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3 February 2018

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46 Comments

  1. Corky

     /  February 3, 2018

    A great balanced doco. The author I think answers her own question at the beginning but doesn’t realise it,

    One interesting point the narrator makes. She said it’s not enough for younger women to be Muslims…they must show they are Muslims.

    That’s an interesting comment for me, because I said a while back that I perceived a quiet arrogance from Muslim women wearing head covering. Kitty said that was nonsense. I guess it’s a simple matter of how wide open your eyes are..and what your brain can process.

    • phantom snowflake

       /  February 3, 2018

      Corky, thankyou for reminding me of this comment of yours from march 2017. I had wanted to call *BULLSHIT* on it at the time, but I wasn’t yet ready to begin my (mediocre) blog-commenting career.

      Ever watched Muslim women in public? Ever noticed their unspoken arrogance? They never look down, they look you straight in the eyes, not with a look of ” look how beautiful and cool I am as a Muslim women, but more a ‘that’s right, Infidel, get use to it. I’m Muslim and there’s nothing you can fugging do about it. Fugg you.” You probably haven’t noticed, but look out for it the next time you are in the supermarket.
      https://yournz.org/2017/03/10/prejudice/#comment-169778

      I even made a point of doing my own research, which was easy as I live in an area with a large population of women who are identifiably Muslim. I have never seen the look which you describe, despite sharing many supermarket aisles with Muslim women. So without further ado, I now call BULLSHIT!! on your claim. I am left uncertain as to whether you were just “making shit up”, or whether as PartisanZ suggested, Muslim women were actually responding to the way you were looking at them.
      You’ve made many derogatory comments about Muslims, which are so at odds with my own experience that I sometimes wonder if you have met any Muslims at all. Perhaps the Muslims that are “problematic” are the ones that exist in your head.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  February 3, 2018

        Same here. I go to Pak & Save and there are often Muslims there-and Sikhs, Hindus and all sorts of people. Never yet have I seen the quiet arrogance and conceit of Corky’s fantasy. They are there like the rest of us, buying groceries, and are as likely to have a friendly exchange as anyone else. A Muslim woman taught me the art of stepping backwards with a long skirt on when we were talking about this and that. There is a Muslim girl working there, who wears a more covered-up uniform and black scarf-she makes the Pak & Save uniform look glam, as she is so pretty.

        If someone stared rudely at me, I might well return the compliment with interest.

        One person-like the one in the video-is too small a sample, As well take one Christian and say that they are all like that.

        • Corly

           /  February 4, 2018

          ”A Muslim woman taught me the art of stepping backwards with a long skirt on when we were talking about this and that. There is a Muslim girl working there, who wears a more covered-up uniform and black scarf-she makes the Pak & Save uniform look glam, as she is so pretty.”

          You forgot to mention your Muslim doctor, and the Muslims down your road. You seem to be surrounded by Muslims.

          ‘One person-like the one in the video-is too small a sample,”

          I made no reference to a person in the video…I said narrator.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  February 4, 2018

            Oh, silly me, I thought that the narrator was ‘a person’. She looks like a person to me.

            Having a Muslim doctor and a Muslim family in the street is hardly being surrounded. Yes, there are a fair number of Muslims in the Waikato, but nobody seems to get all excited and neurotic about this. I would advise you not to come and live here, You would see Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, Asians…..you’d be in a permanent lather.

            • Corky

               /  February 4, 2018

              ”Oh, silly me, I thought that the narrator was ‘a person’. She looks like a person to me.”

              Correct. Please be more precise so there is no room for misinterpretation.

              ”Having a Muslim doctor and a Muslim family in the street is hardly being surrounded.”

              You have a Muslim for every occasion. I’m afraid I’m a little sceptical.

              ”I would advise you not to come and live here, You would see Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, Asians…..you’d be in a permanent lathe”

              Again you are misrepresenting me. I have stated repeatedly I only have a problem with Muslims( individually and collectively) .

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 4, 2018

              More fool you, in that case.

              You’d better hope that you never have to come as a patient to the surgery I attend; there’s one Indonesian Muslim and one Nigerian one !

              A Muslim for every occasion ? Don’t be absurd. Paranoia is creeping in, it seems.

            • Corky

               /  February 4, 2018

              No, more the fool you. I will call you out at the right time, along with others, to hear your spluttering, excuses and justifications for the horror that has beset New Zealand.

              Lets hope Pete doesn’t pull the plug too soon.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 4, 2018

              Now you really have gone over the edge.

            • Corky

               /  February 4, 2018

              Deflecting with insinuations about mental health doesn’t work.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  February 4, 2018

            I took it for granted that anyone of average intelligence would work out that as there was one narrator, that person would be the ‘one person’ referred to.

      • Corly

         /  February 4, 2018

        Thankyou for your frank and vigorous comments regarding my observation of Muslim women, Snowflake. And great your now have absolute command of this media that you can go back to March 2017 and dredge my comment up. That’s commitment.

        Here’s a slap in the face for you..maybe me. We will just have to disagree.

        http://www.irfi.org/articles4/articles_5001_6000/the%20dos%20and%20don'ts%20of%20defending%20muslim%20womenhtml.htm

        • phantom snowflake

           /  February 4, 2018

          As the article you’ve linked to contains no “slap in the face” which relates to anything I said, I’m guessing that you didn’t even read it as you snatched wildly at Google for any projectile to hurl in my general direction. But thanks anyway, you’ve inadvertently endorsed a piece which promotes understanding and respect towards Muslim women.

          If a Muslim woman doesn’t ask you to be her voice or speak for her, don’t. If you wish to help a Muslim woman you feel is voiceless, help her get a voice. Never assume you have the right to speak on someone else’s behalf.

          Being an ally is the same as being a true friend: respecting my wishes, even if you may want something different for me; helping me when I need it, without thinking me helpless; and viewing me as an entire person.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  February 4, 2018

            I don’t suppose that many Muslim women give a stuff what ‘Corly’ thinks of them. He can’t spell his own name.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  February 4, 2018

              Oh you are awful! But I guess your identity gives you the right to be ‘catty’!

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 4, 2018

              I keep hoping that when that ghastly nosey parker in Hamiltontells a veiled lady that what she’s wearing is a symbol of female slavery, the veiled lady’s husband will hear-and that he is the former heavy-weight amateur boxing champion of his own country. Serve the old fool right.

              Total tangent-a group of muggers took on a British tourist in Florida. Too bad for them that he was the Welsh heavy-weight boxing champion and two at least ended up in hospital.

            • Corky

               /  February 4, 2018

              A sucker is born every moment. If you had just stuck to debating you’d have been alright. But you had to be a prat. That’s why I class you as a troll.

              Kindest Regards
              Corly

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 4, 2018

              I really don’t give a damn what someone like you thinks of me.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 4, 2018

              Troll=someone who doesn’t think as Corlky does.

            • Corky

               /  February 4, 2018

              Don’t lose it. Bye.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 4, 2018

              Lost; one Mind. Please return to Corky c/- YNZ, Urgently needed by owner.

          • Corky

             /  February 4, 2018

            ”As the article you’ve linked to contains no “slap in the face”

            It does.

            ”While the defence of the rights of Muslim women from all faiths and from all corners of the globe is laudable, it’s important to call non-Muslims out on their privileges and prejudices about Muslim women’s lives and manifestations of faith, and the arrogance in how they speak about and interact with Muslim women. ”

            That’s the arrogance I was talking of. Notice the liberty for us to hold opinions, for or against, is pissed on.? The right for us, to be us isn’t wanted. Got that, Infidel?

            ”If a Muslim woman doesn’t ask you to be her voice or speak for her, don’t. If you wish to help a Muslim woman you feel is voiceless, help her get a voice. Never assume you have the right to speak on someone else’s behalf.”

            “Being an ally is the same as being a true friend: respecting my wishes, even if you may want something different for me; helping me when I need it, without thinking me helpless; and viewing me as an entire person.“”

            Well, obviously that doesn’t apply to me. But it can to used to bash people like me. Hence
            my comment:

            ”Here’s a slap in the face for you..maybe me. We will just have to disagree.”

            Not the brightest star in the universe are you, Snowflake

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 4, 2018

              Lost; one sense of proportion. If found, please return to Corky, C/- YNZ,

            • phantom snowflake

               /  February 4, 2018

              I’m not bright enough to decipher that garbled mess, so I’ll confine myself to commenting on your first two lines. You misquote me by removing half of my sentence. I wasn’t claiming there was no “slap in the face”, just not one which relates to anything I said; in other words: your article which you replied with was irrelevant to my comment. Capiche?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 4, 2018

              What do you think, Phantom ? 😀

            • phantom snowflake

               /  February 4, 2018

              What do I think? I think I prefer it when “Corky” sticks to commenting about water divining, aliens, and parallel universes!

            • robertguyton

               /  February 4, 2018

              Corly? Corkly? Corky Cocky?
              Which is it?

  2. lurcher1948

     /  February 3, 2018

    A story of REAL importance…We went to purchase our Saturday bottle of wine and noticed Montana Sav Blanc cheap but i turned it over to check and it was the NEW Australian rubbish but whats worse it was water 12% .Marlborough Montana sac blanc was 13%.I think this is the end for this brand and the overseas owners will regret their stupidity. You dont replace quality with australian rubbish and not expect a backlash

    • Corky

       /  February 3, 2018

      Stick to cider, Lurchy. It’s better for your liver and your disposition. But you are right. Our wines are top shelf. Some of the best in the world. This corporate owner believes there is a market for cheap wine. They are wrong as far as New Zealand is concerned

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  February 3, 2018

      Agree, Lurch. Montana are shooting themselves in the foot. Their NZ growers will be looking for another brand that doesn’t aim for the supermarket bargain bin.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  February 3, 2018

        Surely all wine has a lot of water in it, it would have to. It can’t be 100% alcohol or 100% grapes or it would be thick and sticky.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  February 3, 2018

          As a non-drinker, I had to google the water in wine…it all has water in it.

  3. lurcher1948

     /  February 3, 2018

    I drink cheap wHine as we are pensioner and someone who got rid of bill english a two time loser.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  February 3, 2018

      Drink half as much and twice the quality, Lurch. You’ll feel better for it.

    • robertguyton

       /  February 3, 2018

      Thanks so much, lurcher1948 – you’ve done us all a valuable service and deserve to treat yourself.

  4. robertguyton

     /  February 4, 2018

    “Less than 24 hours before English’s speech, Standard & Poors delivered what is effectively an endorsement of the new Government’s direction.

    While the ratings agency was simply restating its existing rating and outlook for the New Zealand economy, it predicted more good times to come, with debt as a share of the economy slowly falling.”

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  February 4, 2018

      Obviously predicting Labour will continue to do nothing and Winston will not allow Grant to do anything.