Open Forum – Sunday

21 January 2018

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49 Comments

  1. Joe Bloggs

     /  January 21, 2018

    • David

       /  January 21, 2018

      Thats funny Joe. We wait to see which side will need to drown their sorrows, I am picking it wont move the needle either way.

      • Gezza

         /  January 21, 2018

        I watched some of the frustrated, accusatory debate speeches by Mitch, & the equally accusatory speeches by Chuck, on Fox late last nite, before hitting the sack.

        I think they said this is the 12th Government Shutdown since legislation was passed by Congress enabling them to happen, that might’ve been in the Carter era.

        Trump was being blamed by Schumer for having been ready to do a deal at a private meeting, and then backing out & refusing to clinch it after checking with “his base”.

        • Gezza

           /  January 21, 2018

          Commentators/reporters on both Fox and Aljaz all agree the sticking point is an agreement of some sort on what will be done with DACA people.

          Republicans are calling it the Trump Shutdown, blaming his intransigence. They are saying there is common agreement both sides want to help those covered by DACA & that this can be resolved separately by later negotiation because a decision is not required on that until 5 March because of Trump’s Executive Order (I guess extending it only until then).

          Republicans are calling it the Schumer Shutdown, blaming his intransigence. I haven’t heard him argue why the Republicans are wrong on their argument above, it may just be that they don’t trust Trump to keep his word because he lies like a flatfish.

          Commenters on Aljaz & Fox nevertheless expect this impasse to be resolved quickly atm. Both said each side ispolling fiercely to find out who is being blamed by most of the public for the shutdown & that will probably determine who gives.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  January 21, 2018

            Initial polling might not be the same as later. But who knows how Americans perceive their weird system.

            • Gezza

               /  January 21, 2018

              It sure is weird Al. Someone said (I think Aljaz’s White House reporter) that Trump still hadn’t produced a budget that shows how the trillions of dollars being taken out of the government’s budget will be paid for. I thought they were debating a budget, but maybe not.

              If DACA (& various other issues) can be negotiated later though I guess there’s still no budget. Can’t imagine this situation arising anywhere else. Thank God it doesn’t happen here.

            • Gezza

               /  January 21, 2018

              5 Democrat Senators crossed the floor & voted with the Republicans. The same number I think of Republican Senators voted with the Democrats.

          • David

             /  January 21, 2018

            The risk is for the Dems, the budget itself is non controversial with both sides happy but trying to throw DACA in there when it should be dealt with with an immigration bill may backfire.
            CNNs polling shows a lack of support amongst all voters for shutting down the government over DACA but people are supportive of DACA reform. The Democrats have shut down vital government services because of 800,000 illegal immigrants which both sides want to find a solution for, it wont win the Dems a single vote off the Republicans. Polling has majority support for ending chain migration and the lottery system but the border wall is not hugely popular.

            • Gezza

               /  January 21, 2018

              My feeling is it will backfire on the Dems too. They have their eye on the Congressional elections in November & cite majority public support for a DACA pathway to citizenship.

              But they don’t have a good argument to insist on that being resolved right now when hundreds of thousands of government employees will either be working for no pay (delayed, not denied) or placed on furlough, & some highly publicly popular services will be shut down either already or on Monday.

            • Gezza

               /  January 21, 2018

              Whoops – just spotted my bad blooper above – “Republicans are calling it the Trump Shutdown” 😬. Democrats are, obviously. Soz.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 21, 2018

              I stopped trying to understand their political system long ago. There are better things to spend my time doing…and better puzzles to exercise the brain, like cryptic crosswords.

              .

  2. lurcher1948

     /  January 21, 2018

    Art of the deal,YER RIGHT

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  January 21, 2018

      My dog sends regards to Red and hopes that he isn’t finding the heat unbearable.

      • lurcher1948

         /  January 21, 2018

        Hes a sun boy

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  January 21, 2018

          Mine hasn’t had the energy to play with his lion or even run in the garden today. It’s 31 inside even with three fans going, mid 30s outside, 34 in the laundry & probably in the spare room and bathroom (faints at thought). This room has a half wall between sittingroom and kitchen/dining, and the thermometer is on that. I annoy myself by looking :-/ Even with the three fans in the sittingroom, it’sonly just bearable. I don’t ever remember needing three before. They are like the three bears. The little one is on the coffee table beside me. There are three in the kitchen part as well.With the humidity, it is dreadful.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  January 21, 2018

            About 26C here and overcast with occasional very light rain. Quite pleasant for not doing much.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 21, 2018

              So we are almost 10o more….it’s almost unbearable. I haven’t seen anyone walking or heard any mowers nearby. The dog usually runs out when anyone walks past, but not today. It’s the kind of heat that makes one feel rather ill.

  3. lurcher1948

     /  January 21, 2018

    If a few boats miles away, stop it ,i dont think this sky rocket will ever leave the ground..

    • George

       /  January 21, 2018

      And then the excuse was that the weather didn’t permit the launch.
      My opinion of what I saw was the weather was CAVU (Ceiling and Visibility unrestricted) and a wind of about 3-5 knots at most.
      Now for the boat claim. It takes a while for a boat to get anywhere and should have been noticed and warned off long before it ‘entered’ the danger area.
      Like, they -do- have safety vessels either side of the danger area ?

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  January 21, 2018

      It did leave and launch successfully?

  4. Alan Wilkinson

     /  January 21, 2018

    Why you should never plead guilty or woman unhappy her project to ruin two lives is incomplete:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11976833

    • sorethumb

       /  January 21, 2018

      Is there a double standard re sexual offending and sexual orientation?

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  January 21, 2018

      He must be something of a contortionist if he can grab someone’s breast and drive at the same time. I am inclined to disbelieve the reasons for wanting his name published-this sounds like revenge. Yes, it would have been a nasty experience, but she took the money and I see little point in naming someone with early dementia.All it would do would distress his family.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  January 21, 2018

        If the hand is groping in that direction, wouldn’t anyone with sense cross their arms ? He’d have to look around, I imagine, and one would see it coming.

        I wonder if that was added to make the story more dramatic. A hand on the leg is credible, but a boob grab by someone who’s driving is a bit hard to believe. Either way, her reaction seems to have been over the top. Not that I am saying that it’s all right to grab a woman’s breast, it is not.

        • sorethumb

           /  January 21, 2018

          At 70 there is usually only a small pilot light burning?

          • Gezza

             /  January 21, 2018

            Oh there’s definitely at least one common medication for the elderly that can cause hypersexuality. The pilot light gets something to work with.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  January 21, 2018

            Speak for yourself, sorepaw.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 21, 2018

              Dementia means diminished responsibility, Anyone who has known people with it knows that they act out of character. It is a dreadful condition. I wonder if this man would have done this before he began to have dementia. Probably not, or he would have done.

              I was a student nurse, and it wasn’t uncommon when we were caring for old men with dementia for them to make a grab at nurses. It couldn’t be called sexual assault in the usual sense-they had no idea what they were doing and their pre-dementia selves would never have done it.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  January 21, 2018

              Very true and sad, Kitty. My wife used to manage an age care home and the most prim and proper old ladies could degenerate into very incouth behaviour. In my view the above case was both a travesty of justice and an object lesson on how not to deal with a problem.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  January 21, 2018

              Uncouth. FAP.

            • Gezza

               /  January 21, 2018

              Android Pad?

            • Gezza

               /  January 21, 2018

              Android Phone! Yes?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  January 21, 2018

              Oui.

  5. sorethumb

     /  January 21, 2018

    One reason learning Te Reo is a bad idea

    • sorethumb

       /  January 21, 2018

      I mean they could be calling us “foreigner” in Auckland and we’d never know?

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  January 21, 2018

        People call me all sorts of things I never know and care less.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  January 21, 2018

          Some people can make anything sound like an insult, anyway.

          We had a local appliance shop run by a husband and wife-he was all right, but she was unpredictable, to put it mildly. Her glee when I tried to buy printer cartridges for a brand they didn’t sell was obvious-she all but cried ‘Nyah, nyah,’ As I left, she sneered ‘You have a REALLY NICE DAY, NOW, won’t you.’ in a tone that meant ‘ Go and get run over by a bus, why don’t you “

        • sorethumb

           /  January 21, 2018

          You can be too nice Al?

          • Gezza

             /  January 21, 2018

            I’ve met him & stayed with him. He gets the balance of nice about right in my opinion.

      • Gezza

         /  January 21, 2018

        To be fair wherever Brits go they have this peculiar notion the place is full of foreigners.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  January 21, 2018

          ….that beastly abroad, who wants to go there ? Full of Johnny Foreigner.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  January 21, 2018

            I am just wasting time, putting off washing the dog who is lying unsuspiciously on the floor near a fan, unaware of the water torture that is about to happen to him.

            He once stepped onto duckweed and thought it great fun to be up to his tummy in stagnant water that gave him green stockings and tum, and as he tried to do it again a minute later, it was obvious that he had enjoyed the experience and wanted to do it again. Why do dogs make such a hoohah about being bathed ?

    • duperez

       /  January 21, 2018

      Someone described that columnist as a self-centred fruitcake. Funny and probably what a big chunk of people who’ve read her columns think too.