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17 February 2018

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27 Comments

  1. Corky

     /  February 17, 2018

    Anyone suffering from vertigo and inner ear problems may benefit greatly from this technique. You usually go to a physio practices said technique. Those that aren’t after your dollar can show you how it may be done at home.

    It’s called the EPLEY PROCEDURE. People who want to sound important call it : Benign Paroxysmal Positional Vertigo Remedy.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  February 17, 2018

      A tourniquet around the neck is also very effective. Try this, Corky, and report back.

      • Corky

         /  February 17, 2018

        That was posted for people who may be ill. Some with this condition spend a lifetime on drugs with limited success. Unfortunately it cant cure people who are fuckwits.

        • PartisanZ

           /  February 17, 2018

          Ohhhhhhhhhhhh …… a cat fight!

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  February 18, 2018

          No, I can see that it can’t, but keep trying, you may succeed and be cured some day.

  2. Time for Ms Ardern to “Ease back on celebrifation” says Fran O’Sullivan.

    In this article she highlights the declared candidates for Natuonal leadership and says that Judith Collins is the only one taking it to Ardern

    ” Ardern can thank Judith Collins’ incisive political attack for reminding her of her biggest job: get on her game as Prime Minister.

    The media-endorsed “mother of the nation” celebrification — which has been wall-to-wall since Ardern announced her pregnancy — could (if she is not mindful) undermine her impact as NZ’s political leader.

    Opposition politicians have since tip-toed around Ardern. They have not wanted to be seen to land blows on a young pregnant woman who happens to be enormously relatable and popular.

    Most have played into the “generational change” meme without pointing out that the only reason we have a 37-year-old female Prime Minister is because a septuagenarian put her there.”

    “Others might have a problem taking on Ardern out of concern that they would look heavy-handed or be seen to pick on the young, pregnant woman.

    But Collins said: “I have been pregnant running a law firm and studying as well. As a young mum I understand exactly how tough it is to do that. But she understands that too.

    “That is not the role she’s asked New Zealanders to support her for.”

    I think Collins is the short term answer to National’s uphill battle against the celebrity world of Ms Ardern.

  3. Patzcuaro

     /  February 17, 2018

    Is this reality or fantast

    • Patzcuaro

       /  February 17, 2018

      Fantasy

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  February 17, 2018

        Grossly offensive, and sexist.

        • PartisanZ

           /  February 17, 2018

          Rod Emmerson should be stripped of the Knighthood he hasn’t got yet!

          • Corky

             /  February 18, 2018

            I hope your aren’t against Bill being knighted? After all, he kept you socialists in the lifestyle you were accustomed to.

            • PartisanZ

               /  February 18, 2018

              Oh yes Corky … all politicians who maintain the status-quo or advance the neoliberal agenda should get a *GONG* …

              The end justifies the means … Always …

            • Corky

               /  February 18, 2018

              Maybe Bill should have been a true Tory and given you Sweet FA. I’m sure you would beg for the status quo to be returned.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  February 18, 2018

            Well, he seems to go out of his way to be offensive sometimes.

        • Patzcuaro

           /  February 19, 2018

          Would it have been offensive and sexist if say Cameron Skater had been the subject?

          • Patzcuaro

             /  February 19, 2018

            Collins gloried in being called “Crusher” based on her car crushing legislation which turned out to be more fantasy than reality. But it implied she had more “balls” than those around her.

            Is she a team player or is it her way or the highway?

            • Patzcuaro

               /  February 19, 2018

              “Political cartoon, a drawing (often including caricature) made for the purpose of conveying editorial commentary on politics, politicians, and current events. Such cartoons play a role in the political discourse of a society that provides for freedom of speech and of the press. They are a primarily opinion-oriented medium and can generally be found on the editorial pages of newspapers and other journalistic outlets, whether in print or electronic form. Their subject matter is usually that of current and newsworthy political issues, and, in order for them to be understood, they require that readers possess some basic background knowledge about their subject matter, ideally that provided by the medium in which they are published.”

              https://www.britannica.com/topic/political-cartoon

          • Patzcuaro

             /  February 19, 2018
          • Kitty Catkin

             /  February 19, 2018

            Well, it was a man doing it, but it would have been offensive. If a woman had drawn it, then it would have been sexist.

  4. Corky

     /  February 17, 2018

    NZ News Wire closes. Fourteen Journos out of a job. Given the state of our media these guys may end up at McDonald’s.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018632101/nz-s-news-coverage-shrinks-as-agency-shuts-down

    • PartisanZ

       /  February 17, 2018

      The heading “Shrinking Footprint” pretty much describes not just this little ‘market rationalization’ but the whole entire economy you Righties wanted, obsessively, and forced upon everyone, Rightie or not …

      Should read, “Given the state of our social contract, our democracy … given the state of our State … these guys may end up at MacDonalds …

      Until ‘we’ collectively stand up against it and resist … it serves us Right …

      • Corky

         /  February 18, 2018

        I love how you create a manifesto out of mundane occurrences.

        • PartisanZ

           /  February 18, 2018

          Thanks Corky … I’m sure its not mundane for these employees … and it certainly isn’t mundane in terms of further limiting the ‘expanse’ of media coverage … which is already so limited as to be more-or-less a corporate elitist propaganda organ …

  5. PartisanZ

     /  February 17, 2018

    How should society be organised?

    https://philosophynow.org/issues/105/How_Should_Society_Be_Organised

    I know this for sure, my great-grandparents, grandparents and parents didn’t work very long and very hard so that we could work longer and more than they did …

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  February 18, 2018

      Why not? I hope my children and grandchildren get the same satisfaction from working and achieving goals as I do. I certainly don’t want them imprisoned in useless idleness.