“…the coalition negotiations were a charade”

The latest Listener, about Bill English’s legacy, says:

Ardern was as gracious in her comments about English’s pending departure as New Zealand First leader Winston Peters was mean-spirited. Peters’ inability to contain his bitterness suggests the coalition negotiations were a charade.

That’s a bit how things look.

His resentment towards National is deep-rooted, and since the election, the feeling is reciprocated. It is unlikely that National’s change of leader will diminish Peters’ toxicity. That is no longer Bill English’s problem.

It’s unlikely this will be easily resolved while Peters remains in Parliament.

Video of Winston Peters comments on Bill English stepping down

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19 Comments

  1. Alan Wilkinson

     /  February 15, 2018

    English was too nice to the old fraud. Strategic error.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  February 15, 2018

      And too honest and straight to make the old fraud deputy PM. A strategic error, but the only decent thing to do if he wanted to be able to live with himself.

      My real concern about the Super fiasco was that he was so careless that he made this error and kept on making it. Doesn’t he read what he signs ? I would be astonished if he did it on purpose, but it looks bad that he didn’t notice for ? years that he was signing something that was incorrect.

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  2. David

     /  February 15, 2018

    I dont think Winston is well, I dont think its a good idea he runs the country and at least we have a cabinet and a parliament but it makes me doubly nervous that his waka jumping legislation will be in legislation when Ardern starts her 12 months maternity leave.
    Its a dangerous amount of power in one unpopular erratic and bitter person who seems driven by personal revenge.

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    • Griff

       /  February 15, 2018

      Gee Dave have a reliable reference for twelve months leave?
      I would guess your source is some right wing rubbish news site like The Australian for instance.

      Ardern has issued a statement that she will take six weeks and Gayford will be the primary care giver.
      https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/prime-minister-and-clarke-gayford-expecting-first-child
      We are not the USA with executive presidential powers.
      Peters will need to convince the rest of government to make any changes .

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      • BobJ

         /  February 15, 2018

        It could easily be 12 months, 24 months, forever, or six weeks. Having kids does not always follow the detailed project plan.

        One of the good things about our parliamentary system is that should Winston Peters go completely gaga MP’s only need a simple majority to walk in to the house and pass the ‘Winston Peters Retires today bill’ and solve the problem.

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        • David

           /  February 15, 2018

          BobJ the stakes are so much higher for self interested MPs once the Waka jumping bill is passed because the MP who calls him out is then ejected from parliament by Winston. The checks and balances are diluted to who knows what degree.

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      • David

         /  February 15, 2018

        Griff 1st child and running a country for someone who self confessed suffers from anxiety who didnt want to be deputy leader, leader or PM but has always wanted children. If you think 6 weeks is it…well perhaps you havent lived with a new Mum or a pregnant woman but expect the unexpected and chuck your plans out the window.

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        • Many women have children and manage to continue with their careers too, so it could be a non-issue.

          However there is a possibility there will be a change of heart or an enforced change of plans.

          And there’s a real vulnerability in the Government there. If Ardern is out of action for any length of time then will Peters have to step in for much longer? I doubt that he’s up to it. And if he can’t hack it Davis is the next in line? That doesn’t look like a great plan B right now. Unless someone like David Parker stepped up the Government could easily end up in a dire condition.

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        • Griff

           /  February 15, 2018

          David
          “when Ardern starts her 12 months maternity leave.”
          Is a definitive statement that on examination is found to be nothing but baseless conjecture on your behalf.
          I believe the correct praise is bovine excrement .
          Something you seem to have a penchant for,
          I know woman who have started work days after giving birth. In 2018 career woman with a supportive partner often do so .
          Keep it real mate or you just become another RWNJ living in fantersy world inside your own head .

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  February 15, 2018

          David is right. It is unpredictable.

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          • Griff

             /  February 15, 2018

            Strikingly Alan I take all you say with a healthy dose of salt .
            Something about someone who tells lies when facts are pointed out to them says RWNJ and not worth chasing down rabbit holes except to point out the errors for others to see .
            I pointed out a few days ago that the graph you referenced at statistics nz ended in 2006.
            http://archive.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/environment/environmental-reporting-series/environmental-indicators/Home/Marine/coastal-sea-level-rise.aspx
            You claimed I was wrong and said it was probably an issue with my browser
            I have since opened said graph with Explorer, Chrome and Firefox
            They all give the same result when you hover over the end point the data ends in 2006
            In a little my girl gets here and I will use safari .
            It will show they same result .
            You are full of bovine excrement my friend and are as reliable as your co traveler David when it comes to reality.
            If you need to make up shite to support your world view your world view is worthless .
            As to your conspiracy nonsense ………

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 15, 2018

              You are bonkers, Griff. Here is a pic clipped from a screen shot.

  3. Gezza

     /  February 15, 2018

    I watched the video of Winston commenting to Soper on Bill’s resignation. I’d put money on it Winston’s got more than moderate emphysema.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  February 15, 2018

      May account for a good deal of his bad temper.

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      • Gezza

         /  February 15, 2018

        It would account for his inability to do the long harangues he used to. It’s been apparent in his parliamentary performances, & it’s particularly noticeable in that video, that he is not breathing normally.

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  4. Blazer

     /  February 15, 2018

    Winston owes National…nothing.English’s resignation is acceptance that they lost…finally.

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  5. 2Tru

     /  February 15, 2018

    But what does Winston owe NZ? Hopefully he recognises that it’s plenty before emphysema takes its toll.

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  6. Zedd

     /  February 16, 2018

    I think Winston has ‘mellowed’ since joining Lab & Grns in Govt.
    Anyone who watches parliament, will know why NZF did not go with Natl; give no quarter & MONEY comes first, second & third in all policies.
    I dont think Winston & NZF MPs are on the same page… he once stated that ‘National party’, should change their name to ‘The InterNational. party’ Sell everything to the highest bidder, mostly ‘Foreign interests’ & give tax breaks, to anyone to allow it to happen

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