Open Forum – Saturday

13 January 2018

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20 Comments

  1. Corky

     /  January 13, 2018

    I took a bit of stick when I suggested that spinning a bottle, walking in the direction it points to, then checking out the first Maori organisation you come to, would find at best a lack of standard business practices; at worst blatant corruption and nepotism.

    I know this from first hand experience. I ain’t book read on this issue. Unlike many people who pontificate lavishly on such issues.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/100533983/financial-irregularities-spark-waitangi-inquiry

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  January 13, 2018

      What if your bottle points out to sea or towards a gorge ? Or ends up facing a mountain or towards a house that the owner might take a dim view of you walking through ?

      • Patzcuaro

         /  January 13, 2018

        I guess he would take the bottle with him and spin again until he got the desired outcome.

      • Corky

         /  January 13, 2018

        Typical prattish bs. I forgot everything is literal for you. But to answer your question…..sorry, i forgot… you have no imagination.😕

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  January 13, 2018

          I suspect that I have a great deal more imagination than you have and am far more of a lateral thinker-my education alone would indicate that. .

          You made the remark about walking in that direction rather than using a map and seeing where a line drawn in that direction would come out. It was an absurd thing to say, as there is every chance that there would be no Maori organisation in the line either way. You could well find that your line, real or imaginary, ended up in the sea and not go through or to any such organisation.

          You were asking to be ridiculed on this one, Corks.

          • Corky

             /  January 13, 2018

            I usually set you up to laugh at your act of simple minded simplicity It’s very good. The above wasn’t a setup though. I was serious. Sometimes you are an absolute prat. That needed to be said. Please dont be offended. We can all learn from well meaning advice.

            • Gezza

               /  January 13, 2018

            • Corky

               /  January 13, 2018

              THANK YOU, MR PRESIDENT. YOU MEAN TO SAY YOU WEREN’T
              JUST TALKING ABOUT COUNTRIES. CATS AND TROLLS TOO?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 13, 2018

              Oh, don’t flatter yourself that anything you could say would offend anyone or have any effect other than making one pity you.

              It’s nonsense to say that we can all benefit from well-meant advice as this could be nonsensical.

    • Gezza

       /  January 13, 2018

      That’s disappointing. It’s not unusual in my own experience. I would agree there are some Maori organisations that end up needing investigation when they can’t account for missing money, it’s been spent on something other than it was allocated for, or it’s just a complete accounting shambles.

      In some of them the tikanga just puts the wrong people in charge of the decision-making and accounting, it seems to me. They need to update the tikanga maybe. That’ll happen. And there’ve certainly been cases where there’s just been out & out fraud, as shown in the Courts. Just like there is in pakeha-run organisations & businesses, even government departments and councils, where the offenders and those supervising them are white Europeans.

      What you cop stick for is for your contant Maori-bashing – along the lines above saying that any Maori organisation you care to look at (i.e. every Maori organisation) is corrupt or financially incompetent.

      “I know this from first hand experience. I ain’t book read on this issue.”
      Your self-proclaimed ignorance here is not a virtue, it’s a vice. There are hundreds of Maori organisations around the country. Most of which obviously don’t have any such problems & are run well, & thus don’t feature in headlines.

      And even if you did now get off your arse and go looking on the net for others who’ve got into strife to reinforce your bigotry, all you’d be doing is looking for is for articles which reinforce your bias, like most of us actually do here. They still wouldn’t support your contention that in every Maori organisation one “would find at best a lack of standard business practices; at worst blatant corruption and nepotism.”

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  January 13, 2018

        Poor old Corks walked right into this one, I fear.

        • Corky

           /  January 13, 2018

          Like I said:

          ”I know this from first hand experience. I ain’t book read on this issue. Unlike many people who pontificate lavishly on such issues.’

          Who walked into the door?

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  January 13, 2018

            ‘As I said.’

            You did,. Nobody has pontificated lavishly on such issues, merely indicated the fallacy of your baseless statement.

            • Corky

               /  January 13, 2018

              Your first hand experience please? Any experience you mention, please provide the protocols for government funding, and filing reports for
              said government funding. Any courses you mention please provide how participants are marked as attending, and who those reports must be forwarded to by any course supervisor. As you may be aware, the old days of handing out money because an elder recited a moteatea are gone.

              It’s simple stuff. With your superior intelligence you should be able to do it within a paragraph.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 13, 2018

              Let it go, You are sounding increasingly desperate.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 13, 2018

              You were the one who claimed the first hand experience, not the rest of us-was that last post aimed at yourself, as you had forgotten who said what ?

            • Corky

               /  January 14, 2018

              I think we can now close this thread.

  2. Patzcuaro

     /  January 13, 2018

    A counter to virtue signalling, political signalling.

    Brian Easton at Pundit on whether Jacinda is a Marxist.

    https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/is-jacinda-a-marxist