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  1. Missy

     /  February 14, 2018

    So, I had my train cancelled yesterday for a very European reason – an unexploded WWII unexploded ordnance.

    The bomb was found at George V dock near London City airport on Sunday, the police cordoned off the immediate area meaning the stations for the light rail at the Airport and King George V, this meant my train was also stopped as the train that services those two stations originates / terminates at Woolwich across the river.

    There were no flights from London City Airport, or trains on the DLR (Docklands Light Rail) for the whole day yesterday, however, overnight the bomb was towed downriver towards Essex by the Navy, and it was to be exploded underwater.

    In the 2 years or so I have been here that is about the 4th unexploded WWII bomb found in the Thames.

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    • Blazer

       /  February 14, 2018

      its not such a european reason maam,more bombs were dropped in S.E Asia ,Vietnam War time than in the whole of WW2.Landmines and ornances are everywhere,there.

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  2. David

     /  February 14, 2018

    I am delighted to see that Trump is now more popular at this stage of his presidency than Obama.
    There appears to be a corresponding drop in outrageous stories about him in the NZ media, I thought there may be coverage on GM closing their Korean factory and opening one in Detroit but then there was pretty much no coverage of the millions and millions of workers who got a bonus from the recent tax cuts.

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    • Where do you get that from?

      Five Thirty Eight shows the gap is closing compared to Obama, but Trump remains less than popular than all other recent presidents.
      https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

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      • Patzcuaro

         /  February 14, 2018

        Wishful thinking

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      • High Flying Duck

         /  February 14, 2018

        David was referring to the Rassmussen poll…

        http://www.newsweek.com/trump-approval-rating-obama-same-761948

        However, tenuous at best for now – we’ll see if Trump’s approval lift rises as the deficits rise even faster…

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      • Conspiratoor

         /  February 14, 2018

        David is suffering from premature ejaculation but he may prove to prophetic if current trends continue. Best to ignore pollsters with a methodology that spectacularly failed to forecast a Trump victory and instead watch the ones who did. One reason why Rasmussen has shown higher ratings for Trump than others stems from its methodology.

        So watch this space…

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        • Rasmussen Reports’ final White House Watch survey showed Democrat Hillary Clinton with a 2.0% Popular Vote lead over Republican Donald Trump.

          But that didn’t predict the outcome – an electoral college win to Trump.

          …the three daily tracking polls – the Los Angeles Times, IBD/TIPP, and Rasmussen Reports – consistently showed a much tighter race.

          Not just Rasmussen.

          FiveThirtyEight currently rates Rasmussen Reports with a C+ grade and notes a simple average error of 5.3 percent across 657 polls analyzed.

          Time magazine has described Rasmussen Reports as a “conservative-leaning polling group.

          John Zogby said that Scott Rasmussen has a “conservative constituency.”

          The Center for Public Integrity listed “Scott Rasmussen Inc” as a paid consultant for the 2004 George W. Bush campaign

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasmussen_Reports
          The polls weren’t the real problem, it was reporting of the polls and commentary that stuffed up.

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  3. PartisanZ

     /  February 14, 2018

    ‘The Salvation Army State of the Nation report reveals Kiwis struggle with rents and wages’ – NZHerald …

    “Johnson said it was clear strong economic growth had not been shared around … The impact could be seen in a “frightening” rise in the number of families falling into food poverty … “That’s the true cost of rent rises and slow wage growth on our most vulnerable families …

    “New Zealand cannot separate out its poorest people and pretend they don’t matter. New Zealand is us – all of us who see ourselves as Kiwi. So when some of us miss out, the responsibility for correcting it belongs to us all.”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11991298

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  4. lurcher1948

     /  February 14, 2018

    Crusher Collins has announced shes standing, but the elephant in the room is her Chinese husband and the company oravida plus cameron slatter her attack dog plus shes so yesterday
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/timeline-judith-collins-and-oravida-2014050512
    Lets all remember her stretching the truth with her husband’s company

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    • PartisanZ

       /  February 14, 2018

      Should be in ‘National Party Leadership’ lurcher … copy and paste …

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  February 14, 2018

        Should be Samoan-Chinese husband and that she was cleared of all the things that she was accused of doing.

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  5. lurcher1948

     /  February 14, 2018

    If Crushers the chosen one,oravida will be bought up in every debate,and what does national intend to sell to them soon.

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    • Pickled Possum

       /  February 14, 2018

      The rest of the Swamp Kauri in the North of course Lurch.

      We (far north) see trucks laden with Kauri trees (don’t know whether they are swamp carbon dated 50,0000 years or what)
      Loud and proud these trucks are with their special H.

      I recently went to Kauri Kingdom in Awanui and the local iwi now own it and have made a decision that No slab or raw kauri will leave the place The Chinese got a hold of it sometimes by just putting a little paint or mark on a slab.

      The experts say $$$$200 million of kauri PER YEAR has been shipped out of one of the poorest communities and whats to show for it. SFA it seems after visiting the place.

      For sale “we have big amount ready to export”.
      the diameter of log from 0.8m-2.0m
      length from 2.4m-12m
      https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/New-Zealand-Ancient-KAURI-slab-for_50012774964.html

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      • Conspiratoor

         /  February 14, 2018

        Possum you have inadvertently stumbled upon the biggest threat to the ongoing status of your people as tangata whenua. Whether future governments honour the treaty of waitangi or not will become irrelevant within a generation

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  6. Pickled Possum

     /  February 14, 2018

    “The purpose of modern schooling has never been to empower children. I would argue that school has quite the opposite effect and is geared more towards keeping children obedient to authority. I mean think about it. In most schools children have to wear uniforms that stifle their self-expression. They have to call their teachers by ‘Mr’ and ‘Mrs’ as if to say that adults are somehow superior to children. They learn to memorise information, which is largely inapplicable in daily life, in order to regurgitate it later, without ever learning how to think for themselves or become self-sustainable human beings. Creativity and artisanship aren’t valued in the same way that academic intelligence is, and right-brain learners are tragically left high and dry”.said Will Stanton.
    https://wakeup-world.com/2018/02/14/empowering-the-children-of-tomorrow/

    To start with, schools should focus less on theoretical studies, and more on learning real life skills. Children should learn how to grow their own food and cultivate a garden. They should learn how to build their own home using sustainable materials. They should learn how to collect their own rainwater, how to produce their own energy, and how to pull things apart, repair them and make them new again.
    When we teach children practical life skills, we show them that they are capable of thriving without the need for any system – we empower their independence and their right to be self-governing and self-sustainable.”

    Children are powerful beings.

    It’s time we started treating them that way…

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    • Blazer

       /  February 14, 2018

      sounds like the Rudolph Steiner school approach..possum.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  February 14, 2018

        Uniforms are a leveller, and they also provide a corporate look. In most workplaces there is some kind of dress standard, and many have uniforms. Male MPs have to wear suits and ties.

        The idea that they are having to regurgitate useless information is nonsense.

        Someone is making far too much of the Mr and Mrs (or ‘sir and miss’) forms of address, What is wrong with this ? In any classroom there must be some sort of discipline, and it would, I think, be harder to maintain this if everyone was on a first name basis.I doubt if children see it as all adults being superior.

        Having children independent, self-governing and self-sustainable is impossible. They can’t be independent, they need adults to look after them. They can’t govern themselves, they are too young and inexperienced to do so.

        The idea that they should be able to build their own homes etc is too silly to consider.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  February 14, 2018

          Will Stanton is making sweeping generalisations.

          I have seen some brilliant school art. It’s very much valued.

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  7. Zedd

     /  February 14, 2018

    I note in parliament today (again) the opposition’s, constant FEAR-mongering about the new Govt. policy on ‘Charter Schools’. How many times does the PM or the minister have to repeat; (paraphrase) ‘They will work with current ‘charter schools’ to ensure they have qualified teachers & teach to the official curriculum’ & that they will not be agreeing to open anymore !
    I think the opposition need to STOP… & actually start listening, not just yelling inane rhetoric, to deliberately cause fear & confusion, in these schools. 😦

    The real question is (IMHO) ‘Are they so concerned because Natl MPs or their cronies have personal/financial interest in these schools ?’.. old saying ‘to find out why things are often occurring… follow the MONEY !’

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    • Gezza

       /  February 14, 2018

      What a complete waste of taxpayers’ money by Labour members in the General Debate.
      Instead of debating an issue of governance or legislative importance the tossers spent nearly all their time one after the spouting lame insulting jokes & putdowns with ludicrous speculations on who would be the next leader of the National Party.

      Grow up.

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      • Mefrostate

         /  February 14, 2018

        I agree with you entirely. Far too much parliament time is wasted on cheap shots and distractions, and any Labour MP who has engaged in soapboxing about the National leadership race will lose respect in my eyes.

        As an example I just watched Chris Hipkins and he spent an annoying two minutes grandstanding.

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      • Gezza

         /  February 14, 2018

        True Mefro. Same. An illustration of the difference today. How have we ended up putting up with this sort of crap (from all parties at times) and paying them to waste time just playing silly buggers & spouting rubbish.

        An illustration
        Speech 7 – Labour – Jackson

        Speech 8 – National – Stanford

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        • Blazer

           /  February 14, 2018

          watching Parliament T.V is an unusual form of torture or self flagellation…get yourself a birch.

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          • Gezza

             /  February 14, 2018

            I’ll generally watch Question Time if I’m not doing something more important or useful or if something big’s up. Debates are usually tedious so I don’t usually bother. Certainly feels like torture watching some of it.

            How is it self-flagellation? Birching yourself might be your thing – but it’s not for me, thanks.

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            • Blazer

               /  February 14, 2018

              you could always get a Dominatrix to do it…then.

            • Gezza

               /  February 14, 2018

              You may cease your suggestions. Your apparent enjoyments are not for me, my man.

  8. Mefrostate

     /  February 14, 2018

    Highly recommend the test of political ideology.
    It uses 8 scales to describe your political views. I don’t want to bias people by showing the scales yet though, so will add them below later on.

    Or possibly Pete would like a dedicated post.

    Posted: https://yournz.org/2018/02/14/politiscales-online-political-test/

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  February 14, 2018

      Blazer might like a dedicated post of a different sort, if his comments above are anything to go by 😀

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