Open Forum – Thursday

11 January 2018

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48 Comments

  1. Corky

     /  January 11, 2018

    Is Saudi Arabia facing an existential crisis?

    1- Weak oil price are squeezing the national budget.
    2- Spending cuts are in the pipeline to counter a budget deficit.
    3- Saudi Arabia is seeking over 70 billion in loans to shore up state coffers.
    4- Cigarette taxes have been implemented ( welcome brothers, to our life).
    5- Domestic petrol prices have increased 80 %. ( we do butter instead).

    All these headlines are ho-hum for Western nations, but they are big news for Saudi Arabia.
    The nations populace have been mollycoddled during previous decades so they wont take kindly to these impositions. Allowing women to drive certainly wont remedy this situation.

    Naturally the Sharks are starting to circle. Interesting times ahead.

    • Blazer

       /  January 11, 2018

      who will cry if Saudi Arabia goes down the gurgler….no one I can think ..of.

      • Corky

         /  January 11, 2018

        Great holiday destination provided you don’t proclaim your Christianity. America created modern Saudi Arabia, so maybe they’d shed a tear for their offspring. Maybe that conspiracy theory about hundreds of millions in cash being handed over while President Trumpy was visiting, may not be a conspiracy theory after all?

        • Gezza

           /  January 11, 2018

          All good points well made. Saudis are an appalling regime. Add to their economic solutions the novel one of simply arresting wealthy businessmen & royal competitors & forcing them to hand over millions to get out of prison.

      • Conspiratoor

         /  January 11, 2018

        It wont happen but I get the sentiment blazer. In a world of non-contributing parasites, these tribal nomads stand alone …nothing to offer but the oil under their feet

  2. sorethumb

     /  January 11, 2018

    Trigger warning
    A collective of 100 French women including film star Catherine Deneuve have signed an open letter defending men’s “freedom to pester” women, sparking an angry response from a group of feminist activists.
    http://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/10/europe/catherine-deneuve-france-letter-metoo-intl/index.html

    • Corky

       /  January 11, 2018

      Catherine Deneuve… the epitome of a French woman. Only French women would write such a letter. Butch, unfeminine feminists shouldn’t be complaining. No male would harass them.

      • sorethumb

         /  January 11, 2018

        Not much of a good time to be had here?

        • sorethumb

           /  January 11, 2018

          Old boilers

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  January 11, 2018

            How bloody sexist-I wonder if you are gorgeous young studs.

            She didn’t, of course, say that.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 11, 2018

              Need I say that ‘freedom to pester’ is a rewording of what was actually said, and a distortion ? She was making the point that clumsy flirting should in no way be classed with sexual violence, and that men should not lose their jobs because of a word or harmless touch. She makes the point that the current puritanism is a threat to sexual freedom.

              In no way was Catherine Deneuve saying that pestering was all right.

              The distorted phrase was obviously done with malicious intent.

              Calling women ‘old boilers’ is grossly insulting.So are your puerile remarks about them. How pathetic it sounds when adult men talk like this.

          • Blazer

             /  January 11, 2018

            don’t you mean…’broilers’?

        • Conspiratoor

           /  January 11, 2018

          A happy looking lot

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  January 11, 2018

            A very clever and successful lot-unlike (I suspect) their detractors.

            Needless to say that some people still either don’t or won’t understand-like the young woman who thinks that these women are trivialising sexual violence and rape when they were very specific about it being a crime.

  3. robertguyton

     /  January 11, 2018

    Funny from The Standard
    “Judith Collins has attempted to steal the limelight in a traditionally slow political period by announcing a new campaign for the National Party. Not against climate change or child poverty or our failing health systems or the housing crisis or …

    But against the Government’s indifference to Roads of National Significance.

    The roads are something of a misnomer. They should be called Roads of National Party Significance or RONPAs. Because their significance is purely political.”

    • Gezza

       /  January 11, 2018

      Don’t remember them from when I used to visit TS regularly. Must be relatively new. How long has Funny being posting there?

      • robertguyton

         /  January 11, 2018

        New guy, getting a great reception: the regulars are rolling in the aisles!

        • Gezza

           /  January 11, 2018

          Christ. Have TS got a liquor licence now? 😮

          • robertguyton

             /  January 11, 2018

            “https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/be-rolling-in-the-aisles”
            I’ve seen better from you, Gezza, much better. Perhaps I’m not feeding you good enough material…

  4. robertguyton

     /  January 11, 2018

    Plus..
    “The first bunch of RONS were bad enough. But the latest bunch really give the impression that National was scraping the bottom of a very deep barrel.

    For instance the East West Link in Auckland had the unusual feature that per kilometre it was going to be the most expensive motorway ever. A corruption plagued Russian highway would have been relegated into second place.”

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  January 11, 2018

      NZTA is incompetent and on top of that has to deal with the RMA which makes doing anything next to impossible and therefore horrendously expensive. It took three years of actual construction and heavens knows how long of paper pushing before that to realign a kilometre of rural road through gentle rolling country at Akerama. Of course a city motorway project in our regulatory and mismanagement environment is going to be a joke. That’s why our infrastructure is 50 years behind the times with accident rates to match.

  5. Alan Wilkinson

     /  January 11, 2018

    This is an interesting analysis of student political indoctrination. In short, less work and effort => more Lefty politics:
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/01/10/students-more-liberal-but-its-not-because-their-professors-james-piereson-naomi-riley-column/1012622001/

    • sorethumb

       /  January 11, 2018

      This outfit should be knocked on the head
      https://www.hrc.co.nz/

      • sorethumb

         /  January 11, 2018

        I mean they are unhinged in the sense of being outside mainstream society, working on society. That is only good if higher beings are involved [really higher beings, not left-wing twits]

        • phantom snowflake

           /  January 11, 2018

          The “White Nationalism” which you promote is well outside the mainstream of NZ society, making you…UNHINGED!!

          • sorethumb

             /  January 11, 2018

            Define “White Nationalism”?

            • phantom snowflake

               /  January 11, 2018

              Define it yourself, it’s your trip. But you, calling out the Human Rights Commission for being “outside mainstream society” is such a dick move given your positioning on the political spectrum!

    • sorethumb

       /  January 11, 2018

      Johnathon Haidt and Jordan Peterson claim scientific thinking isn’t natural for humans but primordial religious thinking is; the new regime of diversity has created a vacuum and a rush of primordial thinking has ensued.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IBegL_V6AA [from 36:00]

  6. lurcher1948

     /  January 11, 2018


    enjoy

  7. sorethumb

     /  January 11, 2018

    Ardern ‘not comfortable’ with Chinese-sounding names controversy, offers apology to migrants
    She said Labour was trying to show that the Government had not acted on the issue of property speculation by overseas, non-resident buyers.

    “We thought that was wrong. We maintained that that’s wrong. We have a policy on that.

    “But we certainly didn’t want to see any of our community here in New Zealand feeling targeted as a consequence of raising that issue.

    Ardern did not go as far as saying it was racist.

    “If anyone felt that it was, then of course we would apologise for that. But that was not our intent.”

    Prime Minister Bill English said today that it was “a disgraceful episode” and that Labour had “never really retracted from it”.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11904423

    90% of Christchurch’s motels are owned by Chinese but we aren’t supposed to see anything significant in that. We are supposed to be blind to ethnicity. What about them though?

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  January 11, 2018

      Blind to ethnicity ??? Who said that ? It’s obvious that one of the local GPs is African (hint-skin colour) and a local businessman is Chinese….and so on.

      Even if 90% of Christchurch motels ARE Chinese-owned, how do you know that these people are new migrants ? Who cares, anyway ? I am more interested in what the motel is like than in who owns it.

  8. Blazer

     /  January 11, 2018

    most people know its the truth,in Canada and Australia they don’t pussyfoot ..around.English is a fine one to talk,calling kiwi youth lazy,druggies.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  January 11, 2018

      sighhhhh….he did not say that all Kiwi young people were lazy druggies.

      • sorethumb

         /  January 11, 2018

        As PM he has responsibility for all New Zealanders (fat, thin, dumb and smart). You can’t just forget the no hopers (wipe them off) replacing them with bright and shiny migrants while you dangle a carrot (residency) in front of them.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  January 15, 2018

          There;’s a limit to what any PM can do. And that doesn’t mean that he said that all young Kiwis were no-hopers.

  9. jh

     /  January 11, 2018

    Strategic essentialism
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_essentialism
    Notice how Pakeha are not indigenous (they pull apart our roots, chop them up ) but Maori are despite British ancestry.

    • Gezza

       /  January 11, 2018

      Leaving you to PZ on this one. You want to debate isms – he’s ya man!

    • phantom snowflake

       /  January 11, 2018

      Hi “jh”. Your views, areas of interest and commenting style make you indistinguishable from “sorethumb”. Can you confirm that you are one and the same??

      • sorethumb

         /  January 11, 2018

        So what?

        • Please note that being able to comment anonymously here using a pseudonym is a privilege. One person using more than one pseudonym is an abuse of that privilege.

          It’s unfair on other commenters, and it makes things harder for me. Multiple pseudonyms have been used maliciously here in the past (to the extent of planting ‘evidence’ that was then used in legal action against me) so raises red flags.

          I’m aware that some some people use different pseudonyms in different forums, and may sometimes inadvertently use the wrong one here. Sometimes people also mistype their pseudonym or type the wrong thing (eg email name) into the name field. If I think it is accidental I let it go.

          But the deliberate use of multiple pseudonyms is one site rule I generally enforce, so please don’t do it.

          • sorethumb

             /  January 12, 2018

            It isn’t deliberate it is just that (somehow) I have two word press accounts. Or one is discuss and one is wordpress. jh works on my mobile.

    • sorethumb

       /  January 11, 2018

      The point is that the weaponizing of the Marxists consisted of taking over institutions and spreading ideology and while some people got on with life (farming, engineering or whatever) the Marxists have been at work. Strategic essentialism is a good example. The Marxists have managed to institutionalise their ideologies and they are like cancers (growing on state resources).

      • Blazer

         /  January 12, 2018

        how melodramatic of you…check for reds under your bed every morning …do you?