Open Forum – Tuesday

23 January 2018

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63 Comments

  1. David

     /  January 23, 2018

    Looks like the Schummer Shutdown is ending, Dems have figured its not popular to shutdown the government over illegal immigrants, especially ones with bipartisan and Presidential support to stay.

    • Gezza

       /  January 23, 2018

      Patty Culhane Aljaz tv is saying they have agreed to fund government for 3 weeks only during which they have to try to come up with a proper budget. Meantime the Trump campsign has gifted them a web ad accusing the democrats of being complicit in murders committed by illegal immigrants.

      • David

         /  January 23, 2018

        Its such a crazy system where they have to get 60/40 in the senate rather than simple majority, especially when you need Congress, Senate and Presidential ticks its like they have democratized themselves to a strandstill.
        Imagine if Robertson needed 9 Nat MPs to pass a budget as well as his own caucus voting pretty much how they liked. Its amazing how well the US does despite its hopeless governance.

        • Gezza

           /  January 23, 2018

          Yeah I agree it’s a daft system. The governing administration can be prevented from governing. Culhane was saying the US government hasn’t had a complete Fiscal Year budget for 3 years.

          • Patzcuaro

             /  January 23, 2018

            The problem to me is that they aren’t voting on the merits of a bill, they appear to want to attach non related things to bills like a senators pet project to get their vote. Pork barrel politics.

            • Gezza

               /  January 23, 2018

              It’s a shithole country. Just a rich one.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  January 23, 2018

              If there is one thing worse than a system that uses political bribes to ensure politicians vote for something they believe is good policy it is the same system using political bribes to ensure politicians vote for something they believe is bad policy.

              Absolute crap system. Why on earth do Americans tolerate it?

            • Gezza

               /  January 23, 2018

              Over a century of advertising. They’re the democratic world’s most susceptible to believing absolute bullshit.

  2. 15-year-old girl shot in Texas high school cafeteria

    A 15-year-old girl was hospitalized after a shooting in a cafeteria at a Texas school this morning, local officials said.

    The suspect, a 16-year-old male student, was taken into custody without incident after the shooting, which was reported shortly before 8 a.m. local time at Italy High School in Italy, Texas, located about 45 miles south of Dallas, the Ellis County Sheriff’s Office said.
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/injured-shooting-texas-school/story?id=52522539

  3. Corky

     /  January 23, 2018

    CORKY’S WORLD.

    Had a visitor over on New Years Day. He respectfully asked to use my computer to partake in a Destiny Church service. I must say what I saw was quite impressive. The church owns the biggest movie screen in New Zealand. The service had continual montages of church life over the past year playing as different people spoke.

    One part of the service I found fascinating. Known by a special name which I forget, but it’s basically testimonials from people who have changed their lives for the better. One guy got up with his wife and kids. An ex gang banger, he now had a job. He had stopped bashing the wife and kids. The kids, roughly ten years old, received their first Christmas presents this year. But their biggest excitement was they were going on a family holiday outside of Auckland. These people had never been outside the confines of Auckland.

    What we take for granted.

    Talking of religion, religious conservatives like preaching how Harry Potter is the work of the Devil and has veiled references to the occult. Of course, if you understand occultism you know they are right. Harry Potter has many reference to ‘the arts’ especially the processes of alchemy and its psychological changing processes. So tonight there is a programme by someone who has delved into these books and seems, from what the shorts show, to have reached a similar conclusion as religious conservatives.

    • Blazer

       /  January 23, 2018

      be surprised if their T.V screen is bigger than…M.B.I.E …they spent 140k on theirs,and $400 on a..hair straightener.Only taxpayers money though,and Joyce said he was…keeping an eye..on..them.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  January 23, 2018

        I wish that you’d spend $400 on a sentence straightener.

  4. Corky

     /  January 23, 2018

    Gezza’s post above shows the dangers children now face when going to school. Guns, knives and bashings are all serious risks schools must manage.

    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/parents-students-meet-at-school-where-boy-stabbed-6011689

    • Gezza

       /  January 23, 2018

      “”Even if they have all been addressed, or were perfectly in place, they would not have stopped what is a very tragic and one-off incident occurring,” says Katrina Casey of the Education Ministry.

      This incident was followed by another stabbing involving two teenagers at Southern Cross campus, four kilometres away.

      Mangere’s Strive Community Trust says violence is increasing in the area and it’s struggling to keep up.

      “There are a lot of our people on the waiting list waiting to be provided services that we can’t possibly provide because we are now reaching our maximum,” says Bill Peace, the trust’s social services manager.””

      This incident happened at a Christian School, for God’s sake! Where the hell was Jesus – down the pub?

      This is very concerning. But not a surprise. We’ve been hearing about violence increasing at schools for years now. It’s a sad indictment on the parenting situation of these kids that a local Community Trust seems to somehow feel responsible for fixing the problem.

      • duperez

         /  January 23, 2018

        Real and terrible and 2014.

        • Gezza

           /  January 23, 2018

          Good spotting. Should’ve known.

        • Corky

           /  January 23, 2018

          Should have known facts are time sensitive.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  January 23, 2018

            When was anyone shot at a school in NZ ?

            • Corky

               /  January 23, 2018

              No one has been shot at school in NZ with a gun. There are several incidents of slug guns being fired or presented during after school scuffles.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 23, 2018

              Slug guns . Oh, please. Try killing or badly injuring someone with a slug gun. It may be possible. but it’s not likely.

              If no one has been shot with a gun-what have people been shot with ?

            • Gezza

               /  January 23, 2018

              A slug gun is an air rifle Kitty. Unfortunately they can be very high powered these days and therefore lethal. Have you forgotten this case?
              http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4074883/Sgt-Don-Wilkinsons-killers-jailed

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 23, 2018

              I had, but usually they are unlikely to kill anyone-although people have been known to lose eyes and have injuries from them.

              But we-thank Heaven-don’t have school shootings on a regular basis here.

            • Corky

               /  January 23, 2018

              I was going to tee off on you, Kitty. But Gezza has covered my point.. Sure, AR’s are nowhere near as lethal as a firearm, but they are still capable of being very lethal all the same..especially when packing a .22 slug.( yeah, like a real 22 rifle).

              Trivia.

              I have a Benjamin air rifle rated at 1300psi barrel velocity.. That’s a lot of power. I bought it from this chap who had a small part in the Paul White Affair ( film). This man knows everything about air rifles.

              http://youngsairgun.co.nz/newprods.htm

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 24, 2018

              Oh dear, I seem to have been saying slug guns when I meant spud guns….oooooppppssss…..

            • Corky

               /  January 24, 2018

              A spuddy is still cable of damaging your eye. That reminds me..I haven’t seen one in years. They used to be awkward aluminium things when I was a young-un growing up last century.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 24, 2018

              A man in Hamilton and I had fun playing with a cap gun (I didn’t know that these were still around) at a bus stop. I hadn’t played with one since I was a child. It was nice of him to let me have a go. He would have had to go back and buy more caps before it was handed over to the child for whom it was intended 😀

    • duperez

       /  January 23, 2018

      Everyone faces dangers going to school or work and guns, knives and bashings are all serious risks schools must manage. Mentioning the Auckland example and linking it to Gezza’s one as if to suggest that the same situation exists here as in Texas (or anywhere in the USA) is daft.

      Attacks with weapons in New Zealand schools aren’t in the news much because they are not common. With its massive population it is probably to be expected that there’d be more incidents of shootings and stabbings in the US. There are – dramatically so.

      “In a 2015 nationally representative sample of youth in grades 9-12:
      • 4.1% reported carrying a weapon (gun, knife or club) on school property on one or more days in the 30 days preceding the survey.
      • 6.0% reported being threatened or injured with a weapon (gun, knife or club) on school property one or more times in the 12 months preceding the survey.”

      “• During the 2012-2013 school year, 31 homicides of school-age youth ages 5 to 18 years occurred at school.”

      https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/yv-datasheet.pdf

      • Corky

         /  January 23, 2018

        Obviously you don’t live in Auckland. Polynesian kids are ‘tooled’ and ready to kill.. And not just in Auckland, right across the country.

        Daft? Well that’s a matter of opinion..and good luck..and lack of comparative stats for New Zealand and American..

      • Gezza

         /  January 23, 2018

        At least we’re not Michigan. Nor ever likely to be stupid enuf to get a government that allows any Tom, Dickhead & Harriett to own guns, like in the US.

        “A recent investigation by the Associated Press and USA Today found 49 children had accidentally shot someone in Michigan over a two-and-a-half year span. Seventeen children died as a result.

        Studies estimate that more than 1,000 children die from gun-related injuries in the US every year. Almost 6,000 are treated in the ER for such injuries.”
        http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/michigan-shooting-daycare-toddler-shoots-children-critical-condition-a7972741.html

  5. lurcher1948

     /  January 23, 2018

    Can some one tell me why people smugglers are trying to get people of colour into RACIST Australia as racist Australians hate white New Zealanders…Dosnt make any sence to me.

    • Corky

       /  January 23, 2018

      ‘Making sense’ is the operative phrase here, Lurchy.

    • Gezza

       /  January 23, 2018

      Ignore the spelling prat Lurch. I imagine it’s because they’re lied to & told they can claim refugee status when they get there. The only refugees they’re likely to get from NZ will be rich people claiming they’re being impoverished by Jacinda.

  6. sorethumb

     /  January 23, 2018

    Specifically, I believe that all these examples show how the language of humanities disciplines increasingly resembles that of advertising. The language of advertising is gimmicky, based on catchphrases, and rhetorical tricks. It works as long as it attracts attention. Along the same lines, the humanities scholar has become like an advertiser who has to pitch their material in a constant act of re-branding due to the “publish or perish” system.
    ……..
    Areo Magazine

  7. Corky

     /  January 23, 2018

    Oh, dear. Just paid the kids school fees. The administration office was full of immigrants, many whom had little grasp of English. I enjoyed the inventive hand signals as staff and immigrants vied to be understood.. I spoke to an elderly lady in another office tasked with dishing out stationary. I explained what was happening at the front desk. I was interested in her response given I perceived she would be in the Brash camp. She kept her guard up, but her facials showed she was none too impressed. ” Oh, it’s worse when they ring up. You cannot understand them. I just pass the call on to someone who can.”

    I wonder who that was?

    • phantom snowflake

       /  January 23, 2018

      You still here? Wasn’t this season meant to be ‘Hula in Hawaiki Nui’ not ‘Hamburgers in Heretaunga’?? lol

      • Corky

         /  January 23, 2018

        I don’t know what the fug you are talking about. But I’m sure you believe it’s important. Talking of ‘time sensitive issues’ your identity must be due for the chop soon.

        • phantom snowflake

           /  January 23, 2018

          Ooooh… sounds like fun!

        • phantom snowflake

           /  January 23, 2018

          your identity blah blahblah” What identity? In the “real world” I’m a complete nobody!!

    • Gezza

       /  January 23, 2018

      Christ! She’s having facials on the job?

      • Pickled Possum

         /  January 23, 2018

        probably Botox Gezza that way you can’t tell if she’s Mad Sad or Bad
        Just the same monotone look and voice so she cannot be accused of being non-PC

        Or as your fave actress (insert name here) who says not on your Nelly …Never!
        could be a good thing telling some-one they are a !@$%^& butt the face is sayin Nothing!!

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  January 23, 2018

          Stationery-stationary means not moving.

          I have always found that good will and a bit of mime go a long way in communication.

          • Gezza

             /  January 23, 2018

            Possum didn’t say stationary, meaning stationery.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 23, 2018

              No….Corks did. He sneers at other people’s lack of language skills, but makes awful howlers himself.

            • Gezza

               /  January 23, 2018

              Does he?

          • Corky

             /  January 23, 2018

            WARNING; Grammar prat on the plough ( prowl).

          • Corky

             /  January 23, 2018

            Try miming in ICU. Or at the IRD office.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  January 23, 2018

              Well, I wouldn’t-nobody would in those places. Don’t be silly.

            • Corky

               /  January 23, 2018

              ”Don’t be silly.”

              Exactly. If they can’t speak English in a school administration building, what makes you think they will suddenly be fluent in English when in other institutions that may to critical to their well being?

            • Corky

               /  January 23, 2018

              *be*

  8. robertguyton

     /  January 23, 2018

    “PENNY ASHTON: Yeah. And I’d just like to say that I think, you know, Paula Bennett is brave coming out and saying this and talking about it, and I think that’s fantastic. Obviously I’m a very staunch Labour supporter but, you know, anybody that’s fat-shaming her over this and making jokes about it is terrible. Um, she did say, however, she made this comment: “People treat you differently when you’re overweight and when you’re seriously overweight from when you’re not. People have this perception of people who are overweight, that it’s all in their own hands, and they’re just greedy people and they can’t control how they eat.” My husband made a little alteration to it and put it on Facebook, that said: “People, I think people have this perception of people who are POOR, — [orchestral music swells up from this point]—- and that it’s all in their own hands and that they’re just lazy people and they can’t control how they spend.” So I’m just putting that out there for a little alternative to her thing on her Ministry portfolio.”

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  January 23, 2018

      I doubt if people (all people) have that perception of poor people ?

      It is, alas, true in some cases.It’s true about fat people, too, as has been proved by those who have lost weight. Not all fat people are like it because they eat too much, but it is true in the majority of cases. I finally worked this out and went from a size 20 something to a size in the teens….oh, the bliss of not having to buy clothes from the plus-size range.

      I can’t understand how Marama Fox had to borrow the money for her op, or why she had it done-surely she was never obese enough to justify it. On her salary, $30,000 would not be unaffordable.

  9. Blazer

     /  January 23, 2018

    pompous,tedious,name dropping…bore..reminds me of..someone..

  10. Corky

     /  January 23, 2018

    Loved this too. Liberals can’t match Trump. But I already I knew that. How? You just need to read some of the comments on this blog 😄

    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/01/journalists-take-cognitive-test-president-trump-took/

    • Mefrostate

       /  January 23, 2018

      First of all, WhaleOil is absolute trash and nothing they say should be trusted nor shared. Those mouth-breathers should be left to their echo-chamber of paid-for opinions.

      Secondly, SB describes them as “young anti-Trump journalists”, when the video is made by a conservative outlet using their own in-house pro-Trump reporters (who are probably acting dumb).

      Third, you can judge the difficulty of the test for yourself here: http://dementia.ie/images/uploads/site-images/MoCA-Test-English_7_1.pdf

      • Corky

         /  January 23, 2018

        ”First of all, WhaleOil is absolute trash ”

        That is your opinion.

        ”Secondly, SB describes them as “young anti-Trump journalists”, when the video is made by a conservative outlet using their own in-house pro-Trump reporters (who are probably acting dumb).”

        Now you are talking… tell me more.

        • Any blogger who refuses to fully link to his sources IS surely “trash”. When this blog attributes their sources by linking within the body of a post (when directly quoting) or by providing URL links at the bottom when they largely paraphrase, I’ll start regarding them as a serious source

          I find it both childishly pithy and offensive. I find it lazy and I find it lacking in integrity, especially as the majority of all posts contain vast tracts of lifted material.

          Yesterday’s example

          https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/01/english-slams-ardern-drops-public-service-targets/

          #originalthoughtnotmuch

          • Corky

             /  January 24, 2018

            Oh , I agree. That’s why I’m waiting on Mefrostate to back his claim up. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander…right.

            • Blazer

               /  January 24, 2018

              you have to understand what…opinion is though.

            • Corky

               /  January 24, 2018

              Yes, but I would prefer facts as Traveller alludes too. Now I may be missing something in your cryptic comment. Please explain if need be.

            • Mefrostate

               /  January 24, 2018

              Happy to back up my claim, Corky.

              The video is published by Independent Journal Review (IJR), as you can see here.

              IJR is viewed as having a “moderate to strong bias toward conservative causes” by this site.

              IJR is owned by Alex Skatell, who was previously the digital director for the Republican Governor’s Association, along with Phil Musser, a former advisor to Mitt Romney. They started the site with funding from Pete Snyder, a Republican political advisor (see here and here.

              You can see several of the same reporters from the Trump test video in other videos published by IJR. E.g. this guy is also in this video.

              Thus it seems quite unlikely that they are “young anti-Trump journalists” as SB frames it. Just one example of the bullshit you’ll find at WhaleOil dot com.