National caucus retreat

National MPs are heading to a two day retreat in Tauranga to ‘build on policies’. Note that it is ‘a retreat’ and not ‘retreat’.

It’s a long way out from the next election to be building on policies, they have plenty of time and opportunity to do that. I expect they will spend some time on their strategies as an Opposition party as well.

RNZ: Nats retreat a chance to build on policies – English

The getaway in Tauranga – the party’s first since its election loss – is a chance for MPs to take stock of their performance and plan for the year ahead.

 

In a statement, Mr English said the retreat would focus on “building on the policies which received such significant support at the election” and devising new policies.

“[The] National Party will continue to outline a clear plan and direction to make that happen as we attempt to earn the right to govern again in 2020.

“By contrast, the new government has just spent five days in Waitangi and not presented a single specific idea on how to improve the lives of New Zealanders – a pattern which has quickly emerged since October.”

He said National was Parliament’s largest party and its “most popular”.

Mr English said last week he did not expect any leadership discussion over the two-day meeting.

“If anything, a bit of a burst of speculation like this has probably hardened up support,” he said.

There appears to be a bit of political mischief involved in the ‘speculation’.

It comes after a series of reports last week that some in the party were agitating for a change in command.

While leader Bill English appeared on safe ground, some National MPs privately told RNZ there was discontent about deputy Paula Bennett.

Some MPs met last night at the home of local MP Simon Bridges for a BBQ ahead of the retreat at Trinity Wharf Hotel. It’s understood the dinner was organised by Mrs Bennett.

 

A political BBQ is often associated, rightly or wrongly, with flaming of leaders.

I doubt there will be any serious challenges to English while he chooses to remain in charge, but Barry Soper continues to stoke things along for someone.

Newstalk ZB: Resignations predicted from National

There are expected to be resignations from National Party MPs in the near future, as turmoil in the party continues.

Turmoil? It would have been a big surprise if some National MPs didn’t resign this term.

Newstalkzb Political editor Barry Soper says that alongside MPs will be at least four candidates who’re next on the party list.

“That would strongly indicate that MPs are planning to resign, with former speaker David Carter and former Treaty negotiations minister Chris Finlayson the most likely,” he says.

Or it could simply indicate the prudent inclusion of peeople on the list who are likely to become MPs over the next two and a half years.

The caucuses annual photograph, planned for early March, has also been postponed, a further sign, Soper says, of impending resignations.

Really? Soper seems to be trying to read tea leaves, forgetting that tea bags took over decades ago.

Soper says that there seems to be a refusal amongst party insiders to accept they lost the election.

Are they calling for a recount? Are they calling for renegotiations of a coalition? Are they calling for the impeachment of Jacinda Ardern?  Are National MPs trying to sit on the wrong side of the House?

I have often seen claims of “a refusal amongst party insiders to accept they lost the election”, but with no evidence.

“Until they get over the loss and their dislike of Winston Peters, the party will find it hard to move on and analyse how they blew it by alienating the New Zealand First leader.

National successfully alienated Peters in 2014, and unsuccessfully tried to bury NZ First in 2017. You win some and lose some in politics.

Any party that has been in power for nine years has some difficulty ‘moving on’ and getting used to being relatively irrelevant and powerless – Labour took nearly nine years after their loss in 2008.

The impression I got was that English and National looked resigned to losing power once Peters became pivotal in deciding who would lead the government last year, as if they viewed it as there time was up. And there may have been some relief that they dodged a bullet.

They have a lot of work to do to establish themselves as an effective opposition and prepare themselves for the next election.

However in the main National’s future is reliant on the performance of the current Government. If Ardern and peters do reasonably well, and the Greens hang in there, it will be their election to win or lose in 2020, and National won’t be able to do much about it, no matter who their leader is.

The retreat in Tauranga is a small step on their way to holding things together until they get another shot at taking over.

 

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44 Comments

  1. Any guesses how many anti-English posts there will be at Whale Oil before English steps down? Hint: there were at least three yesterday, and there are 365 days in a year.

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  2. Trevors_elbow

     /  February 8, 2018

    Red Barry….as credible as…. Blazer…. so not much.

    The Nats know they need unity right now and if/when a leadership change is needed it will happen quickly and efficiently. And Mr Soper will be one of the last to know.

    Carter leaving wouldnt be a surprise… some talent that is ready to come in, is there waiting…

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  3. Blazer

     /  February 8, 2018

    ‘ some talent that is ready to come in, is there waiting…’..spill..don’t be..shy now.

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  5. Gezza

     /  February 8, 2018

    National may have a bit of a problem finding new policies to counter all those Labour has adopted as theirs because they look workable.

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    • PDB

       /  February 8, 2018

      The new govt is currently running the country as National was hence the continued good economic news – the only real difference thus far being the reallocation of money from legislated tax cuts.

      National will have much to get their teeth into once Labour ramp up spending, pay back their union mates with outdated workplace legislation, and are forced to go into the next election on a platform of much increased taxes.

      NZL First will struggle to make it into parliament next election and I’d expect the Maori party to be back into parliament in some form. The key for National will be in finding (helping create?) a likely political ally in the centre of the political divide like a United future, TOP or NZL First that could possibly eat into the Labour vote. ACT is of little use (outside of winning electorate seats) as increasing their party vote does nothing to increase the overall centre-right vote.

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      • PartisanZ

         /  February 10, 2018

        @PDB – “ACT is of little use (outside of winning electorate seats) …”

        Correction: ACT is of little use (outside of winning ONE electorate seat) … at the behest of National …

        If National decide to take Epsom themselves, which they could easily do, ACT is gone!

        I actually think that would be a shame. While Seymour may not be the voice of social responsibility, he is a strong voice for personal freedom, ie cannabis & end-of-life-choice …

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  6. Westie Bob

     /  February 8, 2018

    I think the best thing National could do would be to create an environment party. Blue/Green would give environmentalists an alternative to the Greens and even if it does nothing but dilute the green vote it would still be advantageous to National.

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    • PDB

       /  February 8, 2018

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Green_Party_(New_Zealand)

      “The Party was established on 9 August 1995 as a splinter group of the larger Green Party.

      The founders of the Progressive Greens were unhappy at the direction taken by the Green Party, which they believed was too left-wing.The Progressive Greens particularly opposed the Green Party’s membership in the Alliance, a broad left-wing coalition. The party was led by environmental businessman Rob Fenwick (Living Earth Ltd) and included prominent environmentalists including Stephen Rainbow (a former Wellington city councillor), Guy Salmon (head of the Maruia Society, forerunner to today’s Ecologic Foundation), and Gary Taylor (a former Waitemata city councillor).

      In the 1996 election, conducted under the new MMP system, the Progressive Green Party won 0.26% of the vote, considerably below what they had hoped for, and had no members elected to Parliament. The Party did not contest any further elections, and eventually disbanded.”

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      • Westie Bob

         /  February 9, 2018

        I think that now a lot more people know the “Green” party for what it really is – a far left party using the green tag to gain a voter base.

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      • robertguyton

         /  February 10, 2018

        You’re obsessing, PDB. It’s unhealthy for you and I feel your health will suffer seriously as The Greens achieve more and more over the next 8-plus years. Before the historic Greens-led Government is elected. At which point, you’ll disappear in a puff of smoke, for Shaw!

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        • I know you hippies embrace all manner of new age religiosity and all that, but constantly employing a crystal ball on the future of your beloved Greens WILL impact your credibility Mr Guyton.

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          • robertguyton

             /  February 10, 2018

            I can’t believe you managed to find that particular photo of me, Traveller! Taken before my beard came in and at a time when I was earning a sizeable income from my astute predictions (John Key was a keen customer), it does show off my mesmerising eyes very well, donchathink?

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        • PDB

           /  February 10, 2018

          As usual you miss the point Robert – Blue-Green has been done before and failed hence we are stuck with the 99% red/1% Green party.

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          • robertguyton

             /  February 10, 2018

            “Blue-Green has been done before…” – yes, PDM, by the Nats, hence it’s lead-balloon fate. They simply can’t do hobbit, being orcs.

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    • Zedd

       /  February 10, 2018

      @WB

      There has been much talk of a ‘Blue/Green’ party; (inc. TOP).. already claimed by some in Natl & a few in the Greens. BUT it seems the only reason why Natl are currently interested in this idea, is to try & split up the new Govt. by trying to attract/break up the Greens ?

      IF Natl are ‘true to form’ then the whole idea of ‘Blue/Greens’ is anathema. You cant focus on money/profits first, if you are genuinely concerned about looking after the Environment & social justice too. 😦

      They had 9 loooooong years to prove a commitment to this idea & did NOTHING !!

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  7. Blazer

     /  February 9, 2018

    misleading header…amend…’National in…retreat’.

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  8. Patzcuaro

     /  February 10, 2018
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  9. Blazer

     /  February 10, 2018

    Soimin ‘oil slick’ Bridges…would be ..great.

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    • His accent may be broad, but imho he only mangles his words as much as “absoloodely, poverdy, pleece” Jacinda. The PM by the way, wore skinny denims and a crumpled top to meet Julie Bishop. Not a good look at all

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      • Corky

         /  February 10, 2018

        Please tell me that’s a photoshop image. Was this an official function?

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        • Sorry Corky, yes it was. Stuff, Herald have cropped her wrinkled knee denims out of picture, but Bishop has tweeted it in its entirety. It’s almost unbelievable that she could look so unkempt. Like most of us I spend half my life in jeans and cotton tops, but I cannot imagine turning up to meet a representative of a government I had maligned so badly looking much like a bag lady( albeit with good hair). She never wears this sort of stuff in the House, so subconscious or not, it’s disrespectful.

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          • PartisanZ

             /  February 10, 2018

            Jacinda is more progressive than I thought … Good for her!

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          • Gezza

             /  February 10, 2018

            Look at their faces trav. That’s a nice photo & those smiles look genuine to me.

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            • Winston had to clear the path first. Jacinda has caused huge grief over there. I can smile like that too. Don’t for a minute think that this relationship is fixed. After Jacinda’s disregard for them, her insanity in continuously rabbiting on about the Manus men, she’s got a long way to go.

              The Oz media isn’t letting her off. New Zealand is a direct beneficiary of Australia’s border protection operations and Oz sources say tha people-smugglers had been “very busy in marketing and promoting New Zealand as a destination recently”.The Australian revealed that asylum-seekers aboard a boat intercepted by a naval patrol just before Christmas had told immigration officials that smugglers had informed them their destination was New ­Zealand. This followed the disruption by Sri Lankan authorities of two other people-smuggling ventures destined for New Zealand.

              She’s made trouble and those smiles are merely superficial.

            • Gezza

               /  February 10, 2018

              Girls eh?

            • Blazer

               /  February 10, 2018

              ‘. I can smile like that too. ‘…I wish you would…your O.C.D re Ardern is ludicrous.Maybe she needs to pop into a Parnell Café and smile at the…patrons,=a recipe for everlasting adoration…apparently.

            • Gezza

               /  February 10, 2018

              Oh yes, I think most sane people would agree Jacinda’s made a complete mess with the Manus thing. No argument with you there.

            • Gezza

               /  February 10, 2018

              Hang on, I’ll have a closer look at the faces…

          • Gezza

             /  February 10, 2018

            Hmm. Julie’s is a bit of a worry. It’s the eyes. Ok. Maybe just finger food for these two. No cutlery.

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      • Blazer

         /  February 10, 2018

        the only real difference is..the footwear.

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        • Anna Wintour will have a fit. Maybe Vogue will pull her March stint

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        • Corky

           /  February 10, 2018

          No, the the difference is a poor attitude bolstered by bs she’s being told about her pregnancy. She may believe she has an excuse.

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          • Blazer

             /  February 10, 2018

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            • PartisanZ

               /  February 10, 2018

              Great catharsis … for her … except that without another person, a human companion-listener-reflector or counselor, it may just embed and self-justify whatever it is she’s really upset about … rather than heal it …?

              The danger of social media catharsis rather than social catharsis …?

              Might mean nothing at all to Brittany or even about Brittany?

        • Wished you’d never mentioned the shoes. Ghastly

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          • robertguyton

             /  February 10, 2018

            First it was gloves, now it’s shoes – you’re so deep Traveller!

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            • Gezza

               /  February 10, 2018

              Be fair. I think the gloves one was Kitty. Look, robert, leave it alone. It’s a girl thing.

            • Don’t know anything about gloves, but I’m well used to the abusers here thanks Gezza. There two of them and they prefer ad hominem and bashing posters rather than just sticking to public figures.

          • Blazer

             /  February 10, 2018

            ‘ghastly’!…OMG..too much Moggy ..speak.

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