Joyce makes it 5 leadership contenders

So that gives the National caucus five candidates to choose from for their next leader:

  • Judith Collins
  • Amy Adams
  • Simon Bridges
  • Mark Mitchell
  • Steven Joyce

Mitchell is just being interviewed by Duncan Garner. Some time has been spent on the Marriage Equality bill – Mitchell voted  against it. He explained that on conscience votes he goes to his electorate to get their views, polls the electorate, and votes according to the majority conscience of his electorate.

When pressed he made it clear he supports the Marriage Equality legislation and would personally vote for it. So that suggests he voted against his own conscience and for what he thought his electorate preferred.

RNZ on Joyce:

Steven Joyce has confirmed he is in the mix to be the next National Party leader.

Mr Joyce said last week he had been canvassing support among the caucus and party members before deciding whether to take a tilt.

He was National’s campaign manager and a Finance Minster in the previous government.

So not much other than confirmation that he has joined the contest so far. I think Joyce is very capable and astute, and speaks well, but represents ‘same old’ for the National Party, risking being stuck in the past, by perception  at least.

Update:  Joyce confirms National leadership tilt

Steven Joyce has this morning confirmed he will contest the National Party leadership.

Joyce told Newstalk ZB’s Mike Hosking he would become the fifth candidate to replace Bill English.

Joyce said he had lots of colleagues and regular New Zealanders telling him to put his name forward.

“My view is it has always been about the National Party, it’s not about me personally.”

Joyce trusted that he would have support in caucus.

“There are some people that are going to absolutely support you and some people that will probably support you, it all depends on how it goes out.”

Joyce believed the race was more important than any individual.

“It’s all about the future of New Zealand. It’s not about me,” he told Hosking.

“I worry about the current crowd. I don’t think they have a plan and where they have got a plan it will take us backwards.”

“It’s time to step up, if I believe in what I do believe in.”

Joyce called the generational change argument “entertaining” – and noted that there was only 15 years between the five candidates for leader.

Joyce said he got on well with rival candidates Simon Bridges, Judith Collins, Amy Adams and Mark Mitchell – and said that they would all bring different strengths to the role.

He would probably do ok, but National need more than ok, they need to forge a new future for the party.

55 Comments

  1. Gezza

     /  February 20, 2018

    Nobody believes anything Steven says. No show.

    • PDB

       /  February 20, 2018

      No chance but had to run in order to be relevant post-decision.

  2. Alan Wilkinson

     /  February 20, 2018

    Adams Joyce the safe option? Don’t see them being much of a threat to Labour.

    • Blazer

       /  February 20, 2018

      thats the combo,that will prevail imo.Test their popularity over the next… 18 months.

    • PDB

       /  February 20, 2018

      I think it will be Adams-Mitchell or Collins-Mitchell. Neither one ideal.

  3. Corky

     /  February 20, 2018

    Joyce? He’s not leadership material. Competence doesn’t always swing voters. Jacinda’s baby is a case in point.

    • Gezza

       /  February 20, 2018

      Ridiculous. Hasn’t even been born yet. Might be very competent at being a baby. Nobody would make it PM or Labour Party leader yet.

  4. robertguyton

     /  February 20, 2018

    Excellent!

    • Yes, it is excellent that so many National MPs are willing to put themselves forward for leadership of the party. That’s a varied choice and is a sign that National is having a good look at where they want to head, and under whose leadership.

      • Blazer

         /  February 20, 2018

        amazing contrast with the last leadership contest.Anyone would think that one was stage…managed.

      • robertguyton

         /  February 20, 2018

        Your very supportive/defensive of National, Pete!

        • Corky

           /  February 20, 2018

          Pete’s just enjoying a true leadership process after watching Andy crash and burn. You may not realise it, Robert, but you are witnessing why National was in power so long – stability and order.

          • robertguyton

             /  February 20, 2018

            Really, Corky? All these pretenders to the throne, jostling, pushing, shoving (behind the scenes – you know they are 🙂 Is this how National does it?
            Why then, was there no-one putting up their hands when Key fled the scene? Bill seemed to slide in there completely unopposed! Shame though, he didn’t last long…

        • I support healthy democracy, no matter which party is involved. I have supported the Green leadership contest too, something you haven’t made snide comments about.

          • Made snide comments about the Green leadership contest, Pete?
            Of course not! What could anyone say against those delightful candidates???
            Here, otoh, we have Collins (shiver), Joyce (arrrgh!) Bridges (ewwww!) et al – a motley crew if ever there roiled one! I almost feel sorry for Righties at the moment, it’s a tasteless mess of potage on their menu and no hope at all of anything that might sustain. Still, you did have that pumped-up, sugar-high for 9 years. Time now for some austerity for the Nats; watered-down drinks, Belgium sandwiches and bread-and-butter pudding for the Keyless Krew.

            • Richard

               /  February 20, 2018

              More feral and unhinged comments

            • Brilliant comment, Richard. [Deleted – don’t attribute things to others with no evidence. PG] So erudite!

              [I’m not sure why some of your comments are going into spam, it is an automatic function of WordPress. I suspect this looks a lot like spam – glowing praise but no relevant substance to the comment. PG]

  5. With Joyce and Mitchell entering the contest there’s likely to be another onslaught of posts on Whale Oil again today.

    First indications seem to confirm what I suspected, Judith Collins is Slate’s only candidate of positive interest, the rest look likely to be targets of his smear campaign, including Mitchell. The 8:p00 post at WO:

    That means trouble for the status quo candidates Mark Mitchell and Amy Adams. It should also make Simon Bridges take stock, that virtue-signalling about Maori won’t work either. The only candidate who can stop Labour’s juggernaut is Judith Collins.

  6. robertguyton

     /  February 20, 2018

    There’s a far-more iconic photo of Joyce you could have used for your post, Pete.
    Instant recognition!

    • I don’t do dirty politics Robert.

    • Gezza

       /  February 20, 2018

      “The dildo tosser was Christchurch nurse Josie Butler, who yelled: “That’s for raping our sovereignty”. She was then taken away … ”

      Interesting description. She objected to the signing of the TTPA.

      • Gezza

         /  February 20, 2018

        * TPPA, aka the CPTPPA – the TPPA, with a few suspended provisions.

  7. Blazer

     /  February 20, 2018

    NZH…guess who…’COMMENT: Without Joyce the Nats’ leadership was a good contest – now it’s no contest.’

  8. Zedd

     /  February 20, 2018

    Joyce maybe seen as ‘Mr Fixit’ but he does not look like ‘Mr Leader’

    Judith is top of this list.. sounds about right

    • duperez

       /  February 20, 2018

      I can picture it now, the Dream Team in Taipa, the Leader Steven cutting the ribbon to open the new two lane bridge with Deputy Simon handing him the scissors. 🙂

      • PartisanZ

         /  February 20, 2018

        Big assumption there duperez. Do you seriously think the Taipa bridge will be finished in nine-or-ten years time? And, if it is, that either Steven or Simon will be in leadership roles by then?

    • Zedd

       /  February 20, 2018

      I still maintain the next 1-3 ‘leaders’ will likely not be the one, standing in 2020..
      All the talk of a ‘united party’ was just total bluff/bluster.. ‘FAKE news’ for the media.
      all on the list are just ‘keyite hasbeens’.. they need to look/move forward

  9. Blazer

     /  February 20, 2018

    who will take on Snow White’….bashful,dopey,sleezy,grumpy ,and sleepy have declared,waiting on…Doc and Happy.

    • Ha! That’s lovely Blazer – mind if I quote you elsewhere?

    • Gezza

       /  February 20, 2018

      Aw come on.
      Snow White – Jacinda
      Bashful – Andrew
      Dopey – Willie
      Sleazy – Shane
      Grumpy – Winston
      Sleepy – Wotsisname – the Defence Minister.

      • Gezza

         /  February 20, 2018

        Doc – Dave Parker
        Happy – Grant.

        • Blazer

           /  February 20, 2018

          Doc is Dr Coleman who put his hand up last time,and ‘Happy’ is Bennett,happy to remain as deputy leader.(the moneys…good).

      • Gezza

         /  February 20, 2018

        * Sleepy – Ron Mark. (Sorry, for some reason I can honestly never remember his blimmin name. (The “little lackey guy” pops into my head straight away, & I can see him running around at RSA talking on his cellphone trying to find out where Winston is, but I can never remember his bloody name!)

  10. robertguyton

     /  February 20, 2018

    Pete – have you put me in moderation?

  11. robertguyton

     /  February 20, 2018

    “Can you sum up your leadership in one word? “Strong leadership”. That’s two… “Um, ok, leadership” – Mark Mitchell”
    Classic!

  12. robertguyton

     /  February 20, 2018

    “David Fisher said this about Mitchell in 2014:

    That was early 2012. In Dirty Politics, it is alleged that during the previous election, Slater was working with political adviser Simon Lusk to swing a National Party candidate selection to pick his man.

    That was the Rodney electorate and his man was Mark Mitchell, the former dog handler turned private guard who enjoyed enthusiastic backing from Slater through his Whale Oil blog which highlighted only the negative aspects of his opponents.”

    • Blazer

       /  February 20, 2018

      Michell’s campain…will be ..’relentlessly…negative’.

  13. Slater’s smeared through this party like a squished bug.

  14. adamsmith1922

     /  February 20, 2018

    As National come to grips with being in Opposition the words of Willie Whitelaw come to mind
    https://adamsmith.wordpress.com/2018/02/17/a-thought-for-national-mps-as-they-consider-the-contenders-for-leader/

  15. robertguyton

     /  February 20, 2018

    “Today’s news that the $11.7 billion Dollar maniac Steven Joyce has now entered the race for the top job for the National Party has really made this Political Party look so desperate now

    Joyce even has Mike Hoskings coming out to support him!!!!!!@#$%^&*()_+.

    This as we see in today’s latest Colman Brunton political poll shows Labour at a new high as the most preferred party at a whopping 48% popularity.

    The old tired national Party are again slipping down their greasy pole now down to 43% .

    So we see a collapse of the national Party really coming home to roost after they sold most of the country’s assets to offshore investors.

    So their work was done; – and there is no further use for them at all now.

    So “good riddance to bad rubbish” as National slips under the waves”

    • Is that a quote or is part of it a quote? If so you should provide a source link.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  February 20, 2018

      If National is slipping down the pole your Greens are squashed pulp at the bottom, Robert. Welcome to three years of being walked over.

  16. robertguyton

     /  February 20, 2018

    “Dirty Politics‏ @DirtyPoliticsNZ

    Back by popular demand! The #DirtyPoliticsNZ chapter about Mark Mitchell has been made available for free at http://dirtypoliticsnz.com . Some people have short memories, it seems.

    https://dirtypoliticsnz.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/dirty-politics_p55-67.pdf
    Hat-tip, weka@TS

    • It’s dirty if it’s not true. There’s at least part of the story you don’t seem to remember – Mitchell has claimed some of that at least is false, and was not approached by Hager at all to try and verify any of it. Are you sure of the veracity of the accusations?

      The National MP says he is considering taking a defamation case after the September 20 election.

      “Someone needs to be held accountable,” he said.

      Hager’s book is based extensively on emails between National Party people and right wing commentators, especially Whale Oil blogger Cameron Slater and political strategist Simon Lusk.

      Mitchell said none of his own emails feature.

      The section where he features is “full of speculation and misrepresentation”, he said.

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10429236/MP-considers-legal-action-against-Nicky-Hager

      • chrism56

         /  February 20, 2018

        PG It is very interesting to compare and contrast Robert’s comments now with how he berated you a few days back about Metiria not paying back WINZ. Would it be to strong to say his behavior shows hypocrisy?

        • It could be worse than hypocrisy. Turei admitted breaking the law and promised to pay back anything she shouldn’t have been paid due to her deceptions.

          Mitchell strongly denied the accuracy of Dirty Politics, and Hager never checked his side of the story.

          I’m not trying to defend Mitchell, I am defending due process.

      • robertguyton

         /  February 20, 2018

        “The National MP says he is considering taking a defamation case after the September 20 election.”
        And…did he?

        • Corky

           /  February 20, 2018

          No, on second thoughts I assume Mitchell decided Hager had made a prat of himself, he’d become yesterdays news and few people really cared…apart from fanatics.

  17. Patzcuaro

     /  February 21, 2018
  18. Patzcuaro

     /  February 21, 2018