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  1. Blazer

     /  February 15, 2018

    Fletchers could save $426,000 a year by having a can of tomato’s as Chairman….or maybe a cardboard cutoff of Warren Buffet,would …suffice.

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  2. Zedd

     /  February 15, 2018

    I was listening to the Parliament last evening; Food Safety reform bill-Committee stage. I could not believe what I was hearing from a senior NZF MP; (paraphrased) ‘we will support the passage of this bill, now that we are assured that Hemp seeds or food with them in, is ‘Low THC’ & you cannot ‘get high’ from eating them’. This was followed by a Labour MP saying ‘you would likely have to each a few sacks full to get any effect’.

    There was also ‘a concern’ that people may potentially FAIL workplace or roadside ‘Drug tests’ if they have eaten Hemp seeds or food containing them,. what a load of B-S (IMHO) the amount of THC/CBD in seeds is tiny/almost zero. I thought that these tests were now amended, to not just show the smallest presence, but an amount that could have an intoxicating effect ?
    The NZF MP even used ‘marijuana’ in her speech; comparing eating Hemp seeds to ‘smoking MJ’ ?!
    “FEAR-mongering to the MAX !!” sez I&I

    btw: Hemp seeds reportedly contain high levels of Omega fatty acids & essential proteins too & are widely used in food for humans & animals overseas.

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    • Zedd

       /  February 15, 2018

      typo: ‘you would likely have to EAT a few sacks full to get any effect’.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  February 15, 2018

        Who WAS this ? Was her name Judith, an older woman ?

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  February 15, 2018

          I see that she’s not one now, so it must have been Tracey Martin.

          Zedd, have you read the Louisa May Alcott story where the characters all end up as stoned as headless chooks ? And no, it’s not a modern fake, it’s genuine LMA.

          It’s very entertaining, although most of the druggy writings that I have read are quite dull, like hearing someone’s dreams in detail.

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          • Griff

             /  February 15, 2018

            Although Alcott was an outspoken proponent of sobriety, hashish once played a crucial role in her short story “Perilous Play” (1869).

            Here’s how authors Gregory Eiselein and Anne K. Phillips summarize the story in The Louisa May Alcott Encyclopedia (2001):

            “In ‘Perilous Play,’ Rose St. Just and Mark Done are able to confess their feelings for each other because of the ‘heavenly dreaminess’ effect of hashish. Initially reluctant to experiment, they both secretly indulge in the drug at a party and end up in a boat together, fighting for their lives in a storm. The ‘heavenly dreaminess’ of hashish is deceptive, however, since it robs one of reason and becomes a ‘cursed folly.’ Luckily, the drug does very little harm and much good: The story ends with a marriage proposal and the line, ‘Heaven bless hashish, if its dreams end like this!'”

            https://www.civilized.life/articles/why-little-women-author-louisa/

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 15, 2018

              I read it in a book of women’s drug stories, and now have it in a collection of hers-it was the best in the anthology. I was delighted to find that it was in a book of her stories.

              I must admit that someone I know who is a longtime user is a poor advertisement for it, as he displays all the characteristics that those opposed to it describe as reasons for not legalising it. I have stopped the email correspondence because he is becoming more and more irrational and I can’t be bothered with that.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 15, 2018

              It’s talked about as a medicine in LMA’s Eight Cousins.

          • Zedd

             /  February 15, 2018

            @Kitty

            I was just highlighting the Hysterical nonsense, that still goes on over cannabis/extracts/products, even those with almost no THC content.
            What they seem to forget, is that nearly all countries that we often compare ourselves to: Canada, USA, UK, EU, Aust. etc. have already legislated to allow these products. (some over a decade ago)
            WHY is there such FEAR-mongering in NZ ?. Do they seriously think that Hemp seeds are the same as ‘smoking Ganja man’.. it almost sounded like it. How Bloody ridiculous/irrational. 😦

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 15, 2018

              Like many people, I dismissed the idea that it can make people psychotic and the rest, but the only longterm user whom I know is a textbook illustration of these ill-effects. I could tell when he’s been using it, and lately he’s become really nutty-I’d say psychotic, and I don’t say that lightly, having lived with a man who suffered psychotic episodes. See post below. But one such case doesn’t mean that I think that everyone who smokes dope goes like that.

    • You’re not expecting bright form that hapless lot Zedd?

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  February 15, 2018

        There’s a belief that one can get high on poppy seeds, but I read how many one would have to eat. I can’t remember what this was, but it would be a very expensive high.It was in a book about such things – it also said that it’s TRUE that toothpaste could poison a person, if they actually ate it and ate an amount that nobody COULD eat.

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        • Pickled Possum

           /  February 15, 2018

          Sorry Miss Wrong information there … in fact all it takes is 2 bagels and
          you fail a opiate test, here read all about it on the NZ drug foundation page
          https://www.drugfoundation.org.nz/matters-of-substance/november-2014/mythbusters-poppy-seeds/

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  February 15, 2018

            But those people weren’t stoned, so it’s not really the same thing. I was talking about someone being stoned on poppy seeds, and would imagine that the vast amount quoted that someone would need for a high from poppy seeds is probably right.

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            • Pickled Possum

               /  February 15, 2018

              what on earth do you consider stoned?
              stoned
              stəʊnd/Submit
              adjectiveinformal
              under the influence of drugs, especially cannabis.
              very drunk.
              “they’re in the local pubs getting stoned”

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 15, 2018

              I use stoned of getting high on drugs rather than drunk. If someone was described as stoned, I would assume that they had been taking drugs.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  February 15, 2018

              The trick with poppy seeds is to soak the seeds (say overnight) then strain them and drink the liquid. Half a kg is sufficient for a reasonable high. It’s also a very cheap high if one buys 10kg sacks of poppy seeds. ‘Poppy Juice’ is also the foulest tasting substance imaginable; not recommended!

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 15, 2018

              I won’t ask how you know this :-/

              Wouldn’t questions be asked if someone kept buying bags that size ? Poppy seeds are quite light, so it would be an enormous volume.

              I am not a great fan of them, anyway, so won’t be trying this.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  February 15, 2018

      Zedd, I knew someone whose uncle failed a breath test because he’d been eating pickled onions and his greed made the breathalyser reading go through the roof.

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      • Zedd

         /  February 15, 2018

        @kitty

        that’s the other FEAR.. that people will FAIL drug tests; but again its just B-S. The idea of these Drug tests is supposed to catch INTOXICATED people, in the workplace or driving.. not just some slight evidence, that they may have ‘inhaled’, last week/month, OR eaten Hemp seed with 0.2% THC (according to recent info.).
        Thats almost like saying, if you dip your tongue in a glass of beer, you’ll get roaring drunk !

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  February 15, 2018

          The uncle story was true-he was let off, of course, but was never allowed to forget it.

          I have never believed the stories about how easy it is to get stoned etc.

          Do you remember the old urban myth about heroin pushers sitting next to people in cinemas, injecting them with heroin and turning them into addicts – and customers ?

          I think that most of us would notice someone injecting something into one of our veins and ask what they were doing ! Even if heroin was a subcutaneous drug, which it isn’t, it’s unlikely that the person would fail to notice someone jabbing a syringe into them 😀

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          • phantom snowflake

             /  February 15, 2018

            Some heroin users in fact choose to inject the drug subcutaneously rather than intravenously. For some the ‘rush’ experienced shortly after intravenous injection is too intense, to the point of being unpleasant. Subcutaneous injection produces a ‘high’ which develops slowly and lasts longer while having a lower ‘peak’.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 15, 2018

              Really ?

              But either way, the person being injected would notice – and see the pusher doing it. And jump up crying ‘What the hell are you doing ????’

            • phantom snowflake

               /  February 15, 2018

              Yes, really! I wasn’t referring to the ‘urban myth’, which I agree is not believable. Likewise the myth that one can use heroin or methamphetamine once and be instantly addicted.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  February 15, 2018

            We were told, and believed, that the pusher would inject the victim and the victim would immediately be an addict. I remember reading it printed as truth, but not where, of course. It took me ages to realise that this couldn’t happen for several reasons.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 15, 2018

              The sight of even one junkie would have been enough to scare me off, even if I’d wanted to use heroin and known where to buy it. She looked like a walking corpse and was semi-coherent.

  3. Corky.

     /  February 15, 2018

    Listened to talkback yesterday. Talkback gets a lot of criticism. But as I have said, when it’s at its best it can’t be beat,

    Yesterday was a great example. The topic was problems facing Fletchers . We heard from all manner of people associated with the building industry, and why Fletchers ran into trouble.
    The overview was great. Pity mainstream media wasn’t as good.

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    • Zedd

       /  February 15, 2018

      @corky

      I quite enjoy ZB too.. but only to get a feel for the extreme rights views; Hoskins, Russel etc.

      oh yes & people still saying ‘Natl won, because they got the most seats’ even though they are NOT the Govt.; still in denial & thinking FPP “WAKE UP” 😀

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    • phantom snowflake

       /  February 15, 2018

      Talkback radio is a bubble, a group of less than 1% of the population who suffer from the delusion that they are ‘mainstream’ or ‘the majority’. (A similar group to the Kiwiblog comments section.) If they were truly mainstream we would be: Hiring executioners (death penalty), frantically building new prisons (life without parole, criminalisation of gays and prostitutes), hitting our children (repeal of ‘anti smacking law’), banning any future Treaty Settlements, putting time limits on benefits for ‘bludgers’, and celebrating yet another ‘crushing’ election win by the National Party again led by Judith Collins…

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      • Griff

         /  February 15, 2018

        No more or less of a bubble than political blogs.
        PG does a good effort the views here may be wider than that expressed at the daily blog or WOBF but still we self select.
        Most could not give a toss between one election and another and give little thought to politics instead spend more time fretting over which mall to go to and whats for dinner .

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        • phantom snowflake

           /  February 15, 2018

          All true. IIRC Your NZ was originally intended to have a centrist focus, which makes it quite unique. (Disclaimer: Am myself not remotely ‘centrist’.)

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          • “Your NZ was originally intended to have a centrist focus” – not really.

            It was intended to encourage robust but respectable discussion on and from any part of the political spectrum.

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        • Conspiratoor

           /  February 15, 2018

          That is my experience also Gruff. At my water cooler on the second floor the weather beats politics approx. 10 to 1. If I threw in a curved ball about their preference for the next Nat leader they wouldn’t have a clue who the contenders were and I would be ostracized for a week

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  4. Griff

     /  February 15, 2018

    EU says foxtrot Oscar to Trumps USA.

    EU Tells Trump: No Paris Climate Deal, No Free Trade
    Snip… France’s foreign affairs minister Jean-Baptiste Lemoyne told the French Parliament last week that his country will insist that TTIP never be revived if Trump carries through on his promise to leave the Paris Agreement.

    “One of our main demands is that any country who signs a trade agreement with EU should implement the Paris Agreement on the ground,” Lemoyne said. “No Paris Agreement, no trade agreement. The U.S. knows what to expect.”

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davekeating/2018/02/08/eu-tells-trump-no-paris-climate-deal-no-free-trade/#34a55c9d37c7

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  5. lurcher1948

     /  February 15, 2018

    God Larry Williams had another go at our PM, this altright host is a disgrace.His bio says hes straight down the middle but on the far right…

    LARRY WILLIAMS DRIVE
    4pm–7pm weekdays

    Dynamic, sharp and connected – Larry Williams means business.

    “With a straight down the middle approach” YER RIGHT OPPS, Larry Williams Drive on Newstalk ZB delivers the very latest news and views to New Zealanders as they wrap up their day.

    Assertive, direct and opinionated, Larry is well respected by leading news makers, business leaders and political insiders.

    As well as setting the news agenda, this show has a major focus on local and international business, ensuring our listeners are engaged and informed.

    Larry Williams is a driving force at the centre of New Zealand’s biggest newsroom and number one radio station*.

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    • PDB

       /  February 15, 2018

      We wouldn’t want an alternative view away from the MSM ‘Jacindamania’ would we Lurch? Too democratic for you?

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      • phantom snowflake

         /  February 15, 2018

        Oh God I appear to have fallen into some bizarre binary alternate reality where the only choices are Jacindamania or the neo-reactionary drivel of Larry ‘Lackwit’ Williams. Do they have euthanasia here?

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  February 15, 2018

    Only 90 hours to the next school shooting in the USA, plenty of time to get popcorn in”making America great again”

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  February 15, 2018

      What a horrible thought, one every 90 hours.

      Trump won’t be popular with his NRA chums, expressing sympathy and saying that nobody should be shot. How can they NOT be ? He must know that this will keep happening.

      The way that the pupils were walking suggested that this was something that they had practiced as we did earthquake drill. I don’t blame the ones who panicked and ran, though, The only reason that I wouldn’t is that I’d be paralysed with terror.

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