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22 Comments

  1. Ray

     /  January 11, 2018

    “Like if, let’s say, someone repeatedly claimed someone else was born outside the United States when they were in fact born in Hawaii, @realDonaldTrump? Like that?

  2. Trump’s claims of voter fraud have fizzled out.

    • I can’t see any easy answer, but there has to be a way to police and reduce at least some of the bullshit statements – and promises – in the lead up to elections. What we are currently subjected to, including NZ, can only produce a rotten base on which to build our government.

      • Griff

         /  January 11, 2018

        It’s important to know where candidates for president are getting their ideas. Where do these ideas come from, who funds them and who is shaping our political discussion? These are all questions that are important to a healthy democracy. David Brock

        • NOEL

           /  January 11, 2018

          Nah just accept that Governments in power offer bribes to be enacted only if they are re elected and Opposition parties offer the world prior to been elected.

      • Gezza

         /  January 11, 2018

        You’d get into tricky territory changing the law to require the courts to rule on whether promises made during elections in an MMP environment were or are false. They have neither the time nor capacity to chase down, evaluate & rule on such matters. The best solution to that problem will always be a free press doing its job properly imo.

        The Americans, & especially people like Trump, could be among the first to end up taken to Court for their own false or defamatory utterances if changes were made to US law. As Ray notes above, for example. Just another Trump distraction or brain fart.

  3. Gezza

     /  January 11, 2018

    I crashed early last night & woke up at 3am. Aljaz tv had a boring doco I’ve seen before on so I decided to look for anything interesting to watch until the next sleep wave on Youtube & discovered you can watch Fox News live. Also that you can watch all the day’s segments from their various commentator hosts during the day. So I watched several of those.

    The big news of the day for all of was Trump allowing the cameras to film him running an hour long bipartisan meeting with Democrats, Republicans & border, immigration & security agency representatives to discuss immigration, border security, building The Wall, & DACA.

    It was interesting. He stated that with regard to immigration & border control he would sign whatever was agreed & put in front of him, because he believed there was common agreement among the parties on the need for urgent changes to be made to better US border & immigration control, introduce a more merit based immigration selection system & get rid of the lottery mechanism currently used.

    He told them that he trusted their judgement & professionalism & that they collectively had the skill to come up with agreed legislation to achieve these objectives.

    Much was made by the different Fox Anchors of Trump being better informed & more collegial in meetings than he is commonly presented as by other news outlets (although from the carefully selected exerpted clips they all showed I didn’t see much evidence of him being particularly well informed about some things, and as one of their on screen commenters later said it could well have been just for show & who knows what might he decide & tweet about that said totally different or at odds with his statements there the next day, or next week.)

    The best anchor/commentator was Jake Tapper, who seems more balanced, & better informed on issues than the others, & who I noted was pretty courteous & polite with his on screen interviewees. One thing he did do which I found interesting was show some news clips of various Democrats including Obama & Schumer advocating for the exact same policies Trump’s proposing when they were in government, illustrating their utter hypocrisy on these issues once they realised they needed immigrant votes.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  January 11, 2018

      I need a lie down. Balanced commentary on Trumpy from G is a shock too much for a hot day.

      • Gezza

         /  January 11, 2018

        I’ve always said I’m conflicted by Trump, Alan. I’m unimpressed with most of the principal Republicans & Democrats, & the way their politicians all seem to be bought by sponsors. And also with Trump’s ignorance & propensity for constantly generating or promoting fake news.

        Some of Fox’s anchors seemed to be outright alt righties, like Hannity. One of those, Lou somebody or other I think it was, got stuck in to Trump – & also some Republican rep – for saying they sympathised with the situation of some illegal migrants who were contributing to the US, & indicating that if agreement could be reached on border control & immigration improvements they were prepared to look at creating path to citizenship for some of the 11 million illegals. He was spewing that this was totally contrary to Trump’s stumping speeches & betrayed his “base”.

        • Blazer

           /  January 11, 2018

          don’t mind Tucker…the rest are..laughable.

          • Gezza

             /  January 11, 2018

            Yeah, I agree with that from the others I watched before I mercifully dozed off again.

          • Gezza

             /  January 11, 2018

            I’ll have a look later to see if the whole hour’s meeting is on YouTube. If it is I’ll watch it because I am prepared to concede that Trump is achieving more than he’s given credit for in terms of implementing changes he intended, & what I saw of the excerpts of that meeting indicated he was more amenable to at least hearing opposing viewpoints.

            He was adamant about the need for the wall, because he said he’d listened to ICE reps & they’d said that in some places one was truly needed, where there were no natural barriers & where illegal crossings were a major problem. He was definitely not advocating a solid wall the entire length of the Southern border. He cited Israel as an example of one that works.

            The other thing that was interesting was that he wasn’t dominating the discussion in the selections that were shown on Fox. People spoke freely & were allowed to have their say. As I say, I’d like to watch the whole thing. I dunno if the msm has given much coverage to it. There may be other parts of the meeting where he was different.

            • Gezza

               /  January 11, 2018

              Trump seemed be doing what he said he does. Setting out bottom lines, explaining why, & looking at where it might be possible to make a deal.

  4. Gezza

     /  January 11, 2018
    • Gezza

       /  January 11, 2018

      “WATCH: President Trump holds bipartisan immigration meeting”

      • Gezza

         /  January 11, 2018

        Oh, sorry that seems to be after the meeting, or before it.

        • Gezza

           /  January 11, 2018

          Oops … embarrassment … that IS the meeting. I warched something else separately on YouTube by mistake.

      • Gezza

         /  January 11, 2018

        Ok, I’ve watched it now. Pretty winceable stuff watching all the Republicans begin their contributions with the obsequious fawning that Trumpy lapped up. Heavily stacked with Goppies, seemed to only a couple of Dems, Weinstein included, & she was very obviously wary.

        • Gezza

           /  January 11, 2018

          Trumpy made one intriguing observation towards the end, before the Press were asked to leave.

          He lamented that the Democrat/Republican divide in US politics has become so acrimonious over the years, talking about how several decades decades back congress members were more aware that they were all there to serve the American people & that it was common once for them to occasionally socialise togther.

          He asks when was the last time a Republican took a Democrat out for dinner or vice versa? It actually made an impact, there’s a silence for a while. Then he turned to a Democrat & asked him when was the last time he did this. A Republican said he was actually having dinner this week with a Democrat governor, & had negotiated that he was paying. It was meant as a joke. The Dem Trump had spoken to didn’t see it that way and grumped how could that be negotiation if the Democrat had to pay.

        • Gezza

           /  January 11, 2018

          Oops, unfortunate blooper there – reference above to ‘Weinstein’ was to Dianne Feinsteen.