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22 January 2018

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68 Comments

  1. lurcher1948

     /  January 22, 2018

    YAWN,hoskings back and it’s all poor Trump,and the nasty media.It going to be a long wait for hoskings next holiday;he’s so predictable…

    • Oh dear it’s. Apoty you can’t have that wall to wall ingratiating himself with the common man bloke pointing out how evil National are 24/7 . 😄

      • Blazer

         /  January 22, 2018

        yes the Natz didn’t like him at all…made mincemeat out of Key and manure out of Simon ‘oilslick’ Bridges.

        • Call this mincemeat. I call it The often falsetto voiced Alfred E. Neumann/Campbell being owned.

  2. David

     /  January 22, 2018

    Another day and another raft of opinion pieces about how fantastic our PM is, waiting for someone in the media to actually do some proper journalism is a forlorn hope and face reality of what has so far been a shambolic government that has so far u turned on a good chunk of their promises and business confidence has collapsed. The comments in Stuff are near universally negative about the 100 days.
    As my good wife pointed out so far all she has done is got pregnant, either accidently or without informing voters, which even a drug addled alley cat could achieve. No one voted for the place to be run by a 1st time Mum who,s priorities will now be rightly split.

    • Blazer

       /  January 22, 2018

      IN 2020,don’t vote for her David.In the meantime…STFU.

      • Why? If we haven’t got a single person in the media who’ll ask her why, knowing she was pregnant she never disclosed this upon forming a government someone needs to ask the questions. While you can be a part time MUM if that’s your idea of parenting and as we know millions are often forced to be, you certainly can’t be a part time PM and hand the reins over to an old man 93% of the country think is an imbecile.

        • Blazer

           /  January 22, 2018

          terrible obsession you have there…get over it…p.s she can always get a…nanny..like the right do.

          • I don’t have a problem with her working, it’s her NOT working on ten grand a week after being in the job 5 minutes I struggle with. I know it’s difficult, but do pay attention

            • Blazer

               /  January 22, 2018

              you do realise Nick Smith,Murray McCully and a few more I could name..were actually paid ,don’t you!

            • Blazer

               /  January 22, 2018

              never heard you complain about Barclay getting paid by the taxpayer for months,while he wasn’t…working!

        • Missy

           /  January 22, 2018

          Trav, I can understand why it wasn’t disclosed, due to issue of miscarriage etc, having some experience with people close to me in that area there are some that don’t want to announce pregnancy too early.

          However, I do not think it was right she continued in the negotiations when she knew she was going to have a baby, she should have withdrawn from the coalition talks and either let National go into coalition with NZ First or rule as a minority Government.

          • Yes, agree. I’m talking that stage when she went to the Governor General.

            Appallingly bad call. I think she’s deceptive and as I’ve raved about here before, ethically in my book a lie by omission is as bad as a lie by commission. The woman was actively pursuing parenthood, so much so they were enlisting medical “help”. That should have been declared so people voting can have a choice. I have problems with her deception and her taking time out and the ghastly Winstonian implications of that. Others may have issues around her ability to parent, I don’t as it’s her personal life , but what about giving us the choice.

            We are her employers and pay her an extraordinary amount of money. Indeed we’re firming out ten grand a week while she baby bonds. Money that could be better employed on other poorer parents.

            • Forking not firming, even though the fork is firm

            • Missy

               /  January 22, 2018

              Agree, she is very deceptive, and despite what she has said she has wanted to be PM since she was at school. I don’t trust her at all.

              She should never have tried to form a Government knowing she was pregnant.

    • lurcher1948

       /  January 22, 2018

      She won and 2 time loser Bill English lost.

      • Missy

         /  January 22, 2018

        She didn’t win, she was handed the PM job by 7% Winston. Never forget that. She still has a minority Government propped up by a Confidence & Supply agreement with the Greens.

    • Patzcuaro

       /  January 22, 2018

      This must be your worst nightmare, three years of the media being distracted by the remaining 6 months of the pregnancy, then the birth, baby photos, the first step and words. We might just about squeeze in its first day at kindy, may be during the 2020 campaign. National might as well resign itself to 3 more years in opposition, beaten by a baby.

      • David

         /  January 22, 2018

        It is Patz a nightmare however i dont worry for me i will be fine whatever happens i worrythat important things that Nz needs wont happen and what does happen will be poorly executed. Its not exactly a cabinet stacked with talent and experience and now it will be a little bit leaderless.

        • Gezza

           /  January 22, 2018

          Was this not your position anyway before the announcement of her pregnancy? So therefore it’s not really a significant change in your expectations?

      • Missy

         /  January 22, 2018

        If NZers are that shallow that they would vote for someone based on their baby then they deserve the Government they get!

        • Missy, even my left wing friends think she was deceptive at best. Older people aren’t over the moon and gushing. I wish her well and good health and as a very much older first time mother she’ll need it, but buggered if I’m getting on board with how awesome this is for NZ.

          I still have memories of Labour failing to even do the decent thing and extend a pair to Ruth Richardson so she could accomodate her child as Minister of Finance and nastily forcing her back into the House to vote. The NZ media never had photos of Katherine Rich with her baby in 2002 and she breastfed in the House!

          It’s like Bill English – quietly learns Te Reo, speaks it for 20 minutes on Orakei Marae on Waitangi, first PM to learn and to speak and what do we get from the media. Blackout.

          • Missy

             /  January 22, 2018

            Agree with you there Trav.

            As I said above, I understand her not making the news public before now, I don’t agree that she should have continued with the coalition negotiations.

            However, something I didn’t say above, which my sister pointed out, why did she take on the leadership if they were trying for a baby??? That was wrong.

          • Missy

             /  January 22, 2018

            I wouldn’t quite put it as blunt as some of what Liz Jones says, but the point is valid.

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5293227/LIZ-JONES-pregnant-PM-betraying-voters.html

            • Asking the valid questions the bland Tech Institute cookie cutter journos here can’t even formulate, let alone depart from their liberal POV, their virtue signalling bubble long enough to ask.

          • Blazer

             /  January 22, 2018

            Ruth Richardson…!!I thought she had a ‘pair’…most sterile ,harsh female politician in living..memory.

        • duperez

           /  January 22, 2018

          You want shallow? Just look on here at some of the pathetic juvenile responses about Ardern being pregnant. The reasoning and discussion level is what I’d expect from eight or nine year old girls. No-one ever trying for a baby should put themselves forward for anything?

          As for deception and lying by omission, how about we hear from those who have a track record of calling out any and all politicians who have blatantly lied to us. Not the politicians who simply didn’t carry out their promises but lied about things they’d done, given deliberately wrong accounts. Ardern has been there long enough to know that deception is part of the game and is free to follow patterns of her predecessors.
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          Liz Jones? Read some of her stuff about having babies and pregnancy and husbands and get back to us about whether or not you think she has issues about those. I feel sorry for her history and the issues she has but she should simply be told to naff off.

          • Imagine if John Key did this. Imagine if when forming a government he knew he’d have to take a minimum of a 6 weeks break and leave David Seymour in charge. That diesnt even come close to this, but I know exactly how the rabid Key Haters would be on here

            Have some balance. Everyone wishes her health and happiness, but pretending she’s handled this right to the expectations of people who expect an available PM and who value continuity is naive.

            • duperez

               /  January 22, 2018

              Look at it this way, she’s handled it right to the expectations of people with a modicum of rationality and common sense.

              John Key getting pregnant and David Seymour being in charge I would’ve paid money to see!

            • Patzcuaro

               /  January 22, 2018

              @ Traveller not really a fair comparison. Winston at least got into parliament on his own merits, Seymour had to be gifted his. 7% gives you some relevancy, 0.5% gives you none.

          • You want shallow?

  3. Blazer

     /  January 22, 2018

    Thick but thinner…
    The announcement by Paula Bennett that she has had lap belt surgery,signals that the race to succeed English is really on. Going public with her surgery, but saying ‘haters are going to hate’ does not alter the fact the fact that people would notice that she quickly lost 30-40 kg.Her leadership credentials seem to be based on the fact that she is an ‘achiever’.From truck stop waitress to Dep P.M along with the aw shucks,if lil ole me can do it anyone can persona,and her stunning contribution to parliamentary debate…’zip it sweetie’ ,to me at least… indicate she has zero chance.
    The smiling assassins endorsement and promotion of this ambitious ,sycophantic,self promoting individual cannot hide the blatant disregard she showed for the Privacy Act in going public with private information whenever she felt like it.
    Voters in Nth Harbour will be comforted by the fact that she never…’deliberately’ mislead Social Welfare and has abandoned her convenient ‘westie chick’,leopard skin schtick in favour of being a more conventional conservative class traitor.
    The other contender so far…Judith Collins first out of the blocks with her RONS campaign is a more likely candidate imo.’Crusher’ has the Muldoon/Thatcheresque’ appeal of being a strong leader,tough on crime and actually has plenty of goodwill among the party faithful.
    As it looks like the Natz will be looking to counter Jacindamania with a female candidate of their own ,the options are limited.
    Nicki Kaye’s health probably rules her out.
    Tolley …doesn’t look like leadership material.
    Adams..a female version of Bill English,competent ,but dry as a pommie towel.
    Barry…in a wet T shirt could appeal to Footrot Flats afficienado’s.
    So that leaves…?
    An interesting aside to the careers of politicians after lap belt surgery…downwards..Lange,Shipley,Davidson…prime examples.

    • David

       /  January 22, 2018

      Must be hard to recognize this early on that your band of muppets will be out in 2020 and you are starting to worry already about who will be PM after Winston sinks your rabble.

      • lurcher1948

         /  January 22, 2018

        Zip it sweetie,JACINDA FOR 9 years

      • Blazer

         /  January 22, 2018

        looking at the next leader of the Opposition,even Billy doesn’t want to be a 3 time loser…the candidates give cause for…optimism…for..moi.

        • Talk it up, talk it up……

        • Corky

           /  January 22, 2018

          Once Paula loses 20 kgs, grows her hair, and changes to lighter makeup with less foundation, she will drop 15 years in age.

          Good to see Paula has read my posts, and taken my advice.

          Oh, but the way , Balzer. Paula was being trashed by two beneficiaries who expected her to take it and say nothing. Paula hit back with facts you can get on the Winz site.
          When the public found out how much these whinging toerags received, the next day talk-back ran hot with most( not all) callers telling them to bugger off and get a life.

          • Blazer

             /  January 23, 2018

            that was but one…incident…she is a despicable fat…person.

            • Gezza

               /  January 23, 2018

              She’s not so fat anymore by the sound of it.

            • Blazer

               /  January 23, 2018

              its not…instant.I hope her feet shrink..and she has to buy another 6 shelves of…shoes.

  4. sorethumb

     /  January 22, 2018

    Oxfam report – Huge wealth gap in New Zealand where richest 1% own 30% of wealth – all about land ownership.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11979151

    MBIE in partnership with internationalist left (including TVNZ, RNZ) immigration essential for our well being.

    • PartisanZ

       /  January 22, 2018

      What do you think of the message “Reward Work, Not Wealth” …?

      • PartisanZ

         /  January 22, 2018

        “Inequality is really bad for democracy … People of the poorest population tend not to vote.

        Extreme inequality also fractures our society creating ‘us and them’ …

        Last year, Oxfam’s research revealed two New Zealanders had more wealth than the poorest 30 per cent of the adult population …

        “Kiwis love fairness, not inequality,” she [Oxfam NZ Director Rachael Le Mesurier] said.”

        I doubt that assertion really holds water any longer … ?

        • PartisanZ

           /  January 22, 2018

          ““Inequality is really bad for democracy …”

          Actually Corporate Capitalism is really bad for democracy …

          Reading ‘Television and the Crisis of Democracy’ by Douglas Kellner at present. Although written in 1990 it is as incredibly relevant today as Frank E Warner’s ‘Future of Man’ from 1944 …

          http://la.utexas.edu/users/hcleaver/357L/357Lsum_s2_Kellner_TV.htm

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  January 22, 2018

        Plenty of people rewarded handsomely for work spend it all on lavish living or divorces and have no wealth. Plenty of people with modest incomes save and invest wisely including in their marital relationships and end up comfortably wealthy.

        • Blazer

           /  January 22, 2018

          what scientific data,can you provide to support your ..case?

        • PartisanZ

           /  January 22, 2018

          @Alan – “Plenty of people …”

          You believe strongly in personal freedom, don’t you?

          I can’t see how your comment relates much to mine …?

          “Modest incomes” doesn’t cover the Precariat, who, according to traveller’s figures, constitute at least 40% of the workforce …

          These are the people whose ‘unpaid wages’ enable the obscene wealth of the extremely rich …

    • PartisanZ

       /  January 22, 2018

      “MBIE in partnership with internationalist left (including TVNZ, RNZ) immigration essential for our well being.”

      What an extraordinary conclusion to draw from the Oxfam report? Almost unrelated.

      The obscene, pathological and degenerate concentration of wealth at the top is the result of New Right neoliberalism. Globalisation is one of its main machinations, including labour globalisation, the bulk of which is what you call ‘immigration’.

      The broader subject of ‘immigration’, including refugees and human trafficking, traverses and somewhat scrambles the old Left and Right definitions IMHO

      • sorethumb

         /  January 22, 2018

        No my point is that immigration and house prices are strongly correlated plus population increase is making us poorer not more productive. My point about TVNZ and RNZ relates to bias as seen in two flaship programs (Nigel Latta’s New New Zealand and RNZ’s A Slice of Heaven – Smart Talk at The Auckland Museum). MBIE is in paternership with Massey under a research program which assumes it’s own result “Capturing The Diversity Dividend NZ” (all abuot imigration of course).

        • PartisanZ

           /  January 22, 2018

          Fair enough. Its all about the so-called ‘economic realities’ of modern life that the (so-called) ‘Centre’, Centre-Right, Far Right and Alt-Right instigated and have been supporting ‘economically’ (one-dimensionally) for 3-and-a-half decades …

          That they’re incapable of envisaging a triple (or quadruple) ‘bottom line’ – i.e. economic, social and environmental – means they’re bound to see critical analysis on any level deeper than ‘pure-money-numbers’ as a threat … and because the ‘enemy’ must be ‘the Left’, that’s where to lay the blame …

          Just like yesterday’s “settlement foolery” and our possible post-grievance future, this broader subject will never go anywhere until we get over Left and Right labels and look at evidence with compassion for our society, its’ communities and our natural world with its ‘resources’ …

          Thankfully, we now have a government more representative of a triple bottom-line, sound economics – its impossible to do otherwise in a corporate-capitalist State – socially responsible, a minor degree of [much needed] nationalistic tendency and an environmental branch …

          Sorry if you didn’t get what you wanted out of Winston …

  5. sorethumb

     /  January 22, 2018

    Delingpole: Left Reframes Jordan Peterson’s SJW Takedown as Misogynist, Alt-Right Bullying
    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/01/21/delingpole-left-reframes-jordan-petersons-sjw-takedown-as-misogynist-alt-right-bullying/

    • Worst interview I’ve seen in a while. People can reframe it as they want but it stands as what it is. Appallingly unprofessional

  6. sorethumb

     /  January 22, 2018

    Rich, poor in New Zealand: Oxfam report shows huge wealth gap https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018628926/rich-poor-in-new-zealand-oxfam-report-shows-huge-wealth-gap
    “This is about wealth – about assets, particularly in the OECD that is property”

    “Asset inflation isnt wealth creation – it simply creates a charge (first home buyer/renter) elsewhere in the economy” – Kurt Rickenbacher.

  7. lurcher1948

     /  January 22, 2018

    I feel that she has had some experience in life…

    • Corky

       /  January 22, 2018

      They say a picture is worth a thousand words., I don’t think I’d like this coarse twat.

      Did you see the protests on TV, Lurchy? I couldn’t help noticing how mousy and unmanly the men looked. Pale snivelling liberal types.

    • lurcher1948

       /  January 22, 2018

      i dont think shes trumps mother ,she has FAR higher standards

    • Gezza

       /  January 22, 2018

      Another one from the March. It says something, but it’s open to interpretation.

  8. lurcher1948

     /  January 22, 2018

    WOW Newstalk ZB has a new i think kiddy,wet behind the ears jock shock talk back host called Tim Wilson, this person is playing the old baby boomer/millennial struggle, that me/myself had it easy because i got the home, car and pension, well newstalkZB and tim I DONT GIVE A SHIT i retire on Thursday,Tim WORK HARD you are paying my pension and im 69 WORKED ALL MY LIFE, and dont give a damn

  9. lurcher1948

     /  January 22, 2018

    Why are so many MPs having gastric ops to lose weight ie like Paula Benefit, Lange ETC ETC, i could help out, STOP TROUGHING OUT, dont shove all and sundry down your throats, MODERATION MP troughers

    • Corky

       /  January 22, 2018

      The operation is replete with dangers. The lifestyle post op can suck. And of course you can die. at anytime. Brave people.