‘Labour Cycles’ transport policy

This popped up on Twitter:

Warnock may be a bit optimistic thinking that ‘everyone should be able to sign up to’ those statements. The second statement seems ok, but the first is political tosh and the third is very party specific.

But it turns out that Labour Cycles is a UK Labour thing:

Labour Cycles is a group of Labour members and representatives committed to ensuring that everyone has the ability to be involved in active travel.

We want to see a national manifesto that delivers high quality protected cycling infrastructure across the UK and an increased share of the UK transport budget.

Most people already have “the ability to be involved in active travel” – called legs. Cycling is another way of being active when travelling, but “high quality protected cycling infrastructure across the UK” is an extremely lofty aim.

However this sort of idealism may be seen more here, with the Greens being keen on promoting safer cycling infrastructure.

Recreational cycle trails around the country are becoming very popular.

The difficulty is in shifting commuters from cars to cycles.

A lot has been spent in Dunedin on installing cycleways  on main thoroughfares. Initial designs proved to be dangerous – placing cramped cycle lanes beside heavy traffic on urban state highways was a crazy approach. So they are scrapping that approach and spending a lot more money separating the cycle lanes.

This will be safer for cyclists, but there is scant sign of people taking to biking in any numbers. I occasionally see a cyclist or two on the main cycle lanes in Dunedin. People are sticking to cars, and now have to compete with fewer car parks as these are converted into cycleways.

It isn’t as simple as putting in safer cycleways – I have biked to work in the past, but apart from a bloody big hill to contend with now I don’t have showering facilities at work so it isn’t practical for me to cycle, even when the weather is ok in the summer.

‘Build them and they will come’ has not worked when it comes to cycleways.

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39 Comments

  1. Blazer

     /  February 5, 2018

    Cycleways were a conerstone Key policy were they not…another…fail.

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    • The tourism cycleways promoted by Key (and the Greens) have largely been successful – they are recreational, where there is a lot of interest in cycling.

      The failure is in commuting cycleways. They have been more local council initiatives.

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      • Sunny

         /  February 5, 2018

        In many parts of Auckland the footpaths are largely unused anyways. . In low use areas with high speeds and dangerous roads (eg. , rural or transit areas) just allow the cyclists to use the footpaths slowly and at an appropriate speed and share with care.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  February 5, 2018

          I can’t see myself cycling up my hilly road, unless I went via the walkway and then I’d have a steep bridge at the end.

          I haven’t ridden a bike since I was in my teens and don’t intend to start now. If people want bikes, and many do, they don’t need to be told by Labour to do so. How very PC. ‘
          I remember being nearly skittled quite a few times in Belgium on the narrow pavements which were shared by bikes and even motorbikes as riders raced around corners with no warning.The pedestrian had to leap into the road.Share with care sounds good, but it doesn’t always work.

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          • Sunny

             /  February 5, 2018

            True. But someone has to share. Either cycles with cars. Or cycles with pedestrians. Or get rid of street trees and onstreet parking and dedicated high cost cycleway. Sometimes depending on the environment, the cyclist has more in common with the pedestrian than a car. Most cyclists use common sense based on the speed they want to travel. If they are fast commuter cyclists they use the road . Middle aged lady on winding country motorway – choose the footpath.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 5, 2018

              Motorcycles on town pavements, especially the narrow Flemish ones, are a real menace. I wouldn’t want to begin cycling again now. It’s been too long.

              The thought of cutting down trees is abhorrent.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 5, 2018

              At one point, there isn’t one. The street is old and has some odd things. People have to haul their bikes up some steps or go around a blind corner on the edge of the road.

    • robertguyton

       /  February 5, 2018

      Bikes and cornerstones – ouch!

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  February 5, 2018

        Was that a typo for cobblestones ? Ouch indeed. And ouch as the unlucky pedestrian had to do a Usein Bolt sprint to avoid being hit by a bike or motorbike going full bore.

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    • Trevors_elbow

       /  February 5, 2018

      Bitter much? Keys national cycleways aimed at tourists/tourism have been successful.

      What has your contribution been… except bile and snide?

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  2. robertguyton

     /  February 5, 2018

    Wasn’t therte a “jobs summit” or summit?

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  3. robertguyton

     /  February 5, 2018

    there

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  4. Zedd

     /  February 5, 2018

    For a country that reportedly ‘prides itself’ as: Clean, Green 100% Pure.. the reality is far from this, with >90% who only walk from their front door to their car door & think bicycles are for kids, nerds & greenies etc.

    btw: I do not own a car & I do walk & take public transport.. I used to cycle too (but, my bike needs repair) :/

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  February 5, 2018

      I have no problem with folk doing what they want to. I have a big problem with idiots telling me what I should do.

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      • Gezza

         /  February 5, 2018

        You should tell Zedd to get his bike fixed.

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        • Pickled Possum

           /  February 5, 2018

          ” On Yer Bike Zedd ” they said. 😎

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  February 5, 2018

          I don’t tell people what they should do. Sometimes I tell them what I would do.

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          • Gezza

             /  February 5, 2018

            🤔 What would you do if it was your bike ?

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 5, 2018

              Give it to someone who needs it.

            • Gezza

               /  February 5, 2018

              Who needs a broken bike?

            • Blazer

               /  February 5, 2018

              he would SELL it…to someone else.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 5, 2018

              @G, someone who could get it fixed or fix it themselves but couldn’t afford to buy one.

            • Gezza

               /  February 5, 2018

              You’ll have to get your bike fixed Zedd. Al’s no bloody use to you.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 5, 2018

              Give me a break, Sir Gerald. I’m trying to fix his head, not his bike.

      • Corky

         /  February 5, 2018

        I’ll stick to my car. If walking and cycling has done that to Zedd, no thanks.

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    • Zedd

       /  February 6, 2018

      Interesting; I got 2 downticks.. BUT 12 ‘responses’ to my ONE comment of this issue.. LOL 😀

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  5. Gerrit

     /  February 5, 2018

    When a cycle lane is provided (thinking Auckland Tamaki Drive specifically here), the cyclist wont use it as they have to “share” with pedestrians. There was a cyclist death on Tamaki Drive a while back (cyclist versus truck) were a designated cycle lane was but a metre away from the accident.

    If a cycle lane is provided and one chooses not to ride in it, don’t blame anyone but yourself if it turns to custard.

    Mind you now that the cycle lanes are not being used by cyclists, the motorbike, scooter and moped user are using them, so cyclist may never feel save in these either.

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    • Kevin

       /  February 5, 2018

      It’s more that cycle lanes are seen as being for “amateurs” while the real “pros” use the road.

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  February 5, 2018

      The so called “cycle lanes” on Tamaki Drive are a disgrace though. They are riddled with cracks and tree routes that makes a mountain bike a necessity.
      It is a(nother) example of good intentions being undone by woeful execution.

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      • High Flying Duck

         /  February 5, 2018

        tree roots…

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      • Gerrit

         /  February 5, 2018

        True, but like motorist have to drive to prevailing road conditions, so should cyclist ride to the prevailing conditions of the cycle lanes. Problem is the lycra racing set don’t want to share with pedestrians and the slower kids on bikes. If people want to ride their bikes really fast then Pukekohe or Hamston Downs tracks are available for hire.

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    • phantom snowflake

       /  February 5, 2018

      Part of the problem with Tamaki Drive is that due to erratic/infrequent maintenance and repair, parts of the designated cycle lane are close to unusable at times.

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    • Blazer

       /  February 5, 2018

      ‘If a cycle lane is provided and one chooses not to ride in it, don’t blame anyone but yourself if it turns to custard. ‘….????

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