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  1. robertguyton

     /  February 5, 2018

    Jane Bowron on the Nat “Possibles” (harsh!)
    “If only Bridges could be understood and stop speaking as if he’s got a hot potato rolling round his mouth trying to cool it before swallowing. The party faithful should whip round to hire the expertise of the equivalent of Lionel Logue​, King George VI’s speech and language therapist, so what Simon Says can be heard.

    As for the notion that Crusher Collins will lurch forward from the back benches to take the lead, she has way too much baggage, her haters suspecting that she was not only linked to the damaged Auckland fuel pipeline, but she was probably at the wheel of the digger that did it.

    Collins is too long in the tooth and it will be Bridges, Nikki Kaye or Amy Adams vying, as the Opposition tries to young itself up to compete with the prime of Jacinda Ardern. And younging it up is hard for a party where even the Young Nats come across as having zimmer frames of the soul.”

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    • Gezza

       /  February 5, 2018

      Nikki Kaye is too whiny. Adams is not very smart. Bridges gets on ya nerves. Who else have they got?

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    • Corky

       /  February 5, 2018

      Having some fun there, Robert. Enjoy yourself. But please remember three years is a long time in politics.

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  2. robertguyton

     /  February 5, 2018

    “To now stem the talk of English’s leadership, an adjustment has to be seen to be made and someone has to be sacrificed, and that person will probably be the deputy leader. Paula Bennett has increasingly, of late, been referred to as “Mrs Bennett”, which to those steeped in the novels of Jane Austen conjures up one of her silliest characters, the pea-brained matriarch of the Bennet family in Pride and Prejudice.

    During the election campaign Bennett became highly jocular and seemed to be afflicted by a nervous tick of giggling, any small amusement setting her off in gales of mysterious laughter.”

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    • Gezza

       /  February 5, 2018

      Bennett’s got no class & lets her temper & an ancient clown get to her too easily. Goneburger.

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  3. Corky

     /  February 5, 2018

    Even Hone has to acknowledge Ngapuhi is in disarray. How could he say otherwise. A lefty government is in power. If it had been National they would all be racist pricks.

    .http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/02/hone-harawira-speaks-out-over-jacinda-ardern-s-waitangi-decision.html

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    • phantom snowflake

       /  February 5, 2018

      Your insinuation that the ‘lefty government’ decided not to attend Te Tii Marae is false, as your own article shows:
      The decision for the powhiri to bypass Te Tii Marae was made by the Waitangi National Trust
      You must have been salivating at this story as it appeared to allow you to bash Ngapuhi and the Government at the same time. But. Fail.

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      • Corky

         /  February 5, 2018

        As usual, you get in such a lather, you miss the point. Who decided what is of no importance.
        The fact is Labour gets the easier ride with Hone, not National.

        Please refrain from commenting to me. I feel guilty showing you up as the troll you are.

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        • phantom snowflake

           /  February 5, 2018

          No, I know you enjoy the illusion of “showing me up”, and it would be unkind of me to deny you that.

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          • Gezza

             /  February 5, 2018

            He’s right that Labour is getting an easier ride than National but they are showing more of an inclination to korero & to listen to Maori than National did, & they’ve got all the Maori seats. Hone won’t change his approach & will likely continue to aggravate rather than achieve anything.

            However Labour is being given a honeymoon period. Listening, upping benefits, & making vague aspirational promises won’t be enough.

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            • Pickled Possum

               /  February 5, 2018

              Gezza did you listen to Hone korero with Duncan… if not maybe you should. Hone speaks a truth that Maori understand an non-maori get confused about.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  February 5, 2018

              It’s hardly news that Hone Harawira would be more favourable towards Labour than towards National. Here’s Martyn Bradbury going OTT with:

              Waitangi Day 2018 – The joy of a leader who understands the Treaty, Māori will vote Jacinda forever & how Iwi Leaders have to acknowledge the political rise of Urban Māori
              https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2018/02/05/waitangi-day-2018-the-joy-of-a-leader-who-understands-the-treaty-maori-will-vote-jacinda-forever-how-iwi-leaders-have-to-acknowledge-the-political-rise-of-urban-maori/

            • Corky

               /  February 5, 2018

              Hey, Pickles, cuz. I forgot to ask you the last time we had a short sharp korero- do you have any ghost stories to tell? I would be interested in something from Ngapuhi country. Please, though. not the one about the tapu tree on the Waitangi treaty grounds.

            • Gezza

               /  February 5, 2018

              @ Possum.
              Yes, I did listen. The player crashed twice on the FiP but I persisted. I understand where Hone is coming from. For him that is quite a diplomatic korero. One thing he does say in there is that Ngapuhi needs to resolve its approach to the settlement & governance. But solutions will need to involve compromises & from my perspective he is not good at that, not even among Ngapuhi. And that is reflected in Mana’s electoral fortunes.

            • David

               /  February 5, 2018

              With all due respect Gezza National brought the Maori party into government because it was a good thing to do. They have settled lord knows how many treaty claims with little fuss and utmost respect. Maori are now consulted on pretty much everything and as witnessed here in Christchurch nothing gets done without Ngai Tahu giving the nod.
              I think Key and English treated Turia and Sharples with an amazing amount of respect and getting very little political support from Maori or the Maori Party who voted against them more times than with.

            • Gezza

               /  February 5, 2018

              I agree with most of that David but Maori Party lost the support they had among their people, & Labour has been given majority Maori electorate support for now. Expectations will be high.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  February 5, 2018

              I think the issue is “Maori” or whatever subgroup is treated by the media as a proxy for a diverse people, still look to the Government to solve their issues.
              They will be let down again, as they ask the impossible.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  February 5, 2018

            The Daily Blog has the date wrong-it is the 5th of February, (5/02 not the 2nd of May (2/05)

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 5, 2018

              Gezza, HAVE they upped benefits ? There seems little going for single people who are treated as invisible, only good for subbing families-even ones on immensely larger incomes than the singles.

  4. Corky

     /  February 5, 2018

    I see Mikey mentioned today what I thought may happen a while back…immigrants heading home as our economy closes shop while other global economies strengthen.

    All grist for the mill as this band of merry socialists head towards their first non -budget.

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  5. Gezza

     /  February 5, 2018

    What kind of prat would think a budget is a non-budget?

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    • Corky

       /  February 5, 2018

      A socialist prat with no money in the coffers.

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    • Corky

       /  February 5, 2018

      Sorry, that was meant to be a stand alone comment. I got a little too excited seeing the side of a barn.

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      • Gezza

         /  February 5, 2018

        Too late. I won.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  February 5, 2018

          It doesn’t take much to excite Corky, does it ?

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          • Gezza

             /  February 5, 2018

            Can take as little as chlorinated water.

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          • Corky

             /  February 5, 2018

            Depends on my biorhythm, Kitty. Did you know most pilots make errors when their biorhythm cycles are on a triple low? Let’s plot yours so I know when you are going to lose it ( emotional cycle).

            https://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/tef/biorhythm.html

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 5, 2018

              You’ll be waiting for a while-don’t assume that everyone else is as lacking in self-control as you are. I am not remotely interested in your biorythm.

            • Corky

               /  February 5, 2018

              That’s a pity. ACC is. Or was. Its been a while since I was talking to their rep. Armies, Corporates also. But of course you would say, ”so what.”
              Ignorance is bliss I guess.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 5, 2018

              If ignorance were bliss in itself, you would be prancing around singing ‘I’m H-A-P-P-Y !’ all day.

              The quotation is, of course, ‘…where ignorance is bliss/’Tis folly to be wise.’ Thomas Gray was not saying that ignorance-and the word has changed its shade of meaning in the time since he wrote that-is a good thing in itself. he was referring to the fact that sometimes it is better not to know something. He doesn’t mean that total ignorance is bliss, as people who are ignorant of the source of the quotation, which is part of a poem, and take a few words out of context imagine.

              Why on earth do you imagine that anyone is interested in your dealings with ACC ? I think that the other two can be dismissed as fantasy. We have all had some sort of dealing with ACC, but the idea that they are really interested in any given client is just conceit.

            • Corky

               /  February 5, 2018

              ”The quotation is, of course, ‘…where ignorance is bliss/’Tis folly to be wise.”

              I don’t know that quotation, nor am I interested. I wasn’t quoting. I said
              ” ignorance is bliss.” I could have said:

              1- Ignorance is uncool.
              2- Ignorance is living in a cocoon.
              3- Ignorance is blind.
              4- Ignorance is Ignorance.
              5- Ignorance is archaic English written on a blog.
              6- Ignorance is spelt LABOUR.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 5, 2018

              You must have heard that before, you must, It’s said all the the time by people who are so ignorant that they don’t know the origin or context.

              English is not archaic unless it is no longer in use.

              When you say armies-were you once a sniper trainer for the SAS.? I seem to remember that you were,

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 5, 2018

              Nobody takes biorythms seriously-it’s pseudoscience and has been thoroughly discredited.It’s a fraud.

  6. Gezza

     /  February 5, 2018

    One word. Taxwerkinggroup.

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    • Gezza

       /  February 5, 2018

      Even a government which has committed all its income has to produce a budget – & it has access to Treasury gnomes whose job it is to figure out where its income can be sourced, allocations tinkered with, & the axe can fall. They may end up producing a budget & a taxation regime we’re not happy with, but they WILL produce a budget.

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  7. lurcher1948

     /  February 5, 2018

    Some of the females on another blog don’t like our fresh new FEMALE PM Jacinda, rather catty and petty i think

    waikatogirl
    Some females Happy. The rest of us can see through her bullshit.

    Thumb up 13 Thumb down 1 REPORTFEBRUARY 5, 2018 9:51AM
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    KKKKatee
    Not my vote. I saw right through her bullshit from the beginning……
    “Lipstick on the pig” indeed……

    Thumb up 12 Thumb down 1 REPORTFEBRUARY 5, 2018 10:34AM

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    • Corky

       /  February 5, 2018

      Waikatogirl.

      To be fair, Lurchy, bovine flatulence gas is rife in that area.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  February 5, 2018

        I don’t like her-can’t stand her-but that lipstick on a pig thing is so old it has long white whiskers. But people keep trotting it out as if they think that it’s witty and original when it’s neither.

        Her girly giggling and hugging lacks dignity. She is the country’s leader (God help us) not the captain of the school netball team.

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      • Corky

         /  February 5, 2018

        Take two:

        To be fair, Lurchy, bovine flatulence is rife in that area.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  February 5, 2018

          Ha ha.Funny joke. Now will you stop saying it ?

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          • Corky

             /  February 5, 2018

            Please, Kitty. Put your feet up. Have a cuppa. You are starting to sound like
            Mike C when she became wound up. It wasn’t a joke. Just a worthless post to mirror Lurchy’s vacuous comments.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 5, 2018

              I assumed that you thought it was so funny that you would repeat it until someone acknowledged it, as as a small child would do. My response was weary contempt, that witless comment wasn’t worth anyone getting worked up about-don’t flatter yourself.

              So you were around when Mike C was ? Were you called Corky then ?

            • Corky

               /  February 5, 2018

              You were around from the beginning…interesting. Yes, I went back before Pete deleted the posts.

  8. Alan Wilkinson

     /  February 5, 2018

    Waitangi gravy boat pulled into the Duke for lunch today and all the suited bigwigs paddled ashore. Woke to the sound of the ugliest navy boat on the planet, HMNZS Canterbury, sounding her foghorn until the mist lifted. Navy band was playing on the Paihia waterfront yesterday. No parks in town – stay away.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  February 5, 2018

      Alan! How unpatriotic of you! I thought at least you’d show allegiance to the MONEY coming ashore …?

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  February 5, 2018

        Why is money patriotic ? That’s senseless,

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  February 5, 2018

        According to an unreliable witness, my wife, many of the penguins and lady penguins seemed to be invited foreign dignitaries from the Pacific and Asia. I think it was mostly taxpayers’ money coming ashore.

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        • PartisanZ

           /  February 5, 2018

          Really Alan … you believe businesses should distinguish between taxpayers’ and [so-called] privately-earned money in their transactions with people …?

          And perhaps be especially wary of “taxpayers’ money” from the Pacific and Asia?

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  February 5, 2018

            ?? I have no idea what you are on about, PZ, or why it is relevant to the political shindigs of Waitangi Day and the favoured guests thereof.

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  9. lurcher1948

     /  February 5, 2018

    Andrew Dickinson newstalkZB/NZME host on at the moment is demonizing PM Jacinda Adern, if i was her i would say to the rightwing NZME you can get our policies on STUFF;) and suck the oxygen out of mike hosking,his wife and the other AltRight hosts like larry williams…NZME an enemy of the workers since forever…

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  February 5, 2018

      Sounds more like an enemy of retirees with a dog named Red, Lurch.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  February 5, 2018

        REDs SPCA name was Roger, i liked it but think (Roger and out) in dog agility,My wife thought a name change was appropriate as it could sound like a fighter scene from WW2 thats a tunnel roger etc…

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  February 5, 2018

          Yes, I can see the problems, Lurch. When I remarried we had two dogs called Gemma so the smaller one had to get renamed to Tinkerbell. Didn’t take too long for her to get used to it.

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          • Gezza

             /  February 5, 2018

            That explains it. Still in a huff imo.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 5, 2018

              I’d have liked to hear an agility dog being addressed as Roger ‘Roger and Out’.

              He may have liked the idea that his new life came with a new name.

              I had a cat called Mrs Gummidge, as we failed to notice that he was a tom until it was too late and he was stuck with the name. He didn’t mind at all. As a formerly abused cat, he would have put up with worse than being called Mrs Gummidge.The apology for a man who’d kicked him so hard that he’d broken a lot of bones and left them to heal as best they might didn’t sour Mrs G’s sweet nature.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 5, 2018

              Gezza, does it seem to you that pooks are taking over from kiwis as the bird symbol of NZ ? They seem to be more and more visible-I mean on bags and t-shirts and one is now seen prancing across the screen at the end of the Briscoes ad. I don’t know if this one is a regular or just on this ad. When I bought a tote bag with pooks on it some years ago, it wasn’t a very common design. Now it is. Of course, the fonder people become of these funny birds, the less likely they are to be got rid of as pests 😀

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 5, 2018

              Tinkerbell is a very discriminating girl. She knows whose opinion and behaviour can be trusted, Sir Gerald.

            • Gezza

               /  February 5, 2018

              She’s got a very snooty disposition, Sir Alan.
              😉

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 5, 2018

              She’s a well- brought up girl who doesn’t trust shifty looking aristocrats, Sir Gerald.

  10. lurcher1948

     /  February 5, 2018

    Maybe someone on newstalkZB can explain to New Zealanders what a liberal snowfake is?.Is andrew employed by fox,is NZME a branch of the Alt Right fox??? so many questions

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  11. Corky

     /  February 5, 2018

    Damn..those Jew boys know how to deal with Islamic nutters. Let’s hope when our time comes we can do similar without having a powhiri, kai and parliamentary inquiry.

    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/02/got-problem-isis-no-probs-get-israelis-sort-like-egypt/

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  February 5, 2018

      Jew boys is a racist insult, but of course you know that. Or perhaps you are not well-read enough to know it.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  February 5, 2018

        Jewboy (the usual spelling) is akin to nigger or wop.

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        • Corky

           /  February 5, 2018

          Please…you are being silly now.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  February 5, 2018

            Google Jewboy as a racist slur and say that. It has always been used as an offensive term by the ignorant. In recent times it seems to have been reclaimed, like queer, but for a goy to use it is still not all right. Meshuggeneh. You use words whose meaning you don’t know.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 5, 2018

              Maybe not everywhere, Kitty. My wife went to school with a lot of Jews in Cape Town and uses the term affectionately. She has great respect for them in her profession as well there.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 5, 2018

              It may be affectionate there, but its history is anything but and I find it hard to believe that Corky uses it affectionately.

            • Corky

               /  February 5, 2018

              She’s on a crusade and is being pedantic. Probably because she is receiving as good as she gives.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 5, 2018

              Oh, you really are too absurd for words. You are like the obnoxious, ridiculous Oliver who used to make such a pest of himself and had such a good opinion of himself.. Getting as good as I give ? From YOU ? YOU ? As people used to say-‘dream on.’

            • Corky

               /  February 5, 2018

              Kitty, you forget. You always come after me. What do you expect? Be a prat with me and you know what you will get. Seems like there is a simple solution. Comment to people who actually like you. I don’t.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 5, 2018

              That is too ridiculous. 😀 You have a totally exaggerated idea of how much interest people take in you :D. Can’t you find a word other than the totally overused ‘prat’ ?

            • Corky

               /  February 5, 2018

              Kitty Catkin / February 5, 2018
              ”It doesn’t take much to excite Corky, does it ?”

              See the problem? You take an interest in me. Yes, you are right about prat. Time for something new. Thankfully I have an imagination to come up with something new. Now please, relax. We are filling this thread up with inanities I don’t have other identities to fall back on should Pete give me the chop.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 5, 2018

              Why ? Have you run out of them ?

            • Gezza

               /  February 5, 2018

              Stop playing with your prey Kitty. Either finish it off or let it get away.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 5, 2018

              Sorry. It keeps squeaking and asking for more.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  February 5, 2018

              Sometimes I pass the time trawling through Your NZ archives. This one was fun to read.
              https://yournz.org/2016/02/23/little-slams-scumbag/

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 5, 2018

              I had forgotten that-the man who had lost his son (hideous tragedy like all the quake deaths) but who got off on hardcore kiddieporn (making other people’s children into victims) using that as an excuse.

              Yes, it was certainly interesting !

            • Gezza

               /  February 5, 2018

              Very interesting, snowy. Whatever became of Timoti, I wonder?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 5, 2018

              And a few others. Some of us are the Old Girls and Old Boys of YNZ.

            • Gezza

               /  February 5, 2018

              Oh well. Perhaps Timoti has other identities to fall back on.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 6, 2018

              He makes shampoo, doesn’t he ?

            • Gezza

               /  February 6, 2018

              Midnight. Kitty wins again

    • Corky

       /  February 5, 2018

      Those young sheilas realise they have never had it so good, thanks to President Trumpy. They are showing their gratitude to an Alpha Male.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  February 5, 2018

      Looks like they were all having fun, Lurch. Should be a law against it.

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      • Corky

         /  February 5, 2018

        Lol.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  February 5, 2018

        There will be, soon, Alan. Young women are too stupid to know when they are being exploited as sex objects, so feminists (so-called) have to decide this for them and stop them. They think that they are having a good time as grid girls and so on, but they haven’t the intelligence to decide such things for themselves. Cheerleaders are bound to be in the firing line soon.

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