable old man who won’t be missed. May God have mercy on his soul.

    • Blazer

       /  January 7, 2018

      why bother posting this drivel…at all.

    • Gezza

       /  January 7, 2018

      May God have mercy on his soul

      Just pray that your God delusion is eventually cured and that he’s as unreal as Santa & the elves. After that little dump on Jim you might be spending a little time in Purgers if he’s not!

      • Why? I’m being honest. He was an arsehole who pursued shitty policies that made New Zealand a worse place to live. I won’t give a nice eulogy to someone like that.

        And there’s no such place as purgatory.

        • Blazer

           /  January 7, 2018

          well lets hear the shitty policies… then.

          • Again, like I said, you could literally name any issue and he was on the wrong side. From troops in Iraq, to the MED, to Kiwibank, to the tax reforms of the ’80s, just for starters. A rotten man who fortunately didn’t win a lot of the fights he started.

            • Blazer

               /  January 7, 2018

              seems that people that worked with him and those that really knew him ,think different.You have N.F.I.

            • There’s a pretty long list of people out there who have fallen out with Jim Anderton over the years, Blazer. Remember, this is the fellow who got shunted out of two political parties, including the one he founded himself. No, I didn’t know him personally, but there are a lot of people out there who did who have told us what a prick he was.

            • Blazer

               /  January 7, 2018

              you didn’t know him and seek to disrepect him through hearsay.You should be ashamed of…yourself.

            • Don’t be daft, he was a public figure for the course of my entire life, and I am quite happy to judge his character on that basis. Nothing to be ashamed of in that. I both disagreed with his politics, and disliked the way he advocated for them. There’s nothing positive I can say about him, save that he was on the losing side most of the time, thank God.

            • Blazer

               /  January 7, 2018

              so what NZ politician do you admire… then?

            • Ray

               /  January 7, 2018

              Let us not forget her forced Helen Clark to get married (much against her personal wishes) just for the look of the thing.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  January 7, 2018

              Ray, I’m happy to be the one to break it to you that Wishart is a satirist.

            • Not often that I’m given to quote Cameron Slater approvingly, but this kind of sums up my point:

              “What I am finding amusing is all the people who couldn’t tell me quick enough what a complete prick Anderton was all now waxing lyrical about him in death.”

              And there’s the rub. Maybe he was indeed a lovely fellow in his private life, but I, and many others, never saw that side of him. Like I say, I wish him God’s mercy, but I won’t pretend opinions about him in death that I never felt for him while he was alive.

            • Gezza

               /  January 8, 2018

              And there’s no such place as purgatory.
              I know, blair. It’s as mythical as heaven & hell.

              But as you haven’t clicked yet, you might want to review & think about some of these verses from that book of history & myths.
              https://www.openbible.info/topics/slander

            • Gezza

               /  January 8, 2018

              Let us not forget her forced Helen Clark to get married (much against her personal wishes) just for the look of the thing.

              Come off the the grass Ray. Sounds like pure made up gossip. Got a reliable source for that claim?

  8. duperez

     /  January 7, 2018

    The infinite riddles of life and death…

    Like the downticks: Because this quotes RNZ? Because it quotes Prime Minister Ardern? Because Anderton is described as a ‘towering figure in the Labour movement?’ Because he was a towering figure in the Labour movement?

  9. Blazer

     /  January 7, 2018

    National have no leaders to be proud of.The best they can come up with is Holyoake,an uninspiring,pompous, status quo bland politician when NZ had the highest living standards in…the world.

    • Are you serious? Anderson was not only NOT a saint, but he was widely despised for being politically divisive. How much of his pugilistic approach to politics was about being right, how much about wanting to be in charge as opposed to doing the good thing for all New Zealanders?

      Like most politicians he craved status, personal accolades and endorsement. Making him out to be a head and shoulders stand out in a sea of similar men is delusional.

      • Blazer

         /  January 8, 2018

        and your National pick…is??p.s…Anderton was consistent and principled in his quest to make NZ better for ALL…NZ’ers.He was a successful businessman,who did not need …politics.

        • This is NOT about National. You need to ditch your constant whataboutism. It’s dull and inappropriate

          • Blazer

             /  January 8, 2018

            this is about a Labour leader ,an accomplished politician that you and others seek to disparage.My so called ‘whataboutism’ is your typical reaction when you’re stuck…for an..answer.

            • PDB

               /  January 8, 2018

              Any National leader who has gone on to become PM has done far more than Anderton for a start.

              Considering the amount of time Anderton was hanging around doing bugger all in parliament a better comparison is that other old timer Winston who we can also say has easily achieved more than Anderton – and considering how many years that has taken Winston that is bugger all as well.

          • Gezza

             /  January 8, 2018

            Blazer’s got a point there trav. Nothing wrong with asking for a comparison in your party.

  10. Ray

     /  January 8, 2018

    Regarding Miss Clark’s wedding
    “I felt really compromised. I think legal marriage is unnecessary and I would not have formalised the relationship [with husband Peter Davis] except for going into Parliament. I have always railed against it privately.”

    And as for a happy wedding day – forget it. Retired political studies lecturer Ruth Butterworth, a long time friend of Clark’s, is quoted in Brian Edwards PR-piece, Helen, remembering the black mood at the “wedding”.
    Virginia Meyer “Head and Shoulders”

    • Gezza

       /  January 8, 2018

      Fair enuf. Might well be true Anderson was one of those who pressured Helen to marry Peter. I’ve since read that the wedding even took place at Jim Anderson’s home.

    • Blazer

       /  January 8, 2018

      Who. .cares?