Discussion on posting procedures

It may be worth having a discussion here about what sort of posts are appropriate, after a number of complaints about the content of posts.

Complaints include claims that:

  • some posts are boring,
  • that they raise political issues that some people disagree with,
  • they criticise politicians and ex politicians that some people think are beyond reproach,
  • that they encourage people to make comments that others disagree with or don’t like,
  • that media or other bloggers have been criticised or held to account,
  • that the posts don’t include every possible fact and angle about the topic.

Possible posting procedures:

  • Do a pre-post explaining what a future post will be about.
  • Allowing a period (1 day/1 week/1 month?) allowing objections or vetoes of the post.
  • All posts should avoid any possibility offending anyone on grounds of sexism, racism, religion or politics.
  • Any posts must include all related angles and material. This may be problematic, because posts about climate change and Donald Trump will be so long that some people might find them boring.
  • Allowing post-post appeals on content.
  • Removing any content that someone objects to.

This may result in a harmonious forum where everyone is happy and no one disagrees with anything.

Any suggestions on whether this should be a democratic basis (majority or super majority?), or a consensus basis, where posts are only published once a consensus has been reached?

The alternative is that I keep posting what I want to post, and people can agree with or argue against the content, they can by add information of interest or information supporting different views, and they can choose not to read what they are not interested in.

Some people have genuine objections to content – that is inevitable when discussion political and social issues.

However in my fairly extensive experience, objections to content are often attempts to manipulate content, to coerce not to talk about things they don’t want raised, and are attempts to shut down speech they don’t want aired in public, especially on politics.

They are also attempts to shut down criticism of others, and exposure of bad behaviour and dirty politics. This has been to the extent of extreme campaigns of disruption and chaos, and then trying to use legal action to shut the site down on the grounds it is ‘out of control’, and ongoing threats and implications of legal actions. This has increased my resolve to hold to account, and to promote the ideal of free speech with appropriate responsibilities.

I do listen to suggestions and complaints, but if someone moans about content they find politically unfavourable or unpalatable to them then I suggest they find something other than politics to involve themselves in.

If you want to go to a website where you won’t disagree with anything or where you won’t be annoyed or offended, then I suggest having your own blog, or trying this website.

53 Comments

  1. robertguyton

     /  February 19, 2018

    Do a post on Peter Dunne. And another on dopplegangers.

    • I’ve done posts on Peter Dunne in the past, but he’s no longer a politician so there is less of interest on him (he does have a say every now and then).

      Your sentence seems to be some sort of dig or criticism disguised as a suggestion. It looks a bit dirty to me – that’s my impression based on very limited details provided.

    • Gezza

       /  February 19, 2018

      Your suggestion for a post on dopplegangers is very obscure, Robert.
      Why not write & submit a guest post to Pete?

      • High Flying Duck

         /  February 19, 2018

        He’s insinuating PG is a Peter Dunne copy.

        I think I may lay a complaint to PG about it. It’s offensive.

        • robertguyton

           /  February 19, 2018

          No, no, High Flying; I’m crediting Pete with influencing Pete, not the other way round.

      • robertguyton

         /  February 19, 2018

        Submit? To Pete?
        NEVER !!!

        🙂

  2. nickreality65

     /  February 19, 2018

    Bunch of thin-skinned whiney snowflakes.

    If you can’t factually or logically back up your positions or refute other’s positons go away.

    Ignore the trolls.

    • PartisanZ

       /  February 19, 2018

      Blog is blog …. Reality is reality … This idea only leaves Trolls …

      Perfect reverse misinterpretation of what satire is compared to Bob Jones thinly disguised hate-speech …

      By comparison, Pete’s topic here is almost love speech … You’ve risen in my estimation nine-hundredfold from this one topic alone Sir Peter …

  3. Trevors_elbow

     /  February 19, 2018

    [I don’t want this post to become a rehash of old quibbles. PG]

    • Trevors_elbow

       /  February 19, 2018

      And yet Pete here is Robert.. wandering through the thread… doing his usual anyway…

      • robertguyton

         /  February 19, 2018

        True, Trevors_e – I’ll stop now.

        • Trevors_elbow

           /  February 19, 2018

          Meteria needs to front Robert after all she is still politically active is she not?… did she not promise to keep fighting for the poor and down trodden?

  4. Blazer

     /  February 19, 2018

    nutshell…’objections to content are often attempts to manipulate content, to coerce not to talk about things they don’t want raised’.

  5. David

     /  February 19, 2018

    I think you have it spot on PG. I think the person having a moan does it to deliberately needle and I think its a bit late for them to grow up, ironic as they support the party of polite engagement.

  6. Gezza

     /  February 19, 2018

    The alternative is that I keep posting what I want to post, and people can agree with or argue against the content, they can by add information of interest or information supporting different views, and they can choose not to read what they are not interested in.

    Having read your post, & considered the issues raised, & suggestions outlined, my feeling is that this is the best way forward from here.

    • robertguyton

       /  February 19, 2018

      Feelings, Gezza? You’re such a softy – we deal in hards facts here on YourNZ.

      • Gezza

         /  February 19, 2018

        Nonsense. Some of us are real softies at heart. Maybe not as soft as you. But still deeply emotionally moved by some issues.

        • robertguyton

           /  February 19, 2018

          You were “deeply moved” by Pete’s “Discussion on posting procedures” post?
          You really are a softy!

          • Gezza

             /  February 19, 2018

            No. Can you post me a link to the comment where I said that?

            On this matter I’m considering the post & commenting purely objectively. And wondering looking at the content of some of your comments whether you’re now often just trolling to disrupt discussions & views you don’t agree with?

            • robertguyton

               /  February 19, 2018

              “Having read your post, & considered the issues raised, & suggestions outlined, my feeling is that this is the best way forward from here.”
              (My bold).
              “And wondering looking at the content of some of your comments whether you’re now often just trolling to disrupt discussions & views you don’t agree with?”
              Are you? If I can help, just ask. If there’s a discussion around an issue presented (aside from the “Metiria” one – we’ve done that to death) that you feel 🙂 I’m trying to disrupt, jump right in and call me on it – I’m more than happy to help you decide one way or the other.

            • Gezza

               /  February 19, 2018

              Oh, I see. You’ve just accidentally deliberately misrepresented the contextual meaning of the term “my feeling”, as it is frequently vernacularly used, in my comment above, to indicate that that is my belief.

  7. Missy

     /  February 19, 2018

    Pete, it is your blog, you should post what you want. If there is anyone who doesn’t like what you post they have three choices, or a combination of three choices, or alternatively all three choices.

    They can:
    1. Ignore it, don’t read and don’t comment on the post
    2. Not come to your blog
    3. Start their own blog to write what they want to write and if it is what people want to read they will visit it.

    I don’t think you should change the way you post because someone – or more than one someone – wants to try and tell you what to post. NZ is not (as far as I am aware) a socialist dictatorship where only approved information gets written and published.

    • nickreality65

       /  February 19, 2018

      Yet.

    • robertguyton

       /  February 19, 2018

      “Pete, it is your blog”

      That’s profound.

      • Missy

         /  February 19, 2018

        And you are easily impressed if you think that is profound. Do some reading you might realise it wasn’t profound, just stating a fact.

        • Blazer

           /  February 19, 2018

          a right royal long day for you…Missy…you stated the…obvious.

  8. Blazer

     /  February 19, 2018

    there is always the 4th choice…the time honoured right way…hey ,we will give you money…to do things the way,we…want.

  9. High Flying Duck

     /  February 19, 2018

    Perhaps you should do a “Safe Space” post each day with comments disabled.
    That way, when the perennially offended get wound up by facts and logic that differ from their world view bubble they could go there and reflect on how wrong everyone is, and how no-one can get them in their safe space!

    • PDB

       /  February 19, 2018

      Don’t worry HFD, there already is one just for those people that just can’t handle the real world anymore;

      https://thestandard.org.nz/

      • phantom snowflake

         /  February 19, 2018

        I really hate to disagree with you (again) PDB, but The Standard hasn’t been much of a success as a “safe space” where female authors are concerned in recent years.

      • Mefrostate

         /  February 19, 2018

        Also: whaleoil.co.nz and kiwiblog.co.nz

        Filter bubbles & ideological echo chambers aren’t unique to the left

  10. Maggy Wassilieff

     /  February 19, 2018

    I look into Your NZ most days, but don’t feel a need to comment on each & every post.
    Your NZ has a rather small ensemble of commenters.

    • robertguyton

       /  February 19, 2018

      Harsh, Maggy – Pete, you’re doing a splendid job and your “crew” is top-notch!

  11. PartisanZ

     /  February 19, 2018

    LOL Pete!!! Now that is really excellent satire …unlike Sir Bob Jones’ NBR column.

    Spot the difference Righties!?

    Some really choice comedy on YourNZ this morning … That stuff about the OIA … hilarious … when we continue to have the bald-and-bare-faced audacity to call ourselves a ‘democracy’ … [Rolls on floor in paroxyisms of gut wrenching laughter …]

    • PartisanZ

       /  February 19, 2018

      Just read it again … I wasn’t wrong …

      “Removing any content that someone finds offensive”!!!

      Fuck that’s funny!

  12. Alan Wilkinson

     /  February 19, 2018

    Option A already exists for those who want it – on pretty much all the Lefty blogs.

    Cheers Pete.

    • Mefrostate

       /  February 19, 2018

      And the right-wing ones too. See: whaleoil.co.nz and kiwiblog.co.nz.

      Filter bubbles & ideological echo chambers aren’t a partisan failing, just human psychology.

      Your ceaseless attacks on the big bad capital-L “Left” continue to lack sense or meaning.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  February 19, 2018

        I hold no brief for WO but Kiwiblog does not remove content objected to or block comments for ideological reasons.

        • Mefrostate

           /  February 19, 2018

          Point stands.

          KB posters will relentlessly vote down anything that challenges their bubble anyway. I once got a comment hidden for objecting to the use of homosexual slurs to describen Robertson.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  February 19, 2018

            Must have been your usual charm, Mefro. However, even when comments attract enough down-votes to hide on KB you can still opt to see them.

            I’m happy to accept that WO is entirely on a par with the loony Left and no-one sensible should go there.

            • Mefrostate

               /  February 19, 2018

              Excellent, on that we agree. I usually don’t read Standard or DailyBlog. Reddit is probably KiwiBlog’s left-leaning parallel.

              Now we should try to figure out who’s the yang to your ying. Should be someone who can take any topic and turn it into an incessant whinges-on about how catch-phrases like “rich pricks”, “crony capitalism” and the “retarded Right” are ruining the country. I’d suggest PartisanZ as your mirror, but they usually add some value to the discussion.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 19, 2018

              With a bit more practice you could develop a sense of humour, Mefro. Keep at it.

            • Mefrostate

               /  February 19, 2018

              Yet despite all your practice, your political acumen is seriously lacking
              .
              You do make us laugh, at least. But you’re more court jester than biting wit.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 19, 2018

              One step forward, two steps back, Mefro. Bed calls.

            • Mefrostate

               /  February 19, 2018

              Rest easy old nemesis. Solid effort today.

  13. duperez

     /  February 19, 2018

    You walk into a school of 500 kids in a lunchtime and it’s a hive of activity. Some kids are chasing others, all loud and yelling, others are sitting quietly chatting.

    Someone is fascinated by the grace and lightness of a butterfly in its higgledy-piggledy flight while another has chased down and whacked a butterfly and is ripping its wings off.

    Games with obvious fun and laughter and challenge and dare are scattered through.
    Some you know could be your closest friends for life but rumpty nasty exchanges with words and bodies of others put them automatically on the ‘glad I don’t have to live with them’ list.

    Is the pollutant behaviour to determine the environment or the positive? The perennial problem of blog sites.

  14. Blazer

     /  February 19, 2018

    its the ‘davids dilemma’….’I never wanted to participate on a blogsite,that would allow someone like me…to post’.apologies to GM.

  15. Zedd

     /  February 19, 2018

    keep up the good work Pete.. if nothing else, it keeps many or us ‘amused/entertained’ 😀

  16. Mefrostate

     /  February 19, 2018

    Site is perfect as-is, Pete, including the perfect amount of moderator’s touch. Keep up the incredible work, and don’t hesitate to reach out if you need support.