Media watch – Monday

12 February 2018

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  1. Blazer

     /  February 12, 2018

    with the change of Govt ,daily revelations about the perfidity of National..
    https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/2018/02/iraq-the-wire/

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  February 12, 2018

      That was a tenuous leap from the activist.
      The soldiers do everything they said they were going to do, and behind the wire as advised.
      To play up “advising” the Iraqi military as some kind of escalation is a very long bow.

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  February 12, 2018

      And so it turns out. The headline says it all:

      ‘Advise and assist’ in Iraq was always part of the plan for NZ Defence Force
      DR PAUL BUCHANAN

      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/101327837/advise-and-assist-in-iraq-was-always-part-of-the-plan-for-nz-defence-force

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      • Blazer

         /  February 12, 2018

        this sentence..says it..all..
        ‘ So it is not so much a case of Defence Force mission creep as it is planned mission expansion.’…semantics and twist.

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        • High Flying Duck

           /  February 12, 2018

          By “planned” it means disclosed/

          If you want to be upset by the defence force doing what it said it would, you go ahead.

          For context insert this line back in – which comes just before the quote you posted:

          “The extended advisory role “outside the wire” is particularly true for small unit counter-insurgency operations. That was known from the start.”

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  2. phantom snowflake

     /  February 12, 2018

    Leonie Pihama on Bob Jones, racism and hate speech. This will go down well with the Rabid Right here: Female + Maori + Academic = Perfect Bogeywoman!

    Interestingly the go-to commentator for the NZ Herald was again Paul Moon, who as a Pakeha man assured us all that it was not offensive, and he should know right… because he is an expert at writing about things that he clearly knows nothing about, like the wellbeing of te reo Māori for example.

    So there we have it, the Pakeha male expert coming to the defence of the Pakeha male racist. Nothing particularly new about that one.

    https://leoniepihama.wordpress.com/2018/02/11/yes-racism-is-hate-speech/

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    • PDB

       /  February 12, 2018

      Just because he was born with pakeha blood he therefore knows nothing about the well-being of te reo Maori? Does that mean (if Jones is correct) that if there are no full blooded Maori left then nobody knows anything about the well-being of te reo Maori?

      I’d like to think any normal person regardless of political bent would call out her post as hypocritical (racist) & extremist. Pot-kettle-black and all that but her own racism undermines the whole premise of her post – statements including;

      “So there we have it, the Pakeha male expert coming to the defence of the Pakeha male racist. Nothing particularly new about that one.” (i.e. all pakeha are racist and protect their own).

      “what does a wealthy racist old white man do when they are called out about their racism” (i.e. old wealthy white men are racist).

      “such white man-splaining disguised as academic comment” (i.e. White academics, especially men, can not be trusted to provide non-racist comment because they are born white and therefore racist).

      “the fact that he is using a white colonial judicial system to make himself feel more superior” (i.e. the NZ judicial system is racist because it is based on a European system of justice).

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      • phantom snowflake

         /  February 12, 2018

        “Just because he was born with pakeha blood etc…” At that point you respond to your fantasies about Pihama’s words, rather than the actual words. Later it’s just predictable, lame, White Fragility. The idea that calling out someone as being racist makes the person doing that calling out racist is absurd.

        https://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/white-fragility-why-its-so-hard-to-talk-to-white-people-about-racism-twlm/

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        • PDB

           /  February 12, 2018

          The only thing lame and predictable was your hypocritical response – by her own words the woman is obviously a racist and is calling out somebody else as a racist. To suggest a white person can’t become an expert in te reo Maori is racist nonsense.

          Change the words from white to black/Pakeha to Maori and liberals would be calling for her head for the generalisations she has made based solely on a persons colour.

          “So there we have it, the Maori male expert coming to the defence of the Maori male racist. Nothing particularly new about that one.”

          “what does a poor racist young black man do when they are called out about their racism”

          “such black man-splaining disguised as academic comment”

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          • phantom snowflake

             /  February 12, 2018

            Na, you should have thanked me for the golden opportunity I provided for you to vent your spleen at a demograpic (Pihama) that you despise.

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            • phantom snowflake

               /  February 12, 2018

              *demographic* dammit!

            • PDB

               /  February 13, 2018

              You fail to respond to this point as it proves my point & your hypocrisy when it comes to who can be racist;

              “To suggest a white person can’t become an expert in te reo Maori is racist nonsense.”

              It’s like saying black people can’t become ‘experts’ in anything predominantly European including anything to do with European history because they are, well, black.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  February 12, 2018

      The woman is an idiot. I do hope Jones sues for heaps and Lefty morons like her fine themselves in order to bail out Maihi.

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  3. phantom snowflake

     /  February 12, 2018

    Meanwhile over at far right hate site “Crusader Rabbit”, the notorious “KG” exalts white terrorists/mass murderers.

    Timothy McVeigh and Anders Breivik were both heroes before their time.
    If you doubt that, just sit back and watch.”

    http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/?p=32808#comment-100913

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  4. PDB

     /  February 12, 2018

    The very nasty (and untidy) hit job on Bishop takes another turn;

    Kiwiblog: “The truth came out this morning on NewstalkZB. Heather du Plessis-Allan said at 9.25 am:

    Why is this a story now? Because it’s a Labour Party hit job. That’s what I think.
    I’ll be honest. I knew about this before the election. I knew there were messages about this. Guess how I found out? From the Labour Party. The Labour Party knew about this. So the only reason it has been delayed is probably because the parents would finally talk about it.

    The Labour Party has probably been working on the parents to try and get them to talk to the media. So this in my opinion is a Labour Party hit job. And I think it’s actually disgusting to be honest.”

    Will Hager write a book about this? How involved is a certain ‘big mouth’ & very bitter speaker? and will Cam Slater continue to blame Bill English for the story?

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    • Blazer

       /  February 12, 2018

      just her opinion…the more likely one…insider job.

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    • phantom snowflake

       /  February 12, 2018

      This seems almost too obvious to mention, but surely if it was a “Labour Party hit job” it would have been timed to be just before the election rather than now??

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      • PDB

         /  February 12, 2018

        During their ‘positive’ campaign? How would that have looked, and how bad would it have been if they were busted for leaking the story during the election campaign?

        Far better to leak it now to cover up for achieving bugger all thus far.

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        • phantom snowflake

           /  February 12, 2018

          It is difficult, I’ll admit, to accept any claims made by Matthew Hooton and Cameron Slater as being true. But maybe this once…

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          • High Flying Duck

             /  February 12, 2018

            And the fact Hooten and Slater despise the people they are trying to pin it on is purely serendipitous coincidence!

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            • phantom snowflake

               /  February 12, 2018

              I had a sudden wave of nausea after that comment of mine about the Dirty Politics crew. Now what could that mean??

  5. Blazer

     /  February 12, 2018

    John Adams..NZH.
    ‘”According to the Bank for International Settlements, the value of the over-the-counter derivatives market (notional amounts outstanding) remained high between June 2016 and June 2017 to stand at $US542 trillion,” Adams said.

    “Many of these derivatives contracts (which are agreements that allow for the possibility to purchase or sell some other type of financial instrument or non-financial asset) are concentrated on the balance sheets of leading global financial and banking institutions, are bought and sold privately, involve significant complexity and carry significant counter-party risk that many institutions and government regulators struggle to understand.”
    $540,000,000,000,000

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  February 12, 2018

      You mean fixing the GFC with free money, derivatives and CFD’s potentially is not a good long term solution?
      Get yourself some PONZICoin crypto and protect yourself now!

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      • Blazer

         /  February 12, 2018

        U.S GDP…is currently…around 17.5 trillion…so its roughly 32 x that…and of course there are all the other…’instruments’.

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  6. Zedd

     /  February 12, 2018

    whats this news story about C Bishop (Natl MP) being told to stop contacting ‘teen girls (<18 ?) on snapchat' supposedly for 'political reasons' ?
    sounds a bit weird… :/

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  7. Mefrostate

     /  February 12, 2018

    A long read, but this piece exposes the way in which David Farrar’s sharp use of deliberate misinformation (read: lies, half-truths and spin) at Kiwiblog was amplified by the media into a big meme about “disappointing honeymoon poll results for Labour”:

    https://subzpsubzp.blogspot.sg/2018/01/farrars-honeymoon-scam_19.html

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    • Oh no. Right wing blogger uses spin.

      Suggest you read The Standard or The Daily Blog and get a realpolitik check

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      • Mefrostate

         /  February 12, 2018

        What-about-The Standard?! What-about-The Daily Blog?!

        Cool, now we’ve got that out of the way, how did the subzp piece affect your view of David Farrar and the reliability of information he publishes?

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  8. Re this epistle of an advert by the ANZ – ‪I am a longstanding client as were my parents, grandparents and now my children. While I support diversity, I feel they’ve not got the tone right. I feel lectured to and patronised. This emotive advert feels like the worst sort of virtue signalling to me

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    • Blazer

       /  February 12, 2018

      tell the ANZ chairman…honky tonks.

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    • phantom snowflake

       /  February 12, 2018

      VIRTUE SIGNALLING?? Once upon a time, before the advent of the “Alt-Right”, it was known as “setting a good example”!

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      • Mefrostate

         /  February 12, 2018

        Unfortunately, traveller didn’t respond to me the last time I pointed out how meaningless their use of the phrase “virtue signalling” was: https://yournz.org/2017/12/29/open-forum-friday-161/#comment-242470

        History does repeat, it seems.

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      • Gezza

         /  February 12, 2018

        Virtue signalling

        – from a quick google of “definition” (ignoring the Urban Dictionary)

        the action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one’s good character or the moral correctness of one’s position on a particular issue – “Dictionary”

        Virtue signalling is the conspicuous expression of moral values done primarily with the intent of enhancing standing within a social group. The term was first used in signalling theory, to describe any behavior that could be used to signal virtue—especially piety among the religious – Wikipedia

        Virtue signalling is the popular modern habit of indicating that one has virtue merely by expressing disgust or favour for certain political ideas or cultural happenings – Cambidge English Dictionary

        The action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one’s good character or the moral correctness of one’s position on a particular issue. ‘it’s noticeable how often virtue signalling consists of saying you hate things’ – “Oxford English Dictionaries”

        Virtue signalling definition: behaviour that is aimed at demonstrating one’s own enlightened attitudes – Collins English Dictionary
        … … …
        Looks like one of those phrases that can be purloined for whatever your purpose is.

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        • phantom snowflake

           /  February 12, 2018

          IMO its usage involves a high degree of cynicism and/or mindreading.

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          • Gezza

             /  February 12, 2018

            It’s tailor made for putting down anyone whose views you disagree with whatever your, or their views are – from that selection of definitions. Tells you more about the person using it than the person it’s directed at, imo.

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            • phantom snowflake

               /  February 12, 2018

              I think it originated from Alt-Right trolls on Twitter.

            • Gezza

               /  February 12, 2018

              Well maybe it did but those that accuse others of it are clearly practising it themselves.

            • Mefrostate

               /  February 12, 2018

              Completely agree, Gezza. “Wining that people you don’t like are just ‘virtue signalling’ is essentially a method of protecting yourself from a real discussion.”

            • Gezza

               /  February 12, 2018

              Sometimes I don”t think it even amounts to not being prepared to have a real discussion mefro. It also crops up in situations where no amount of discussion will persuade another person to a different viewpoint because they simply have different values, or place more personal emphasis on the importance of one value than someone else does. It’s a phrase I can see myself accusing someone else of doing because to me it’s meaningless. It amounts to – I disagree.

            • Gezza

               /  February 12, 2018

              * oops – it’s a phrase I CAN’T see myself using … that should have said.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  February 12, 2018

              Because the term arose in the toxic sludge of Twitter trollery I believe its usage taints the speech of those who use it and I was rather disappointed when Bill English first used the term, but to be fair it may be that one of his advisors, consultants and speechwriters have a background in Alt-Right trollery rather than that Bill has become a convert.

              In an interview with The Spinoff, Bill English said that he didn’t claim to be a feminist, because to do so amounted to ‘virtue signalling’. Former mayoral contender and current Greens candidate Chlöe Swarbrick says it is part of a wider problem

              https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/27-03-2017/snowflake-cuck-virtue-signalling-the-new-dictionary-of-slurs-feeds-division-where-we-need-dialogue/

            • Mefrostate

               /  February 12, 2018

              Yep I think that’s a good point, Gezza. But you probably don’t really believe it, you’re just virtue signalling.

            • Gezza

               /  February 12, 2018

              Possibly mefro, but for God’s sake don’t tell anyone. You know what they get like here – everybody’s virtuous.

    • Mefrostate

       /  February 12, 2018

      I’m sorry you feel that way. I’m more sorry about all the difficulties this transgender individual had to navigate his way through, simply because society took so long to wake up to his existence.

      While the ad is a bit on the nose and probably just a cynical corporate grab for the woke market, I didn’t get any feelings of being “lectured to” or “patronised”. I’m glad that ANZ also genuinely seem to be trying to rectify it, or at least that enough of society support diversity such that there’s money to be made from ads like this.

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      • Gezza

         /  February 12, 2018

        Anyone calling me cisgender’s in for an earful.

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        • Mefrostate

           /  February 12, 2018

          Oh are you trans Gezza?

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          • Gezza

             /  February 12, 2018

            Nope. I’ve worn a dress twice though. I looked quite good in a tight little black number. When I was younger.

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            • Mefrostate

               /  February 12, 2018

              Ok so you’re cis. Why would you give someone an earful for calling you cis?

            • Gezza

               /  February 12, 2018

              It’s just a classification I think unnecessary and a label I don’t like. So I let people know I don’t like being referred to as cisgender.

            • Mefrostate

               /  February 12, 2018

              Why unnecessary? Surely there are situations where it’s useful to be able to distinguish between someone whose gender identity matches their biological sex, and someone whose doesn’t?

            • Gezza

               /  February 12, 2018

              Why? You just need a word to describe the person whose gender identity doesn’t match their sex.

            • Mefrostate

               /  February 12, 2018

              Well, it’s much easier to say “yin and yang” than “yin and not-yin”

            • Gezza

               /  February 12, 2018

              Sure. Like its much easier to say stallion & mare than mare and not mare.

            • Joe Bloggs

               /  February 13, 2018

              The issue with yin/yang or yin/not-yin is that it’s a binaried characterisation that permits no intermediates… no shades of grey if you like. And, as the movie would suggest, there are many shades of grey.

              Do we really need such a black/white classificatory system? Do we really need to pigeon-hole everybody?

            • Gezza

               /  February 13, 2018

              Gender-wise we’ve got man, woman, hermaphrodite, haven’t we?

              Gender-identity wise, we’ve got man, woman, hermaphrodite, person who’s one of those but who wants to be or has changed to another, person who’s got no idea yet what gender identity they want to be.

              Sexual-orientation-wise we’ve got mostly heterosexuals and homosexuals and bisexuals.

              Sexual-activity wise we’ve got you name it.

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