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19 January 2018

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58 Comments

  1. Pickled Possum

     /  January 19, 2018

    Dr Peter Moodie: “The moment you give narcotics to someone who is a drug seeker, that message will go through their networks like wildfire.” Photo credit: Fairfax Media NZ

    Dr Julie Hancock, a GP at CityMed in Auckland who has recently returned from the International Medicine in Addiction Conference in Sydney, says sometimes the lack of alternatives can make prescribing painkillers problematic.
    “There’s codeine, tramadol, and if people can’t tolerate anti-inflammatories, then you really are quite stuck. I find that since useful medicines like Paradex went off the market, there isn’t really very much between paracetamol, codeine and the strong opiates.”

    What about Cannabis! it Is the safest painkiller !!!!!

    https://www.drugfoundation.org.nz/matters-of-substance/july-2017/ups-and-downs-with-painkiller-prescriptions/

  2. Pickled Possum

     /  January 19, 2018

    “In May 2009 the United Nations Committee against Torture stated that NZ should take appropriate measures to ensure that allegations of cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment on the historic cases are investigated promptly and impartially, perpetrators duly prosecuted, and the victims accorded redress, including adequate compensation and rehabilitation.”

    So what’s the hold up NZ.

    https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3224776/HRC-REPORT.pdf

  3. PartisanZ

     /  January 19, 2018

    @Pete – “Absence of evidence is not a good basis for policy change.”

    This could be a conservative dictum, proverb or motto, couldn’t it?

    I can almost hear it being chanted in the streets the next time a Tania Harris emerges to lead some ‘Kiwis Care’ demonstration of bourgeois redneck values … teara includes audio of Tania and others blaming industrial unrest on ‘recent immigrant’ “pommie stirrers” … (nothing ever really changes) …

    https://teara.govt.nz/en/speech/21117/kiwis-care-march

    Where is the evidence that punishing women and children in order to elicit ‘responsibility’ from AED* ‘baby boy’ Kiwi men actually does work? In reality all it does is magically “save” $25 million by punishing women and children … That’s a pretty strange form of “saving money”, isn’t it?

    Understandable though, after 34 years of conditioning in *welfare austerity* aka social cruelty disguised as ‘productivity & efficiency’ …

    E4E – “People of NZ, we saved money by not treating the patient and they died. So it worked, we saved money. There’s no evidence we’d be better off if the patient had survived. So the policy of non-treatment stands. We’ll need a large body of solid evidence in order to change this policy”

    I could write a thesis on how a caring society might deal with this ‘problem’ but since this is already TL:DR for most of you I’ll relent now …

    *AED = Arrested Emotional Development

  4. sorethumb

     /  January 19, 2018

    Jordan Peterson was talking about this in 12 rules for life. We think in social sciences everything will follow a normal curve but it doesn’t. The Pareto distribution explains why the rich get richer. If you are Graeme Hart you have the best advice etc, etc. “Money makes Money”. If you come from a family with an investment background Uncles, Aunts and associates (Bill the Real estate agent) is there to help find that idiot selling too cheap (“doesn’t know what it is worth”).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_distribution

  5. PartisanZ

     /  January 19, 2018

    “Greed is not fundamental to human nature. Greed is a consequence of scarcity … ” – Sustainable Human

    • PartisanZ

       /  January 19, 2018

      Naturally leads to –

      • PartisanZ

         /  January 19, 2018

        And –

        • sorethumb

           /  January 19, 2018

          Good luck with that but the evolutionary psychologists are winning.

          • PartisanZ

             /  January 19, 2018

            They’ve got the corporate financial and pseudo-historical backing, haven’t they … ?

            • sorethumb

               /  January 19, 2018

              They have an uphill battle as the universities are stacked with social constructionists.

  6. sorethumb

     /  January 19, 2018

    iconoclast
    January 19, 2018 at 8:01 am
    Nichola Sturgeon should do some cross-country research ….

    Meanwhile closer to home – NZ has discovered how to breed baby-boomers – otherwise known as the current wave of nascent age-pensioners plus all new age-pensioners since 2010

    1966 census there were – 1,098,473 age 20 and under – that’s all the normally resident baby-boomers some of whom would have been imports – no idea how many would have been naturals – at least they all would have contributed to the crown purse by 2010 and not all of them would make it to 2010
    http://www3.stats.govt.nz/New_Zealand_Official_Yearbooks/1966/NZOYB_1966.html#idchapter_1_8140

    Baby Boomers – Data extracted from censuses 1996-2013
    Baby-Boomers Born 1945-1965

    NZ-Total number of Baby-Boomers – all groups
    1996 1,111,000
    2001 1,110,000
    2006 1,134,000
    2013 1,138,000

    Can’t make any more of them organically

    Asian – Boomers – Total
    1996 66,000
    2001 80,000
    2006 97,000
    2013 113,000

    Between 1996-2013
    The National total of Baby-Boomers grew 27,000
    The Asian total of Baby-Boomers grew by 47,000 (Que?)

    Which means 20,000 of the original 1996 national crop never made it

    https://croakingcassandra.com/2018/01/18/remote-regions-immigration-and-prosperity/

    • sorethumb

       /  January 19, 2018

      Well done the down-tickers (mental gyrations)

  7. Patzcuaro

     /  January 19, 2018

    Looks like there will be a first baby to go with the first gentleman

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  January 19, 2018

      Except that we don’t use that expression here-it’s American.

  8. artcroft

     /  January 19, 2018

    Congratulations to Clark and Jacinda. Glad to hear Clark will be a stay at home dad to look after bub giving Jacinda time to look after the country.

    • sorethumb

       /  January 19, 2018

      I just knew she would do something great.
      Linda Clark has tweeted
      Toby manhire has tweeted
      Andrew geddes has tweeted.

      • sorethumb

         /  January 19, 2018

        The big story amongst these types is the patriarchy putting down women (and minorities). Jacinda will go from strength to strength.

        • Corky

           /  January 19, 2018

          Well, maybe. The voters may have a more jaundiced view if talk-back is anything to go by.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  January 19, 2018

            The patriarchy which puts down women seems to have an odd way of going about it. Given the number of women judges, politicians and women in other positions of responsibility, the patriarchy isn’t working too well.They also stuff up in that all the arduous and dangerous jobs are done by men, only men can be legally made to go to war, men can be legally obliged to provide for children that aren’t theirs, far less is spent on men-only cancer and men have shorter lives.

            I think that Jacinda Ardern was extremely irresponsible not to step down. Her timing is appalling and she may well land us with Winston Peters as PM. The voters will probably have a jaundiced view, Corks, and they would have a point. Being PM is a full-time job. What if she decides that she can’t do both ?

            • Blazer

               /  January 19, 2018

              spoken like a mean spirited…old maid.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 19, 2018

              Oh, do stop being spiteful and silly. I am not an old maid-which is an extremely insulting term-nor am I mean-spirited. Jacinda Ardern took on the job as PM knowing that she would be unable to give it her full attention, which would be irresponsible in anyone. Do you really want Winston Peters as de facto PM ? I don’t.

              You surely don’t disagree with what I said about the supposed patriarchy-it’s all true. But you would disagree with anything I said. Too childish.

          • Patzcuaro

             /  January 19, 2018

            @Corky squawk back?

    • “…spoken like a mean spirited…old maid”

      Delightful. In all the abuse you dish out here blazer, there’s an awful amount of misogyny. I am “old”, but poor kitty is an “old maid. Dear oh dear. You’re not fond of women who don’t agree with you are you?. Why the abuse? One can only guess at the reasons you attack us so viciously.

      Try sticking to public figures and leave us alone

      • Blazer

         /  January 19, 2018

        I don’t distinguish between genders when people talk….kaka.

        • You abuse the women here in my opinion. Calling them “old maids” is grossly misogynistic

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  January 19, 2018

            B just hates the world, trav. Has he ever said anything nice about anyone? He even hates bankers.

          • Blazer

             /  January 19, 2018

            usual exaggeration…called 1 woman here that.Btw yesterday you posted an image of Key…and then expressed your disgust about the anti semitism it represented…just an excercise in inciting your own…outrage..was it!

  9. Alan Wilkinson

     /  January 19, 2018

    So will Winston or Kelvin be running the country?

  10. lurcher1948

     /  January 19, 2018

    Well its nice to know Jacinda can have babies so big cuddles to the two lovers and partners so back to the mason clinic KIWIBLOG the first two posts down ticked out of sight…

    ross001
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    Surely you could find something negative to say. 🙂

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    There will be plenty of nasty awful comments made about her. Having a child is to be congratulated and cherished, and it speaks volumes about those who choose to be malicious abut her pregnancy

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    • duperez

       /  January 19, 2018

      I just looked on that site.

      A local farmer around here sprays chook shit on his farm. The ‘discussion’ about Ms Ardern’s pregnancy on there reminds me of the smell from that manure.

      No doubt the commenters are all bastions of society, literate and educated. Hopefully as few of them as possible are parents or will ever be parents. It would be awful to think that their appalling scummy attitudes would be passed on to another generation.

    • Corky

       /  January 19, 2018

      We can be critical of Jacindas pregnancy, like me, without being offensive. Get a good nights sleep, Lurchy. Relax and know it doesn’t matter what the Left do..they are losing the next election .

  11. lurcher1948

     /  January 19, 2018

    Is Farrar married or living in sin???????

  12. I’ve sent my DNA away. It’ll be interesting. Anyone else done it? ANCESTRY

  13. lurcher1948

     /  January 19, 2018

    There’s a failure in life called David Garrett a lawyer who got to the top but is remembered for being an idiot in his past life and lost everything.This FAILURE IN LIFE is bad mouthing our PM, so is this ACT policy, the RIGHT BEING NASTY????

    • She’s on a 500k salary and answerable as a public servant. She’s not a Queen.

    • That’s looks pretty nasty to me about posters on another site. Aren’t you left?

      The exception proving the rule perhaps, or a case of physician heal thine own self

  14. lurcher1948

     /  January 19, 2018

    We won the cricket…