Open Forum – Wednesday

10 January 2018

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54 Comments

  1. Corky

     /  January 10, 2018

    More rahui’s across the country then you can poke a stick at. Makes you wonder about legalities when people are ordered off a beach.

    • Blazer

       /  January 10, 2018

      put some clothes on…next time.

      • Corky

         /  January 10, 2018

        ?

        • Gezza

           /  January 10, 2018

          There shouldn’t be an apostrophe in rahuis.

          • PartisanZ

             /  January 10, 2018

            There shouldn’t be an ‘s’ on rahui … as Corky, by his own admission, must very well know …

            • Gezza

               /  January 10, 2018

              If you’re using English, you can perfectly validly add an s to pluralise rahui. We borrow & use words from other languages under English grammatical conventions.

              If he used te reo Maori I imagine we would need to identify it as plural from either the context or from a preceding nga.

            • PartisanZ

               /  January 10, 2018

              So if I’m Maori and I’m using the foreign language English, you won’t correct me if I use a singular word where grammatically there ‘should’ be a plural … ???

              That seem a bit to believe difficult …

            • Gezza

               /  January 10, 2018

              There should be an s after seem.

              No I wouldn’t correct you if you used a singular word for multiple rahui when speaking English if it was clear from the context that you were speaking about several rahuis.

              That’s one of the many good things about English. It’s highly adaptable. It can import both a word and a convention as to plural usage from another language. What I am telling you is that either is correct.

            • robertguyton

               /  January 10, 2018

              If it has “nga” in front, it has no “s”.

      • robertguyton

         /  January 10, 2018

        🙂

        • Corky

           /  January 10, 2018

          I will back my ‘baggies’ against your budgie smuggles anyday…

          • robertguyton

             /  January 10, 2018

            Speedos

            • Corky

               /  January 10, 2018

              Lets not quibble. The shock factor remains the same.

          • robertguyton

             /  January 10, 2018

            * smugglers. and the degree of shock depends on the budgie.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 10, 2018

              I can’t imagine many people pronouncing restaurants, bistros, garages, chateaus and boutiques as if there was no s on the end.

              Nor have I yet to hear the plural of circus-circi, pronounced kir-ky-used, or anyone talking about a ‘kirkus’.

              As many Maori people I talk to say Maoris, tuis etc, I think that one can be too precious about this.

    • PartisanZ

       /  January 10, 2018

      WHAT IF … I mean just hypothesizing … various phenomenon such as highway ‘Black Spots’ and ‘High Crash Zones’ occur because some form of proper spiritual observance – whatever that may be – hasn’t happened after one death, so more and more keep occurring … piling up the negative spiritual energy … attracting ever more ‘accidents’ … ???

      AND WHAT IF … on top of that … justice is often not served repeatedly in situations which should and can really only be called “homocide by motor vehicle” … ???

      • Gezza

         /  January 10, 2018

        What if proper spiritual observances every Sunday prevented wars earthquakes building collapses aircraft and vehicle accidents shark attacks rapes priests abusing children volcanic eruptions pimples farting in lifts and Katie Bradford from wearing jackets too small from her superstructure?

        If some form of proper spiritual observance worked to prevent future tragedies, after one tragedy, then I’d be all for it unless, that proper spiritual observance involves human sacrifice or self flagellation … IF there was any shred of credible evidence it did work.

        The evidence, after millennia, is Zero.

        • Gezza

           /  January 10, 2018

          But having said that, I would respect a rahui put in place after an event like this as a mark of respect for the departed.

          • PartisanZ

             /  January 10, 2018

            In which case you appear to believe rahui is a form of appropriate spiritual observance …?

            ‘Spiritual’ isn’t some ethereal, out-of-reach thing, its common everyday practice like “respect for the departed”.

            Also, what sort of evidence would prove that “proper spiritual observance” did work?

            “By definition, there was no wars before empires or states were created, so, the most peaceful period was probably before history as such started.”

            https://www.quora.com/What-was-the-most-peaceful-time-in-human-history

            What we stupidly call “pre-history” is the very time when people practiced “proper spiritual observance”

          • PartisanZ

             /  January 10, 2018

            @Gezza – “What if proper spiritual observances every Sunday prevented …”

            Gezza, I think you know me well enough to know I would never refer to “Church doctrines inimical to life” as proper spiritual observances …

          • Gezza

             /  January 10, 2018

            In which case you appear to believe rahui is a form of appropriate spiritual observance …? ‘Spiritual’ isn’t some ethereal, out-of-reach thing, its common everyday practice like “respect for the departed”.

            What do you mean by ‘spiritual’?

            Also, what sort of evidence would prove that “proper spiritual observance” did work?

            Verifiable evidence that whatever the ‘proper spiritual observance’ was intended to do or prevent was actually done or prevented.

            Like, those many poor religious parents who pray on their own and in church that their sons will come home safe from war & then have to bury their remains in Arlington or wherever clearly show that it doesn’t work in their case.

            “By definition, there was no wars before empires or states were created, so, the most peaceful period was probably before history as such started.”

            There’s no solid evidence for that statement, & some archaeological evidence of primitive people having been probably murdered.

            I expect that early small-village societies functioned cooperatively 99% but it’s highly likely that there were violent disputes with other village groups or individuals from time to time. Human ape nature’s not that far different from the other apes.

            https://www.quora.com/What-was-the-most-peaceful-time-in-human-history

            What we stupidly call “pre-history” is the very time when people practiced “proper spiritual observance”

            Pre-history would rule out oral histories too, imo. So you know this, how?

            • PartisanZ

               /  January 10, 2018

              Don’t feel like playing point-by-point one-upmanship with you today Gezza, my apologies if I started it …

              Just two responses @ Gezza – “Pre-history would rule out oral histories too, imo. So you know this, how?”

              I’m not sure pre-history does rule out oral histories? Many consider indigenous peoples like Maori and American Indians ‘pre-historic’, don’t they, and we know these indigenous cultures by their oral histories …?

              Their history is myth and legend while ours attempts to be ‘fact’?

              Aside from that, evidence from fossils, archeological diggings and discoveries like cave paintings etc …

              @Gezza – “What do you mean by spiritual?”

              I already answered that …. I mean, “respect for the departed” …

              There’s a great deal about spirituality in those two words, ‘respect’ and ‘departed’ … Whereabouts in your body do you ‘feel’ this respect?

              Departed what and to where?

      • Gezza

         /  January 10, 2018

        @ PZ

        For someone who doesn’t feel like “playing point by point one upmanship” you’re certainly conveying the opposite impression. So, just reponding to a couple of points & questions of yours …

        I’m not sure pre-history does rule out oral histories? Many consider indigenous peoples like Maori and American Indians ‘pre-historic’, don’t they, and we know these indigenous cultures by their oral histories …?
        Their history is myth and legend while ours attempts to be ‘fact’?

        Excellent. Oral histories all seem to contain battles, murders, treachery & conflict. Even the mythical ones obviously were inspired by the not always peaceful reality of the time.

        Aside from that, evidence from fossils, archeological diggings and discoveries like cave paintings etc …
        Look harder. You’ll find there are weapons & depictions of battles & fights & bodies with skulls apparently deliberately damaged, arrowheads embedded in tissue, bones with likely weapon damage, corpses with ligatures still around their necks etc.

        @Gezza – “What do you mean by spiritual?”
        I already answered that …. I mean, “respect for the departed” …
        There’s a great deal about spirituality in those two words, ‘respect’ and ‘departed’ …
        Whereabouts in your body do you ‘feel’ this respect?

        In my head, in both the emotional & intellectual centres. When someone I love dies I also feel sadness there too but the ache of missing them and/or longing for them is unmistakably felt in my chest. Strong emotions like love also feel centred there. Which is why people talk about their heart being stolen, broken etc. In te ngahere or near wai I feel some strange energy all thru me.

        Departed what and to where?
        “He’s dead, Jim”. (Dr McCoy, Star Trek)
        ……………………………………………………………..

        spiritual – definition
        adjective
        1. relating to or affecting the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things.”I’m responsible for his spiritual welfare”
        synonyms:
        non-material, inner, psychic, psychical, psychological; incorporeal, intangible, other-worldly, unworldly, ethereal; transcendent, mystic, mystical, numinous, metaphysical; rare extramundane, immaterial “the spiritual dimension of human experience”

        2. relating to religion or religious belief. “the country’s spiritual leader”
        synonyms:
        religious, sacred, divine, holy, non-secular, church, churchly, ecclesiastic, devotional”spiritual music”
        …………………………………………………………….
I think you have a selective, utopian fantasy idea of what you call “pre-history” life was like, & wonder why on earth you are even going down this track of pretending it was all flowers, streams, peace & tranquility which is a dead end for your argument. Whatever it is.

        • PartisanZ

           /  January 10, 2018

          Pre-historic and ancient indigenous skirmishes and even battles were not ‘war’ as we have understood its meaning since perhaps ancient Greek or ancient Chinese times … that’s all I’m saying …

          And many people only think of ‘history’ as Western history anyway. They think, for instance, that Captain James Cook ‘discovered’ New Zealand FFS.

          Sorry you can’t tar me with your “selective utopian fantasy” brush today dear chap.

          • Gezza

             /  January 10, 2018

            I’ve moved on after scrolling up & seeing how in God’s name we ended up arguing about this nonsense & it seemed to have all come from Corky’s apostrophe.

            • PartisanZ

               /  January 10, 2018

              Kind of …

              I just wonder, you know, for instance, whether your Dole & Bonita bananas carry not only biological residue of the chemicals sprayed on them and their irradiated ripening processes, but also any ‘spiritual residue’ of the exploitation, child-labour, sickness and death among the poverty stricken, indentured peasant workers who live in the plantations …

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_plantation#Labor_conditions

              Read it and ‘peel’ …

            • Gezza

               /  January 10, 2018

              No I don’t think they do, but my latest lot of bobby bananas are getting spotty & going off quicker than I hoped. Maybe they’d have stayed fresher if they’d had hydrogenated water. Hard to say. Anyway I think I’ll leave it here because the path seems to be leading to some strange destination again. 👍🏼

  2. Alan Wilkinson

     /  January 10, 2018

    Religious beliefs must not be imposed on others. That is a fundamental human right.

    Rahui are necessarily bounded by ownership and belief boundaries.

  3. robertguyton

     /  January 10, 2018

    “What we stupidly call “pre-history” is the very time when people practiced “proper spiritual observance”

    Pre-history would rule out oral histories too, imo. So you know this, how?”
    Ummm – pyramids ?

    • Gezza

       /  January 10, 2018

      Obviously you are unaware of the glyph history of the Egyptian ones.
      And pyramids themselves are a historical record.

      • robertguyton

         /  January 10, 2018

        Obviously. Glyphs? On the interior walls of pyramids? Get away!

  4. lurcher1948

     /  January 10, 2018

    Watched the tv news last night featuring Australian gay marriage and then watched two blokes having a real tongue kiss.I wish there had been a warning given as my beer didn’t taste so good after watch all the man-man passion…

    • Corky

       /  January 10, 2018

      Toughen up, you wimp. This is bread and butter support for the leftie lifestyle. Don’t forget the Left is a broad-church( until it doesn’t suit them).

      • Blazer

         /  January 11, 2018

        is it your position that the right does not have its share of…homo’s?

  5. Corky

     /  January 10, 2018

    Anyone want to hazard a guess regarding the perpetrators? I wonder if they know what a rahui is? Or do they care?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/100305946/court-appearances-likely-for-16-people-caught-poaching-from-marine-reserve

    • Gezza

       /  January 10, 2018

      My guess would be they’re poachers. Dunno if there’s a rahui there, the article doesn’t say.
      Who cares? They got caught.

    • Corky

       /  January 10, 2018

      Perpetrator(s)

      noun

      A person who perpetrates, or commits, an illegal, criminal, or evil act:

  6. Does anyone remember when we had balls,and no wars and we could have been in space and does anyone remember the X15 the forerunner to space, when men were men and women still kept us in our place…

    • lurcher1948

       /  January 10, 2018

      This is the background singer YES i checked him out,i make the effort for the X15 post

    • lurcher1948

       /  January 10, 2018

      When men were men and sheep were scared…

  7. Griff

     /  January 10, 2018