Has Turei paid back the WINZ money?

Metiria Turei promised to pay back the money she received (allegedly fraudulently) from Work and Income NZ (WINZ) in the 1990s. The self revelation blew up on Turei in July 2017 and led to her resignation as Green party leader, and her decision to withdraw from the Green Party list. She stood in the Te Tai Tonga electorate and failed to win in the September election.

This came up on Reddit a couple of days ago: Did Turei ever pay back all that defrauded money?

The media just dropped the issue, and MSD basically pussyfooted around it. As someone that gets pinged now and then for earning $10 above the threshold of student allowance, seeing a government official getting away with clear fraud for tens of thousands of dollars makes me real sad for NZ.

Many of the comments in response diverted to other politician’s problems, in particular Bill English’s housing allowance issue in 2009. Despite as one person said “I thought “whataboutism” were frowned upon on this sub.” That’s nearly nine years ago, English paid money back, and was found to have checked and was told his arrangement was within the rules before it was publicised.

From RNZ in August 2017 – Timeline: Green Party co-leader Metiria Turei’s downfall

This story was followed up by the herald last month (January 2018): Silence over Metiria Turei’s alleged benefit fraud investigation irks

Six months after Metiria Turei revealed her historic benefit fraud, neither she nor the Ministry of Social Development are commenting on the case – including whether the former MP has repaid the debt.

MSD launched an investigation in August after Turei – then the Green Party co-leader – said that she had received benefit payments she wasn’t legally entitled to while studying law as a solo mother in the 1990s.

Six months on and neither Turei or MSD are commenting.

Turei – who has previously said she would pay back any money she owed – didn’t respond to messages left by the Herald on Sunday and a spokeswoman for the Ministry of Social Development said it “will not and cannot” comment on individual cases.

Former Green Party member David Clendon, who along with Kennedy Graham resigned in protest at Turei’s actions, told the Herald there was a fine balance between the public interest and Turei’s privacy.

“I would expect there would be some sort of information that would come into the public domain if for no other reason than to retain the integrity of the system. Obviously there’s a huge public interest.”

Clendon was one of two Green MPs who had pulled their support for Turei and were not allowed to stand for the Greens after Turei resigned.

So this appears to remain an unresolved issue.

122 Comments

  1. robertguyton

     /  February 17, 2018

    It’s between Metiria and WINZ, isn’t it? Metiria initiated meetings with WINZ and what more do you need to know, Pete? Metiria isn’t an MP any longer, so it sounds to me as though you are looking to stir up anti-Green sentiment, gratuitously. The alleged offending occurred before she was a politician and she is no longer a politician, so what’s your interest, aside from gratuitous?

    • It’s not as if you have never banged on about ex-MP Key at all Robert. Do you try to anti-National sentiment, gratuitously?

      Turei made it very much about her and the Greens and the election campaign if I remember correctly. She tried to use it to gain votes. She put the integrity of the Green party in real jeopardy and nearly destroyed the party’s election chances.

      So this is of public interest.

      • Conspiratoor

         /  February 17, 2018

        It may be OF public interest but is it still IN the public interest for us to know what a former politician who told some porkies, fessed to rorting WINZ and lost her career, may or may not have done since she returned to life as a private citizen.

        If she ever stages a comeback this would be reasonable question to ask but I tend to agree with Robert …it’s time to move on folks

        • Trevors_elbow

           /  February 17, 2018

          as Stalin always said… Those Polish officers are gone, who kills who put them in the ground, lets just move on….

          and the party of higher standards, engaging respectfully etc etc…. just continues to be a bunc of hippycrits…

      • duperez

         /  February 17, 2018

        This is indeed of public interest. So was the Barclay episode where taxpayers money was paid over for we don’t know what. I know, I know ‘confidentiality’ agreements came into that.

        Can anyone think of other times there have been confidentiality agreements yet the details have come out? The release of which was encouraged and celebrated.

    • Trevors_elbow

       /  February 17, 2018

      No it is not between WINZ and Meteria. Meteria admitted to gaming the system. She said she would pay back the gain. She did all of this publically. The matter is in the public domain and needs a public resolution.

      Just like English all those years ago – but he paid it back.

      I guess, as always, principles and rules are just bendable for the Greens Robert. Like no Kermadecs, like waka jumping legislation….. all the Green talk about higher standards is just talk. Clendon and Graham walked the talk about standards, principles… the Green caucus knifed them

      greens – hippycrits to the very end….

    • No, it’s wanton fraud and I cannot see how it is not a police matter

      • Blazer

         /  February 17, 2018

        a Police matter you say….just be like Barclay…and refuse to talk to the…Police,or be like English and say…’didn’t know it was..a crime’.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  February 17, 2018

          Bill English was misinformed and paid the money back as soon as he discovered this. He didn’t systematically cheat the system for years, anything he did was quite open because he was told that it was lawful.

          There is a massive difference between an error which is corrected at once and a longterm deliberate fraud.

  2. robertguyton

     /  February 17, 2018

    Or is it because someone on Reddit it feels agrieved? Goodness! We can’t have that ! Shall we do a retrospective on Mike Sabin as well? Todd Barclay? I wonder where those cases sit now? Will Todd return to New Zealand and talk with the police about his alledged illegal behaviour ? Will Bill English reveal the true extent of his involvement in the debacle?
    So many opportunities to dig into the behaviours of past-MPs, Pete; don’t let any opportunity go by!

    • Gezza

       /  February 17, 2018

      Well you can chase those ones up on Reddit too if you want robert. But meantime, Metiria put the issue in the public domain in the misjudged hope of political gain. Did she ever pay back the money? Do you know?

  3. chrism56

     /  February 17, 2018

    Adding to what you said Peter, remember the fuss that people like Robert continue to make about Todd Barclay. This is karma. Metiria didn’t initiate meetings with WINZ. Her announcement that she had done it was first. Robert is trying to rewrite history again.

  4. robertguyton

     /  February 17, 2018

    You are wrong. Metiria did initiate those meetings. Pete’s muck-raking.

  5. robertguyton

     /  February 17, 2018

    I think this post is nothing more than throwing raw meat to your little pack of chihuahuas, Pete. A low point in your blogging career, for sure. I’d love to stay and berate, but have to go; I’m tutoring a group of gardeners that has travelled from Lawrence for the day, so can’t chip in with any helpful comments, aside from those I’ve already given. Pity. Again, gratuitous dog-whistling, Mr George. Scabby.

    • You seem a tad sensitive on your overreaction Robert – different standards for different politicians and parties it seems.

    • Trevors_elbow

       /  February 17, 2018

      Engaging respectfully Robert? Greens standard – but not really.

      Address the issues chap – which is alleged welfare fraud and honesty.

    • chrism56

       /  February 17, 2018

      Agreeing with Trevor – while berating Pete for allegedly running an attack piece, Robert can’t resist throwing in a few ad-hom insults. But it is ever so different when the left do it.

    • What part of blatant theft don’t you get?

      • Blazer

         /  February 17, 2018

        the double dipping…bit!

        • Trevors_elbow

           /  February 17, 2018

          You obviously slow Blazer. He.paid.it.back. whereas your little green goddess wont…. see the difference? No I guess ya dont because in the world of the Murray Hortons and fellow travellers the left are blameless and above the law

        • chrism56

           /  February 17, 2018

          Just like the Greens double dipped for their accommodation allowance? Did they ever pay that back?

  6. Gerrit

     /  February 17, 2018

    Sorry Robert but you are defending the indefensible. For one who has laid into all National MP’s and their perceived foibles, wear this one like a saint and front up to the reality.

    Turei was wrong in claiming the benefit she did, she got the strategy of making it an election issue 100% wrong, she made Shaw look stupid in defending her, she put the green party at electoral risk, she caused division in the party, she caused two long standing Green MP’s to quit and now she languishes, in her castle, out of politics and any chance she may have had at strengthening the Green party leadership in negotiations with Labour as part of the government.

    Would she have been as weak as Shaw in the Negotiations? For the greens are now doormats to NZFirst/Labour. Only there for the numbers not contributions to a better society.

    Would she for example, as leader, have prevented a Green MP protesting against a government the inexperienced Green MP is a member off?

    Would she for example, as leader, have told that the green MP proposing a national register of ALLEGED sexual impropriety in the work place that this was a 100% no goer in regards fair process?

    Much lost opportunity for absolutely no gain.

    And yes, the tax payers who provided the largess Turei took under false pretences have a right to know if their taxes are back in the coffers ready to be dispensed to a family who truly need it.

    .

  7. Funny how the Left (represented by a Bob) have no problem with their own illegalities but at the smell of a rumor involving the Right it’s all righteous indignation and toys out of the cot time…There is a name for such behaviour

  8. Alan Wilkinson

     /  February 17, 2018

    To be fair to Robert he has never pretended to have a balanced view on anything.

  9. Blazer

     /  February 17, 2018

    Meteria has paid the price,and lets face it…this is muckracking.

    [Deleted. If she has then I presume you shouldn’t be referring to it. PG]

    • Blazer

       /  February 17, 2018

      Bennetts injunction is in the public domain as is her statement…’I never deliberately mislead ..Social Welfare’…its called equal opportunity …muck.

    • She has not paid the price. The price for Welfare abuse is being charged for said abuse

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  February 17, 2018

        Blazer keeps quoting that statement by Paula Bennett which was a simple statement of fact; that she had never defrauded WINZ. The word deliberately obviously meant that SHE had never defrauded them (it would be hard to do a fraud that wasn’t deliberate) and was used for emphasis.

  10. chrism56

     /  February 17, 2018

    Never one to let a squirrel go by are you Blazer.

    • Blazer

       /  February 17, 2018

      Any idea why the Nationals ascendant super star from last years conference is now…unloved and unwanted…by the caucus?

      • High Flying Duck

         /  February 17, 2018

        Wasn’t there a n election recently in which it would have been appropriate to out any politician who had defrauded the system?
        There is rumour, but no fact on this one.

        • Blazer

           /  February 17, 2018

          any idea why Bennett has fallen from…grace?

          • Gerrit

             /  February 17, 2018

            As in all professions we rise to the level of our incompetence.

            Takes a smart cookie to realise they have reached the limit of their abilities and gracefully retreat to the level of their competence.

            Bennett is a good minister but not deputy or ministerial material.

            Labour had Goff, Shearer, Cunliffe and Little rise above their level of competence and moved on quickly as well.

          • High Flying Duck

             /  February 17, 2018

            Last I looked she is still exactly where she was 6 months ago?
            No fall as yet…It would not surprise me if the new leader got a new deputy. That is normal.

            • Blazer

               /  February 17, 2018

              well you definitely need new glasses duck…6 months ago she was Deputy P.M of NZ,now she is Deputy leader of the Opposition!(I enjoyed that…made my..day)

            • High Flying Duck

               /  February 17, 2018

              Within the party fool – as we were discussing. It really doesn’t take much to tickle the delusions in your mind, does it Blazer.

            • Blazer

               /  February 17, 2018

              ‘Last I looked she is still exactly where she was 6 months ago?’..sorry Duck…blown to…smithereens.Btw watch who you call a ..fool.

            • Gerrit

               /  February 17, 2018

              Yes true, but is she going for the leaders position? Some people rise to their level on incompetence and don’t know it and worse off they don’t have the management above them with the nous to tell them.

              So Bennett hung on (either knowing or unknowingly off her incompetence) with English to timid to do a cabinet reshuffle to bring in a better deputy.

              One sees this all the time in the corporate world. Happens in politics to often as well.

            • Blazer

               /  February 17, 2018

              ‘Some people rise to their level on incompetence’…don’t give away your secrets ..’dad’…a lifetime in senior management,may not be all its cracked up..to be.

        • Gezza

           /  February 17, 2018

          Not the best performer for the role of Deputy Leader in Opposition & didn’t shine at all as Deputy PM in Government. We don’t know who might have backed her in the selection. If there was any serious evidence of criminal offences she’d probably be gone from Parliament altogether.

          • Blazer

             /  February 17, 2018

            Nat conference 2017..’English..’I want to thank someone who keeps it real and has a talent for connecting with New Zealanders – my deputy Paula Bennett.

            Before the last election, I was campaigning in Hamilton and a woman stopped me in a shopping mall.

            This woman told me that, like Paula, her daughter had been a teenage solo mother and had lost her way a bit.

            Somehow, the daughter ended up going along to one of Paula’s speeches.

            That young woman was so inspired that she left that speech and enrolled at teachers’ college and is now doing really well.

            Paula – that’s what I call making a difference.’


            Steven Joyce let a budget secret slip, Paula Bennett stole the show, and the party revealed its 10 point plan to shut down Labour, writes Simon Wilson. ‘

            ‘stole’….the show.

            • Gezza

               /  February 17, 2018

              National Party members the audience? They’d have praised & cheered any Deputy. Who’s going to get up & say my Deputy’s useless or average at a Party conference?

              Thousands of ordinary New Zealanders told Andrew Little all sorts of good stuff apparently & their Party conferences praised the ass off him. It was his deputy who won them the election. She out-performs Paula.

              Kelvin as deputy may well keep them a Maori seat & I wish him well in that, but as Deputy Leader of Labour in Parliament he’s seriously out of his league.

            • Blazer

               /  February 17, 2018

              National Party members the audience….same people who don’t like her…anymore…’The whole convention was the Paula Bennett show, at which English and Joyce seemed to be making guest appearances. ‘

            • Gezza

               /  February 17, 2018

              According to Simon Wilson. I didn’t go. I’m not a Nats member or Nats voter. Don’t recall tv reporters gushing about her stealing the show. Have you got any links to articles from other reporters there?

              Bill’s going. Her support will be going with him, I think.

            • Blazer

               /  February 17, 2018

              just google plethora of info available…Stuff/Philip Matthews,excerpt..The leadership question is “the question I hate most in the world”, she says, but pundits assume she is being groomed as Key’s successor. She has stayed out of political trouble. The associate finance role puts her close to English just as associate tourism puts her near Key. She also has social housing and climate change. It is climate change that sends her to New York this month to sign the Paris agreement.
              Associate finance minister…hilarious.
              ‘https://thespinoff.scdn5.secure.raxcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/IMG_1007.jpg

      • Gezza

         /  February 17, 2018

        @ Blazer

        Nah, google’s not puliing up much at all for me from “2017 National Party Conference” with or without “Paula Bennett” added.

        There’s this from Tim Murphy:

        “English aims to achieve the impossible

        “Let’s go and talk them into it.”

        That was the final line in Prime Minister Bill English’s keynote talk to his National Party northern convention on Sunday.

        The ‘them’ was the public and the ‘it’ was giving National an unlikely fourth consecutive term to “continue government that is consistent, outward looking and seeking out a place in the world with pride”.

        It was no TED Talk oratorical flourish. It was Bill Talks plain talk.

        A little bit unconvincing in that the public still needs to be “talked into” something nine years on. And it did raise images of bossy people wearing National blue rosettes telling us all what is good for us. But that’s every election campaign.

        There are 19 weeks until the general election and this was the party’s final regional gathering. English’s speech was perhaps the first campaign event – there were blue and white balloons and each seat in the Waipuna Lodge conference theatre had a blue cardboard ‘National’ sign which delegates held aloft, gingerly, with all the enthusiasm of Blues supporters at Eden Park.

        His ending might have been a bit prosaic, the speech a bit low-key, but he’s been doing these conventions for 30 years so knows what the volunteer corps of National need to hear. They stood in ovation at the end, as expected.

        It was a convention, and a speech, to offer reassurance the Government has something left in the tank. National chose its big vulnerability of housing as one of the three topics for delegates, with law and order and health.

        Speakers showed a frustration that some of the Government’s big spends were not being appreciated. For example, education minister Nikki Kaye on total education spending rising from $8 billion to $11 billion over its time and school upgrades costing $5 billion, And associate housing minister Alfred Ngaro on the $2.3 billion the government spends annually on housing assistance.

        National wheeled out young ministers, including the pair English called the ‘third formers’ Mark Mitchell and Alfred Ngaro, one of whom did well and one who mis-spoke to the point of having to apologise to his boss.

        The deputy Prime Minister Paula Bennett was prominent, starring in an Australian current affairs programme’s item on National’s social investment approach which played at the opening of the convention. She was the ranking member of the Government present throughout most proceedings, playing up the Westie schtick.

        Bennett gave English a florid introduction: “He knows who he is, what he stands for and what he believes in and alongside it is this big brain. He is just so well-read, he’s got this depth to him. I obviously admire him, it’s a privilege to work with him, I respect him, I like him, he’s my Prime Minister and yours, he’s a great man who is taking this country to great places, the Right Honourable Bill English. Woohoo.”

        English responded: “You are pretty good.” He then praised her relentless energy, world-leading welfare reforms and her campaigning experience.

        Finance minister Steven Joyce got some of the love too. “He’s doing a much better job than I did. I know from the officials who now have to get up early, stay up late to answer all the questions.”

        The message from English was that National in Government had taken on big, complex problems which when it came to office had seemed intractable.

        On infrastructure “it is now conceivable that you will have four lanes from Whangarei to Matamata. For a growing economy we are going to need it”.

        On education, it had “increased NCEA level 2” rates. “All of the kids we used to think can’t do it are now doing it.”

        In health, “we used to think Māori kids could not be immunised at anywhere near the rate of Pākehā kids, now they get immunised at exactly the same rate.”

        English had heard when arriving at the conference from one delegate that on his prized social investment policy “your ministers sound like they believe it”.

        “Yes, they believe it,” he beamed. “The purpose is to improve lives and they think we have the practical tools to achieve that.”

        It was vital to know what benefit would come from any extra spending. “We have found in trying to solve some of these issues that money sometimes gets in the way; what matters is finding some person who can change things in a home or a community.”

        He said on the big social policy: “In an area where we are not regarded as strong we have a determination to achieve things that just a few years ago we thought were not possible.”

        Earlier, delegates had heard of polling showing which parties voters thought of on a range of subjects: environment was the Greens, immigration was NZ First, “caring” was Labour and the economy was National.

        Several speakers over the day and a half blanched at National being seen as not caring. English said the changes the Government had made in social policies, delivered by a growing economy, had meant 40,000 fewer children were in benefit housing than when it took over.

        National had overseen growth in employment of 10,000 extra jobs a month for the past 18 months.

        It had created an economy attracting Kiwis home. In 2008 National ran an ad with John Key in an empty Cake Tin stadium in Wellington to show the number of New Zealanders who were abandoning New Zealand each year.

        He said the Government had achieved now what it had hoped for back then. “Kiwis are staying home. If they had all left, yes you would have a few more empty houses, there would be a few less cars on the road, there would be a few less kids showing up unexpected at schools.”

        I use the private browsing option so I don’t have to keep clearing my cache to stop iPad performance issues. I think maybe google remembers your searches if you don’t do that & presents you with results tailored to those. You might get more hits for continual queries on National? Anyway, I’m just gonna leave it at this. She might’ve gone down well at the conference but she hasn’t shone as Deputy PM / Dep Leader & I think English backed her for Deputy.

        • Blazer

           /  February 17, 2018

          big video presentation of Paulas ..shoes.

          • Gezza

             /  February 17, 2018

            All I saw was the jpg. No context. Got a link to the video or transcript of Joyce’s presentation?

            It’s not really all that relevant to your argument though. You’re contending allegations made against Paula on a website (I’ve seen them) & taken down after her lawyers’ threat of defamation proceedings are true & that concern about that being used against her is the reason she’s lost the high level of Caucus support.

            Conference was May. Allegations posted July. You could right, but if previous Opposition parties haven’t used it against her I wonder how much evidence & credibility there is to the allegations – especially when Peters would know of it. They’ll have seen it too.

            Labour/NZF/Greens are in control of all the relevant agencies now. Will be interesting to see if they think there’s anything to investigate & launch one.

            Meantime, Metiria publicly declared defrauding WINZ, thinking it would be a vote-winning strategy, & I wonder what’s happened about that matter, & the money, since. Do you know?

            • Blazer

               /  February 17, 2018

              as far as I know she hasn’t been charged with ..anything.As for Bennett if we are to accept her fall from ‘next leader’…to an imminent demotion is because suddenly the Nats think she is just not competent…well….!!

            • Gezza

               /  February 17, 2018

              Fair point, Blazer. To be honest I’ve largely forgotten about them because they’ve come to nothing when truth is the most solid defence against defamation. But this could explain why Paula’s previously high public profile is minimal now.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  February 17, 2018

            Shoes that never existed. It was a joke. Ha ha, Funny, Not serious.

  11. Zedd

     /  February 17, 2018

    Metiria is no longer an MP & this issue IS between WINZ & her.. It ended her career & surely that was ‘punishment enough’ for the ‘nay-sayers’.. BUT perhaps not ??
    enuf sed 😦

    • Gerrit

       /  February 17, 2018

      Totally disagree. When Hager published his books based on stolen private emails, he published them (and was supported by such legal luminaries as Andrew Geddis) because they were in the PUBLIC INTEREST.

      Same with Turei, her repayment schedule is in the PUBLIC INTEREST.

      Or does the right to privacy only extend to Green politicians?

      Worth a read

      “So in terms of the law, there is a quite compelling case to be made that the ”public good” done by Mr Hager’s book outweighs the ”private harms” done to those whose secrets were revealed in it. ”

      https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/public-interest-crux-matter

      • Blazer

         /  February 17, 2018

        the truth is still the truth…unless you can suppress it by legal…device and never have to…face..it.

        • Gerrit

           /  February 17, 2018

          ???????????????????????????? Case in point or is there is a point to your statement?

      • Blazer

         /  February 17, 2018

        the Public have an insatiable interest….

        • Gerrit

           /  February 17, 2018

          Especially when it is dirty and private. Dirty politics anyone?

        • And rightly so, it’s our money she knowingly brazenly stole and then concealed for twenty years or so,

          • Blazer

             /  February 17, 2018

            ‘our money’…Murray gave over $11mil of ‘our’ money to an Arab sheik…the prick!

            • Gezza

               /  February 17, 2018

              Yep. Not illegal, though, apparently. Was a constant millstone around their necks after that came out & got frequently publicised. And the Nats are out of government now. He probably lost them some votes.

      • Zedd

         /  February 17, 2018

        @gerritt

        PUBLIC INTEREST ?
        who it this; of whom you speak, I have no further interest, in this matter……. :/

        • Gerrit

           /  February 17, 2018

          Cant discuss? Not interested? No worries.

          You personally may not have the interest in the restitution payed by a benefit defrauder, but you and Robert are two in 4.5 million. The other 4.5 (-2) million are the public who may be interested.

          It is the same legal driver that Andrew Geddis used to defend Hagers right to publish. (did you not read the link?)

          ” Each of these legal avenues provides a potential remedy to anyone who has had their privacy invaded.
          However, the ultimate success of all three actions essentially turns on the same question.
          Is there a sufficient public interest in publishing the material to justify quite grave intrusions into the privacy of those whose communications were revealed?
          I would suggest that there is a strong case for answering ”yes” to this question. “

          • Zedd

             /  February 17, 2018

            NO; I just think that IF Metiria ‘ripped off the system’ as is alleged, then WINZ will chase it up in due course. I’m also not really interested in every other case of ‘benefit fraud’ either. I’ll leave it to WINZ to do their jobs, as Im certain they do, in the majority of cases worth pursuing.. :/

            • Gerrit

               /  February 17, 2018

              Never mind, you don’t get this public interest angle.

              Not wanting politicians held to account for their actions and all.

              Cool.

              Problem for Turei is that the perception she was wrong will linger unless she makes a public statement that WINZ has cleared her, that stigma will reside with her and the Greens.

              If she has payed it back she declares she was wrong in the first place.

              In between a rock and a hard place but that is what public life, as a politician, is all about. The public is interested.

              Just like they were with Bill English (and two Green party politicians) in regards housing allowance claims (claims made on the wrong advice from Parliamentary Services).

            • Blazer

               /  February 17, 2018

              not wanting politicians…’held to account’…you’re killing..me…’a Police matter you say….just be like Barclay…and refuse to talk to the…Police,or be like English and say…’didn’t know it was..a crime’

            • chrism56

               /  February 17, 2018

              Zedd – I thought you “have no further interest, in this matter” but then just a bit later you comment. Doh! As to leaving it to the appropriate Government Department without interest or comment, is that what you did with any allegations about National MPs? Or is it different when the left do it?
              And Metiria didn’t allegedly rip off the system – she did, unless we can’t take her at her word.

            • Zedd

               /  February 17, 2018

              @Chrism56

              WTF are you on about ?

              Metiria is no longer a politician.. end of story; Its WINZ issue now !!

            • chrism56

               /  February 17, 2018

              So on those grounds Zedd, you will never again mention John Key or Todd Barclay or Murray McCully? After all if you did, you would be just another hypocrite.

            • She’s a thief, she knew what she was entitled to as a sole parent, ( despite living with a partner for at least sme of the time). She admitted her theft and it’s a fact she was stealing from everybody who has ever contributed to government coffers.

              She deserves the full force of the law upon her

            • Zedd

               /  February 17, 2018

              @chrism56

              All those Natl ‘has-beens’.. 😀

              btw: I thought the days of ‘public lambasting’ & putting people in the stocks out in the square, for the public to throw rotten fruit at, was LOOOONG gone, just like the last Natl Govt.

            • robertguyton

               /  February 17, 2018

              You’re back in the Dark Ages when you visit here, Zedd!

  12. Blazer

     /  February 17, 2018

    same,same…perception..’Problem for Bennett is that the perception she was wrong will linger unless she makes a public statement that WINZ has cleared her,’

    • Gerrit

       /  February 17, 2018

      Totally agree and wait with bated breath for the revelations to be put before the public.

      It is in the public interest for those making the revelations to put substance to the claims.

      For not doing so it turns the public interest from Bennet to those making to claims.

      After how many years has no one (not even Winston Peters) substantiated the claims, when they are fully bought to the table, how much will they be believed?

      Public interest is fickle.

    • Gerrit

       /  February 17, 2018

      Blazer, cant reply to your comment above this one. You need to read my reply in context with Zedd comment. I want politicians held to account. Zedd wants them to hide in the bushes. Son, you must read the whole comment stream to keep up with the play. Your narrow focus means you never see the big picture.

      Your double dipper claim is so worn out it is thread bare. You cherry pick English problem and conveniently overlook the Greens one.

      Again you need to understand the total history of the housing allowance claims made by English, Turei and Delahunty .

      Worth a read for your information and better understanding

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/2930184/Greens-pay-back-double-dip-rent-error

      • Blazer

         /  February 17, 2018

        well Gerrit…I deplore …double standards…an M.P not prepared to co operate with the..Police,against one who makes a confession themselves…I know which is…worse.

    • High Flying Duck

       /  February 17, 2018

      You can’t be cleared when there is no charge against you Blazer.
      Have you stopped beating your wife?

      • Blazer

         /  February 17, 2018

        who said…’cleared’…Barclay said he had nothing to..hide,but refused to co operate with the NZ Police…you approve?

        • High Flying Duck

           /  February 17, 2018

          Blazer comment:
          .’Problem for Bennett is that the perception she was wrong will linger unless she makes a public statement that WINZ has cleared her,’

          Me:
          How can you be cleared when you aren’t charged with anything?

          Blazer:
          who said…’cleared’…Barclay said he had nothing to..hide,but refused to co operate with the NZ Police…you approve?

          The Blazer debating style in a nutshell.

          • Blazer

             /  February 17, 2018

            irrepressible and irresistible isn’t it…when you arbitrarily attempt to contour the discussion to suit…yourself.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  February 17, 2018

              Irredeemable and irritating more like.
              You are unable tot put up a coherent argument so throw in squirrels and move on.
              As you were. You can go back to…chortle…Paula…he he he…being deputy…snicker…of the opposition…guffaw…now.
              What a card.

            • Blazer

               /  February 17, 2018

              if you read the thread you would realise that Gerrit is the one who presented this argument…’’Problem for Metiria is that the perception she was wrong will linger unless she makes a public statement that WINZ has cleared her,’
              Now you can ask your wife beating question to him…unless of course you can outline the charges against Meteria…over to you smart guy.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  February 17, 2018

              What are you going on about Blazer? Gerrit is absolutely right. WINZ IS (or was) investigating Materia. She was in discussions with them having admitted it.
              You conflated that on to Paula who had anonymous internet trolls throw around accusations with no evidence, and who shut up pretty quickly when lawyers got involved.

            • Blazer

               /  February 17, 2018

              half baked,as usual…1-accuser was known to her and name was revealed,2-Meteria has not been charged,3-cease and desist lawyers letter meant media could not report on allegations.4-your ‘wife beating’ defence was not appropriate.

  13. Gerrit

     /  February 17, 2018

    Blazer, you have deflection down to a fine art. As I said before you need to read context my son. Your reading one line from a paragraph or more and spinning a line to suit your narrative. Learning anything?

    Turei admits she took money she was not entitled to (made a big song and dance about it). She has offered to mediate with WINZ to pay it back.

    Her silence on the payback is the perception she has not (payed it back). If WINZ decide she does not have to pay it back, she needs to make a public statement to that effect.

    Hence the perception she was wrong will linger. Simple really.

    • Blazer

       /  February 17, 2018

      no the point that the duck got his feathers ruffled about is….charges…’How can you be cleared when you aren’t charged with anything’…now as far as we know..Meteria has not been charged…yes?

      • Gezza

         /  February 17, 2018

        He should’ve stuck to the line that how can you be cleared when you haven’t publicly admitted to committing an offence in the mistaken belief that would win votes.

      • High Flying Duck

         /  February 17, 2018

        Semantics which ignore the point – as usual Blazer…oh look, a squirrel!

    • “Fine art” is a bit rich. I’d say “modus operandi”

      • Blazer

         /  February 17, 2018

        I deal in fact.You have already been exposed for spreading unsubstantiated …hearsay.

  14. robertguyton

     /  February 17, 2018

    Petty, unnecessary, vindictive thread Pete – one of your best – congratulations!!

    • Trevors_elbow

       /  February 17, 2018

      Frog blog beckons Robert, where wlfare cheating is probably applauded…. meanwhile a lot of the population think welfare fraud is a serious business…. you know stealing Robert… not to be condone when you have access to ample resoures thrugh your family an n laws familes

  15. robertguyton

     /  February 17, 2018

    Young, single Maori mother – get stuck in lads (and Traveller!), tally-ho!

    • High Flying Duck

       /  February 17, 2018

      Welfare fraud is OK if you’re Maori?
      Talk about the soft bigotry of low expectations.

  16. robertguyton

     /  February 17, 2018

    “Welfare fraud is OK if you’re Maori?”
    No-one said it was. Pete’s stirred up some muck here for no reason other than to feed his chihuahuas and my, how they yipped and yapped. A disgraceful display of gratuitous muck-raking, in my opinion.

    • PDB

       /  February 17, 2018

      Robert: ” other than to feed his chihuahuas and my, how they yipped and yapped.”

      You’re right – the fact you are so defensive over this matter & are posting furiously is very amusing.

    • High Flying Duck

       /  February 17, 2018

      Your lack of self awareness is truly breathtaking at times Robert. You fling the muck around at every opportunity and twist every topic into a tirade against “righties”.
      And yet when the hapless and corrupt Greens are brought up it’s tanties, spluttering and fulminating about bias.

  17. robertguyton

     /  February 17, 2018

    So, chihuahua pack, Pete asked the question:
    “Has Turei paid back the WINZ money?”
    You’ve all had long enough to apply your powerful minds to the question – what’s the answer?
    Clue: it’ll be yes or no. If by chance you can’t answer the simple question, you’ll know that Pete George posted for gratuitous reasons (feeding the hounds etc).

    • Corky

       /  February 17, 2018

      One day is an eternity on a political blog, eh, Robert. It was only yesterday you were having a ball. Crikey, it’s only February.

    • robertguyton

       /  February 17, 2018

      No one got an answer? Traveller? Gerrit? Trev? PDM?
      No one.

  18. robertguyton

     /  February 17, 2018

    Burn the witch! Burn the witch!

    • Gerrit

       /  February 17, 2018

      Why do you visit here if the chihuahua pack is so obnoxious to you?

      You a knight in shining armour for the Greens? or a Don Quixote tilting at windmills?

      Maybe time for a return of the greenfly? A marvel comic superhero?

      To smite out the chihuahua’s?

      • Blazer

         /  February 17, 2018

        as if he has to explain to you.The lynch mob mentality speaks volumes about the vindictive nature of…all you sore losers,always looking for a…victim.

        • robertguyton

           /  February 17, 2018

          Blazer cuts through the crap, like a lazer!

        • Gerrit

           /  February 17, 2018

          So you will starting your own blog to put wrong to right? (or left)

          The expression ‘if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen” springs to mind.

      • robertguyton

         /  February 17, 2018

        🙂

  19. robertguyton

     /  February 17, 2018

    I bet Pete’s happy! Grinnin’
    Shame, Mr George. Click-bait man.

    • Gezza

       /  February 17, 2018

      I dunno. Winz are so bloody tough on recovering money they discover people weren’t entitled to, or that even they themselves have overpaid, from people who’ve got hardly any money & can’t afford to fight them. Most of these cases would never come to anyone’s attention – but they wouldn’t nationally advertise they’d done it in the first place.

      Is this Metiria’s situation? Maybe it is nobody’s business now. But if she pops up again in some high paid or high profile role again, it will be. Because others have had to repay Winz, through deductions from benefits if they’ve no savings or other income.

      • Blazer

         /  February 17, 2018

        maybe Meteria lied about lying just to focus attention on…the matter.

        • Gezza

           /  February 17, 2018

          Maybe. That’s up to W&I & her & if necessary maybe a Court to decide.
          Do you think she did? Or should we just leave it here, pretty much everything else now having probably been said & the rest not really being much more than accusations & counter-accusations, ad infinitum?

          • Blazer

             /  February 17, 2018

            she has wrecked a long career….so has certainly paid a big price.

            • Gezza

               /  February 17, 2018

              Yes. And a lucrative one. And exposed her whanau to scrutiny & public dissection. I don’t think she lied about lying. I think she was on a trajectory to continue pulling traditional Labour voter support from beneficiaries & made a major miscalculation this would help. I don’t think she thought this through. But we don’t know what she was thinking, only what she said. What happened is history now.

            • PartisanZ

               /  February 17, 2018

              I spose Righties will go on shaking the ‘Turei Scandal’ carcass and chewing its bones for years to come … Like I do Rogerednomics and Ruthanasia …

              I know which of those has got the most meat Left on it, and the juiciest Marrow …

              Any political dog worth its salt is going to stay on the scent of what MPs did while they were sitting in Parliament … not as beneficiaries before they were elected to it …

  20. PartisanZ

     /  February 17, 2018

    I fully understand now why the national sport of this country is Rugby Union …

    Run, sidestep, tackle … ruck-and-maul … and scrum …

    • duperez

       /  February 17, 2018

      And when there’s someone who’s been penalised for being offside and you find them in the bottom of a ruck give them a good kicking. When they’ve submitted and are done in a bit of eye-gouging will really show them the error of their ways and make you feel so good.